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JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher 21-03-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130520)
Will fresh NIE PGDE tcrs or Geo 2 receive PB? Seniors told us they got it last yr in March when they just started teaching after practicum the same year.

Yes. It depends on how much of the 2019 calendar year you have worked. I'm guessing you're posted in June? So probably you will get a pro-ration of 50%. i.e. if you get default C (between 1.25 to 2 months), then your total bonus will be 50% of that value

JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher 21-03-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130528)
Got the lowest PB in my entire career. C - 1.5.

Was promoted last year and had maternity leave too. Am wondering is that a "default grade"?

My RO said I was performing well during my year end work review, so I was actually expecting a higher quantum.

It is default cos of promotion. Maternity leave shouldn't affect unless you took your own NPL after. 1.5 - 2 is what majority of the teachers will get

fluke1976 21-03-2020 10:05 AM

Hi all,
I wonder if two years of B grade will result in promotion? Or it does not work this way?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130527)
MX 9. B 6mths

An MX9 surfs these forums? :)

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher (Post 130535)
It is default cos of promotion. Maternity leave shouldn't affect unless you took your own NPL after. 1.5 - 2 is what majority of the teachers will get

The last time I got promoted I got C+ - 2.5 (in school A)

When I had my first round of maternity leave 3 years ago, my grade for that year was also a C+ (2.75) (in HQ)

I served in school B in 2019. So I wonder how come there's so much difference in quantum

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fluke1976 (Post 130540)
Hi all,
I wonder if two years of B grade will result in promotion? Or it does not work this way?

It's not automatic. Depends on other factors like vacancy and quota

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130543)
It's not automatic. Depends on other factors like vacancy and quota

And of course the all-important CEP

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher (Post 130533)
Yes. It depends on how much of the 2019 calendar year you have worked. I'm guessing you're posted in June? So probably you will get a pro-ration of 50%. i.e. if you get default C (between 1.25 to 2 months), then your total bonus will be 50% of that value

I see. 2019 still doing PGDE. Just ended practicum. So newly posted BTS fresh from NIE wonít be getting any then.

fluke1976 21-03-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130544)
And of course the all-important CEP

Thanks guys for the information.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130520)
Will fresh NIE PGDE tcrs or Geo 2 receive PB? Seniors told us they got it last yr in March when they just started teaching after practicum the same year.

No.. Who told you that? I finished practicum last Mar and became a full-fledged geo2 in Apr. Didn't get any pb..

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:30 AM

First time getting bonus.. Geo 2 C+ 1.65.. Is this normal? Quantum seems to be in the low side..

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130547)
No.. Who told you that? I finished practicum last Mar and became a full-fledged geo2 in Apr. Didn't get any pb..

There should be. Prorated

Unregistered 21-03-2020 11:14 AM

Don't give inaccurate information.

If you were in training for the work year (i.e. still in NIE), you do not get a prorated PB because you are 1) not fully trained and 2) there is no work contribution to be appraised on or given bonus for.

When you get posted into a school, i.e. Apr 2019. And have worked as a full fletched teacher from Apr - Dec 19. You will get a PB for that year and ur sch can decide whether to appraise u or give u a default C. This bonus is prorated (i.e. u won't get the full 1.5 months (if C), but only 3/4 of it since u worked only 3/4 of the year)

JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher 21-03-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130542)
The last time I got promoted I got C+ - 2.5 (in school A)

When I had my first round of maternity leave 3 years ago, my grade for that year was also a C+ (2.75) (in HQ)

I served in school B in 2019. So I wonder how come there's so much difference in quantum

Your C quantum is considered pretty high. I know of Bs getting 2.75 also.

I'm guessing it is due to a few reasons.

School A which you have served in earlier, either the school leaders decide the quantum differently, or you are more recognised for your achievements.

School B, since 2019 is your first year, it could be because of that. Or the school leaders might allocate the quantum differently as compared to school A.

The trend is that, the more Senior/Lead or experienced teachers there are in the higher grades, highly likely the bulk of the money goes there. This has been verified across multiple schools for a number of years (i.e. School X with a proper hierachy of teachers from 0-5 years all the way to 25-30 years in service, the C quantums are low. As compared to School Y with majority 10 - 15 years and 0-10 years, the C quantums will be higher). I have been exploring and cross-referencing to see if there is a fixed formula. But it seems pretty much just the school board allocates then just clear with the cluster superintendent.

JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher 21-03-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130545)
I see. 2019 still doing PGDE. Just ended practicum. So newly posted BTS fresh from NIE wonít be getting any then.

If you were doing PGDE for the entire 2019 then no, as you are still considered a trainee under NIE so nothing to 'perform' in school duties. If you have just ended practicum in March 2020, means next year PB you will be getting. Presuming you continue working from April onwards, you will get the pro-rated 75% of your performance bonus in 2021 for the work and performance this year

fluke1976 21-03-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher (Post 130554)
If you were doing PGDE for the entire 2019 then no, as you are still considered a trainee under NIE so nothing to 'perform' in school duties. If you have just ended practicum in March 2020, means next year PB you will be getting. Presuming you continue working from April onwards, you will get the pro-rated 75% of your performance bonus in 2021 for the work and performance this year

Yes my good friend who did NIE last year just sms me he has no PB.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 12:17 PM

Any stat boards recieved their PB grading and quantum?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 01:24 PM

GEO 3: c+ 2.2 months last year
GEO3: c+ 2 months this year

Unregistered 21-03-2020 02:04 PM

MX11A, 'B', 3 months

Unregistered 21-03-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130569)
MX11A, 'B', 3 months

they definitely reduced the quantum this year.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 03:29 PM

MX 11A, B, 3.5 mth

Unregistered 21-03-2020 04:16 PM

GEO4, B, 2.75

Was 2.1 for C+ last year.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 04:21 PM

Mx 11 C 2 mths. I was expecting 1.75. Or is 2 normal. Means mx 11 C+ is 2.5? And B is 3?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 05:04 PM

Odd. Those saying lower quantum...

