curious, is there a need for subject head discipline then?

of course not.

With YHs and AYHs around why still need SH/Discipline?

job creation

Hi May I check if there is any new policy to slower promotion and also appointment of position holder?

Who knows how many months PB for C,C+,B and A?

First year in service?

There is a range for each perf grade, the range varies from year to year based on govt guidelines, and also varies from school to school. Your exact PB quantum will also depend on whether you are a "high C" or a "low C", there will be a difference too.

C tends to be around 1.3 to 1.8, C+ up to 2.2ish, B up to ~2.75, A up to ~3.5ish for GEO grades. But it could change. If the economic performance is bad, the cap could be lower.

Lol the people who are privy to the exact policy changes are not at liberty to discuss this in detail anonymously on an online forum.

Just open your eyes and observe.

in other words, I don’t know.

What is the requirement to be a cce specialist teacher? Any minimum geo rank?

Good luck to you, looking at students' profiles nowadays.

Sad to see teachers here talking about promotions and positions blah blah blah. In reality, there are already shortage of teachers and no one wanna join the teaching positions. Some schools are employing as many as 15 FAJTs or even more due to this shortage. If this goes on, I don't know what's the reality of the education landscape in Singapore. I also have seen many good teachers just drop the towel and leave the service.

If that was true, MOE would have raised teacher's pay, they have not done that since 2015.

i doubt there's shortage of teachers.

Based on MOE's own definition...There is no shortage of teachers.

But for those fighting the battles on the ground...They see a whole different picture lol.

But you are also right. Many good and promising young teachers are leaving and I support their decision. There is no point in slogging and grinding so much for a system which does not take care of a teacher's health. And look at the emotional weight and expectations from the current profile of students and parents. Not forgetting some very selfish colleagues or KPs too. For those who leave, they will definitely find a better working life out there :)

Passion can only go this far. Think more about your own health and happiness instead :)

Yep. Schools are merging, there cannot be a shortage of teachers, more like excess teachers.

N it’s not just about raising salary across the board too.

Raising salary will only attract ppl who are in it for the money, not good teachers with passion

They should think of how to make the system more fair, as well as how to better support teachers in terms of admin work, giving teachers proper guidance n equal opportunities. Make every teacher feel appreciated n feel that the system is fair

It depends on which school you are in.

In one school in Sengkang, those teaching Chinese, they have only about 20 students on average in each classroom. For other teachers taking other subjects, it’s always full class.

So it depends on how the P wants it. No such thing as not enough teachers. Rather, it’s the school which sets itself up for failure.

there's no such thing as not enough teachers la. Sec schs are merging, most of them move to hq or pri schools, how is it not enough?

And its not about raising salaries etc. If they keep increasing salary, those who are burnt out/ discouraged will still resign n worse still, it will just attract the wrong pple to join teaching with the wrong mindset.

Rather, they should dive in deeper to find out what are the challenges teachers are facing, give teachers equal opportunities, try to develop each officer so that all of them have a path, reduce mindless admin work, try to be fair in the system, for e.g pe art music teachers are really having easy time compared to acad subject teachers, is there a way to balance it out? n the list goes on.....

So observe. The answers that you will get on this forum are no better than speculation based on anecdote, i.e., no better than what you can see with your own eyes and the sharing that you may get from your older colleagues.

ribbish. ppl here at the best in their field

ground perspectives
 

Things can be complicated on the ground, different schools have different profiles, therefore have their own strength and areas of improvement.

However, schools do have their quotas on no. of teachers they can have for each IP so it is unfair to make any judgements based on one school's experience.

Lunar New Year is coming, so chill folks.

No min rank. It’s up to schools to nominate.

I know performance does not equate to CEP, but does consistent above average performance help?

most likely.

but i know of ex colleague who had couple of Bs and C+s but got promoted slower than another ex colleague who had C- before n mostly Cs.

I think it is still pretty subjective n dependent on how the school leaders n KPs perceive your potential.

Yes, but there is a soft ceiling. Consistent above average performance will help you if you aspire to be a middle manager, like a HOD. However, if you aspire to become a Director, it is much easier if you are a scholar in the first place.

By right if there is no teachers leaving at the same time. During this pandemic, the landscape on the ground changes.

My wife used to envy my teaching job because I sometimes enjoy half day work, i.e come back after 1pm or so.

Now, with WFH becoming a norm for other industries, I think the teaching job has become comparatively worse. =)

why need to envy, it was nvr gd

Exactly, even if I leave school at 2pm, it is not without a bag of marking.
Teaching is definitely not a half day job.

Teaching has never been an end by 1 pm, esp if you're in sec sch with all the CCAs, meetings, consultations, etc. etc.

Recently during pandemic, my husband who is now FAJT in his old school saw tremendous changes. Old timer teachers suddenly resign, and the attrition rate also increases. Some of his colleagues who went for cross-level deployment also quit. He receives a lot of offers to teach in schools in Dec, as well as mid-January this year. He is pretty dedicated to his old school so he just stays there. He is feeling a bit down when he saw empty tables in his school where his friends used to be.

As stated, if teaching was never that good, as some people say here, it has become comparatively even worse now, with other professions being able to work from home, while teachers have no options on that.

So not a surprise your husband saw "tremendous changes".

It was worse for him during the pandemic. It is unrealistic to conduct a proper lesson in front of 30++ students. I can see from afar some of them not paying attention. In terms of teaching, he feels better to be in classroom compared to Zoom.

Teaching is really a calling. Important to be more empathetic amongst the teaching fraternity.

Agreed with you my secondary school in the east also has many colleagues leaving. Have wanted to leave. But can’t bear to leave behind the perks of seeing so many students zao geng panty everyday. Have been seeing it for the past 10 years. If I change job that is probably what I will miss the most.

its a choice everyone has to make. not easy to find a balance.

Always curious about people using this phrase "Teaching is really a calling".

Does that somehow justify low pay, poor working conditions etc for teachers?

Perhaps if we dropped this cliche statement, the life of teachers will start to improve?

parents are a key contributor to all these..

It’s a very pathetic situation where the higher-ups only care about scholars (and higher-ups are also scholars themselves), but left with farmers grinding and exploited with little returns.

morale of the story: dont be a specialist where job mobility becomes issues

The worst one is still "if so unhappy then leave service, there are many people queueing up to join".

So it's okay to perpetuate the shabby treatment of the bulk of the non-scholar, non-privileged teaching force.

Nowadays the service is so ‘cold’. When you submit resignation, HR processes it so fast like you never existed.