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Unregistered 30-11-2021 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192004)
The rate of progression for the MX and EO will be the same if all else are the same (e.g CEP and perf grade). You cannot compare the rate of progression without knowing all these variables.
1. Observation: promotions for EOs have visibly slowed down since around 2015

2. Assumption: EOs are unlikely to have faster promotion rates than MX pre-2015

3. Deduction: If #1 and #2 are true, then EOs likely have slower promotion rates than MX now

4. #3 is supported by anecdotal evidence on just how slow it takes for EOs to get promoted, even if they are confirmed KPs

Unregistered 30-11-2021 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 191981)
It maps as follows:

MX13 - GEO2
MX12 - GEO3
MX11 - GEO4/5
MX11A - SEO1
MX10 - SEO2/3

A quick comparison of progression rates shared in the teacher thread vs the civil service thread shows that it’s much faster to reach MX11 and GEO4.
If someone on the Mx scheme does not take up any KP/leadership role, he/she will max out at MX11?

Unregistered 30-11-2021 10:55 PM
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If someone on the Mx scheme does not take up any KP/leadership role, he/she will max out at MX11?
MX11 is the max level for teacher? What about the officer at MOE HQ?

Unregistered 30-11-2021 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192028)
1. Observation: promotions for EOs have visibly slowed down since around 2015

2. Assumption: EOs are unlikely to have faster promotion rates than MX pre-2015

3. Deduction: If #1 and #2 are true, then EOs likely have slower promotion rates than MX now

4. #3 is supported by anecdotal evidence on just how slow it takes for EOs to get promoted, even if they are confirmed KPs
If you are saying slowed down at higher levels due to the choke in pipeline then possibly yes. But if you are still within classroom teacher grades and/or have already been put on official KP position, then there is no reason why your promotion to Geo 4 would be stalled. This is unless you dont meet the perf grade requirement.

Unregistered 30-11-2021 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192032)
If someone on the Mx scheme does not take up any KP/leadership role, he/she will max out at MX11?
Nope, MX11A

Unregistered 01-12-2021 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192054)
Nope, MX11A
Similar to teachers at geo5

Unregistered 01-12-2021 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192092)
Similar to teachers at geo5
GEO5 is MX11 not 11A

Unregistered 02-12-2021 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192042)
If you are saying slowed down at higher levels due to the choke in pipeline then possibly yes. But if you are still within classroom teacher grades and/or have already been put on official KP position, then there is no reason why your promotion to Geo 4 would be stalled. This is unless you dont meet the perf grade requirement.
Confirmed KPs have to be GEO4. What's puzzling is that there are confirmed KPs who consistently meet the requirements of their jobscope but are still stuck at GEO4. There is indeed no reason for a KP who meets expectations to be stuck at GEO4, since the establishment grade is at least SEO1. But it happens. Why? Well, I'm not from HR.

Unregistered 02-12-2021 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192042)
If you are saying slowed down at higher levels due to the choke in pipeline then possibly yes. But if you are still within classroom teacher grades and/or have already been put on official KP position, then there is no reason why your promotion to Geo 4 would be stalled. This is unless you dont meet the perf grade requirement.
Slowing down promotions (without service-wide salary adjustments) is a stupid way to alleviate a choke in the pipeline. You just end up with higher attrition rates at the lower end, which ironically worsens the problem.

The genuinely good & talented ones don't need to think twice about leaving because they can easily enjoy much better progression outside instead of getting more and more responsibilities every year in teaching, but sluggish promotion.

Unregistered 02-12-2021 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 192256)
Slowing down promotions (without service-wide salary adjustments) is a stupid way to alleviate a choke in the pipeline. You just end up with higher attrition rates at the lower end, which ironically worsens the problem.

The genuinely good & talented ones don't need to think twice about leaving because they can easily enjoy much better progression outside instead of getting more and more responsibilities every year in teaching, but sluggish promotion.
Fully agree.


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