I got higher than last year for the same grade. What gives?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 06:17 PM

Performance bonus 2020
 
The lowest PB in my 7-year career...
C - 1.25

fluke1976 21-03-2020 06:30 PM

Hi guys,
Just wondering who actually gets A? I heard from wife there might only be one teacher in a cluster. And if get A, it is sure promotion of course.
Is that true? Just curious.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fluke1976 (Post 130598)
Hi guys,
Just wondering who actually gets A? I heard from wife there might only be one teacher in a cluster. And if get A, it is sure promotion of course.
Is that true? Just curious.

Not true. More than one teacher in my school get A & it is not equivalent to promotion either

Unregistered 21-03-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fluke1976 (Post 130598)
Hi guys,
Just wondering who actually gets A? I heard from wife there might only be one teacher in a cluster. And if get A, it is sure promotion of course.
Is that true? Just curious.

For my 2 promotions within 6 years. My grades were just C.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 08:34 PM

I got C+ last year, and B+ this year. Got promoted to MX11 this year.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 08:36 PM

pro-rated PB of 1.5 months... (i should be glad that at times like this, i am still getting a bonus lol)

Unregistered 21-03-2020 09:03 PM

What is the quantum range for each subgrade for teachers?
Like GEO3- Mininum to max number of months of pb
GEO4, GEO5 ?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fluke1976 (Post 130540)
Hi all,
I wonder if two years of B grade will result in promotion? Or it does not work this way?

No broo.. i got back to back B before.. no promotion.. watever it is.. never offend ur bosses in CS.. and ur path up is clear.. i learn to be a YES man after knowing that is what my boss like..

Unregistered 21-03-2020 10:58 PM

Anyone has news on your increment yet?

Unregistered 21-03-2020 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130587)
Mx 11 C 2 mths. I was expecting 1.75. Or is 2 normal. Means mx 11 C+ is 2.5? And B is 3?

From exp, 2 mths for c at Mx 11 is normal. C+ is 2.5, but B is 3.5.

Unregistered 21-03-2020 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130530)
The civil service should not be getting bonuses while the rest of the nation faces uncertain futures. Abit tone deaf to faunt your bonuses here. So much for being "people-centric"!

Don't be sour grapes lah. Join CS if u buay song lah. Don't like what u read why come here? Just because businesses suffer so CS also got to suffer by denying us of PB? Which world do u live in?

Unregistered 22-03-2020 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130624)
Don't be sour grapes lah. Join CS if u buay song lah. Don't like what u read why come here? Just because businesses suffer so CS also got to suffer by denying us of PB? Which world do u live in?

CS salary is supposed to be pegged to private sector salary, so what's wrong if CS cut bonuses during recession? Jiak liao bee.

Unregistered 22-03-2020 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130630)
CS salary is supposed to be pegged to private sector salary, so what's wrong if CS cut bonuses during recession? Jiak liao bee.

Ya, we jiak liao bee better than u bo bee jiak

Unregistered 22-03-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130630)
CS salary is supposed to be pegged to private sector salary, so what's wrong if CS cut bonuses during recession? Jiak liao bee.

Our bonuses already cut during Dec 2019 already what. Isnít this people centric enough? You are from private sector you pay income tax, we CS workers also pay income tax leh. Itís not like we didnít need to pay a single cent. Please be clear of that!

This performance bonuses the management already decided way before Covid happened.. Not that I am spreading false news but we have to mentally prepare for that since economy is not thriving that maybe we wouldnít have bonuses during July and Dec 2020 Like that you satisfied ma?

Just to remind you that we CS people are humans too. Donít spread negativity and hostility amidst the sad situation now. Our common enemy is Covid 19 not own people la! You should blame it on the virus if you donít have any bonuses.

Unregistered 22-03-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130630)
CS salary is supposed to be pegged to private sector salary, so what's wrong if CS cut bonuses during recession? Jiak liao bee.


The unfortunate truth is that they need to retain talent. If not, many will join the private sector, and people like you may have nothing to eat.

Unregistered 22-03-2020 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 130637)
The unfortunate truth is that they need to retain talent. If not, many will join the private sector, and people like you may have nothing to eat.

I am from the private sector so I would be as fair as I can here. They can have their bonuses and stuff because that is part of their pay package. It was clear when I joined the private sector that I have a much bigger ambition than what the CS can provide opportunity for (am in Banking) and honestly I hate the layers of reporting and appraisal.

Fast forward 10 years, I got to say, I had good times where the bonus is undeclared to the public and it is in the region of 6 to 10 months. I had my bad times where my entire unit was merged and 80% of my colleagues were released within days. I always know job security is never part of the equation for my job and businesses come and go.

I am actually happy that our government provided our CS with a good pay package and never shut down like our friends in US when there is a political deadlock. Those in the CS, no matter talented or not as claimed earlier, need to eat and cloth their families. They have taken the well travelled path with job security while the rest of us explore uncharted terrain and potentially gain Instant richness.

They are our brothers and sisters as well. My son and daughter go to school where they are taught well, I want the neighborhood safe with police presence, I want people to defend us 24/7 and Most recently, I want frontliners when the Covid 19 virus comes to our shore. The list goes on. They also deserve their pay for their hard work. Just that it was declared In public shouldnít make it a subject of hate for the rest of us. It has always been a choice. If you feel the public sector is all that wonderful, then go join them. I do have many colleagues who was from CS and was so happy that they managed to get out of CS. The grass may not always be greener on the other side. Each his best.


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