If you quit, don't look back liao. Everything will reset if you come back.

If you still see a future in MOE, you shouldn't resign yet.

Just gotten my promotion to GEO4 in this year promotion exercise. male and in my early 30s and non-scholar. not thinking to be a chiongster and very happy with my workload, school culture and colleagues. was thinking to apply for OPE this year but was persuaded to stay on by RO and P. anyway there's no push factor for me to leave my current school and the only reason i could think of leaving is that potential school closer to my current house.

anyway, wanted to ask if it is true that if an officer just got promoted, regardless of the things he/she does in that year, the next year when PB comes will definitely be a C grade? I was an organizer for several school events for this year, main IC for my CCA and also involve with committee work.

No, it is not a requirement to give C after promotion. At GEO grades I was getting at least C+ (if not B) for work done in promotion years. It was only after promotion to SEO1 that I got my first C, lol.

to be frank, for a teacher to get D grade, means the SLs and HODs perception of that officer is v v jialat liao, means unlikely they will change their impression of that officer. which means that officer is tio mark n is just a sitting duck waiting for the sch management to slowly force that officer to leave.

the only option left is to change sch but chances are the new school's SLs will know about the D grade as well.

So, the only option left is actually to quit.

actually, to a certain extent, that may not be true also. cause if the D person stays, then they do not need to find someone else to fill the quota

No. It will not reset.

A colleague who returned told me it would be carried on from the point you left ie. your last pay, like you hadn’t left.

I was thinking of quitting every day for 7 years. First 3 years didn’t dare to think because I didn’t have the money to pay the bond. Lol! Just waiting for something to push me off the cliff. Friends around me quit between 3 to 5 years. Very few lasted more than 1 did. Eventually, a parental complaint pushed me off.

What if you worked outside for a couple of years and your pay went up by quite a bit.

from what i've heard, the salary remains the same at where you left, but number of years in service will be reset (which will delay future progression)

if thats the case and you step back and look at the big picture, it means that you are already doing well outside (progression outside is definitely faster). would you really still consider returning?

it's a different story if you've been unemployed for 2 years of course

That I won’t know. I doubt they take that into consideration.

Let's be honest here. Anyone who leaves, disappears or dies can be easily replaced anytime at a workplace.

But in a family or a group of close friends, do you think someone can be replaced easily?

Ultimately, we need to think about what is most important to us. Our mental and physical health, our family...We need those and they need us too.

And if a D grade is also involved now, would you feel that your time and effort at work has been appreciated by your superiors?

If that's the case, it might be treated more like a standard mid-career entrant then? Perhaps even more favourably?

Just guessing, though. I don't think such cases are that common, so less likely for misc forum readers to comment with confidence…

Open Posting
 

Hi all, just to check. I have applied for open posting 2 wk ago as a teacher. Any idea how long will it take for the school to respond to you?

Most people would have received their offers for OPE by now. If after 2 weeks and you still have not receive a call for interview, it’s likely that they already have chosen their candidate. Else, drop them an email. No harm.

Should have applied earlier, candidates who apply earlier get their slots confirmed first

This teacher couple I know, every day eat fine dining. Drive mercedez. Is it normal

Anyone knows how to opt out of CDAC fund contribution?

Mercedes A180 or C180 any teacher also can afford what. What talking you.

And if they have no kids and their parents got their own retirement $.. then they got all the money for themselves.

Teacher salary is not stupidly high, but it's not 'eat grass' low either.

Send email to HR. They are quite fast.

GLB leh. Ya no kids and all. Maybe that's why.
Can spend so much money.

Still no news on pay revision? They gonna back pay us?

Still no news , no letter

Don't pin hopes on this kind of thing. Expect nothing, be pleasantly surprised. The pay revision cycle has gone the way of Moore's Law. If you are looking for good income growth, MOE is not the right place.

Well, if really not going to adjust our salary, please just
let us die heart. Send email to inform us no salary adjustment la. Always keep us waiting...

You need to temper your expectations if you want to survive in the long run in MOE. Overpromising statements are the bread and butter of making things look rosy from an outsider's perspective. It's just politics. Remember when political office holders said the system would better support teachers' mental well-being? What did we get? And that was only the tip of the iceberg.

If you bank your hopes and dreams on empty words, you will never reach contentment while in this service. Focus on the positive things, or, leave service and go elsewhere to chase what you feel makes you happier.

Thanks cher I learnt something new!

But this law seems to apply lesser to current statistics...Heard that salary review in 2018/2019 fell through? Increments cut (permanently?) since 2020...No longer following historical trends haix

This is NOT insider information, but given the current high inflation environment, there is definitely going to be some policy tension between helping our salary growth match inflation, as well as trying not to contribute to worsening inflation.

As basic demand and supply goes, increasing people's purchasing power doesn't help to reduce inflation. That's why the govt doesn't give handouts to everyone willy-nilly.

Hence, don't be surprised if the outcome of the salary revision discussions go either way. After all, EOs are not considered to be a low income group that requires income support in trying times. At least not in the same way as OSOs, TSOs and also the lower ends of generic schemes.

Not insider but any HR would think about salary considerations should be primarily based on attrition and retention considerations, vis-a-vis what the market can offer. That said, teachers’ skills are not directly transferable to the larger market in general, so the longer you are in service, the less incentive is needed to retain you. It’s the same principle why connect payout peaks rather than increases all the way.

This would be HR's point of view, yes, but they are not the only decision making party here. A salary revision (or not) would be the final decision of PSD, which would also have several other policy considerations, including the national economic perspective.

Not happy just quit :)

If you follow the trend in the 2 previous times they raised the pay, it will be made closer to Teacher's Day.

Yay such a helpful and productive answer from a teacher who is essentially someone from the top 30% of the cohort.

A lot of people have already done so without your saying it :)

i guess that was the decision made back in around 2018 or 2019...?

Not because of inflation. Inflation was very low in 2018.

Can I check if you are a newly promoted to the next subgrade, will you get a default C? Or can u get something lower?

Wow such wit.

You must be top 5% and earning 5 figures outside!

Probably not. For the panel to grade an officers C- after just getting promoted, it's like admitting they made the wrong decision to promote the officer.

the officer may be adjusting to his/her new role after getting promoted. The school management team should be patient.

There is no regulation that it has to be a default C. You can be given any performance grade in any year, including a promotion year.

The 'default C' is just a practice adopted by some principals/branch heads to resolve part of the dilemma of needing enough warm bodies to fill up low band C, so the excuse is to "pace the newly promoted officer" or "give them time to adjust to new demands". It is not a HR requirement.

Is the survey anonymous?

The survey is not anonymous to the people administering it. However, the data provided to your SLs is supposed to be anonymised. So it depends on how much you trust the process. I have tested it before and it doesn't seem like the SLs knew who wrote certain rather critical pieces of feedback two years ago.