****ing spot-on!

Wrong.

M / Principal Engineer = M3
SM / Senior Principal Engineer = M4
AVP / Deputy Chief Engineer = M5
VP / Chief Engineer = M6

Sohai
 

Sohai.
M1 - Assistant Principal Engineer
M2 - Principal Engineer

The fact that there is so many interpretation means there is no transparency.
When within own organisation.
HR Failed.

Its murky up there cause not many will reach there

One of the best reply I've seen so far.

I think M2 is Principal Engineer, M3 is PE with Manager appointment. I wonder if there are appointments with same grade, like M3 can be a manager or senior manager.

E4 - Asst Engineer / Engineering Assistant
E5 - Engineer
E6 - Snr Engineer
M1 - Asst Principal Engineer / Asst Manager
M2 - Asst Principal Engineer / Asst Manager
M3 - Principal Engineer / Manager
M4 - Snr Principal Engineer / Snr Manager
M5 - Director

This is the official since 2007.
The rest is inflation of title.

Salah le
 

Wah like this means my colleague jumped from M1 to M4 and she bluffs us la.
She was assistant principal engineer confirmed its M1. Then big boss pulled her up to principal engineer during covid.
Now post covid her title is senior manager means she promoted to M4?

Can like that one meh.
From M1 to M4 in 3 years?

Yes this is accurate. M2 is not Principal Engineer grade, I don't know where these people get their info from, or they are/were not ST staff.

There are two grades for Assistant Principal Engineer.

it seems like the ranks are not clear and quite messy depending on different BU. I am M2, and my title in Org chart is Principal Engineer. My RO is M3 Senior Principal Engineer.

Tired
 

My division used to have 5 senior principal engineer .
Their new title now are AVP, BP or director.
Now only 1 senior principal engineer.

Shrug.
Either title got inflated.
Or the top got promoted but the bottom didn't get promoted up.

Cheat
 

I was just promoted to principal engineer in Sept 2022 reorg.
Its M2.
Who says its M3? HR try to cheat my pay is it.

If boss likes her and if there is business requirements, it's possible.

My old BU M2 is Principal Engineer. M3 is of manager appointment already. You won't see "Principal Engineer" but "Manager" instead.

E5 - Engineer
E6 - Snr Engineer
M1 - Asst Principal Engineer / Asst Manager
M2 - Principal Engineer / Manager
M3 - Snr Principal Engineer / Snr Manager / Director
M4 - AVP / Director
M5 - VP

Who really care the title while the job like ****

So many stupid people online
 

Stupid.
M3 pay range is different from M2.
Stupid.
Yeah same **** so $ must be more

As mentioned, HR trying to inflate the title which is not aligned to the payscale.

Give you M2 payscale, with M3 Title, basically try to cut cost by underpaying you

Then suck thumb lor

What is the pay range for each grade?
Bonus structure?

Why you all care so much about title. Tbh, the pay is more important. In ST the salary range is very big so a E6 can also be drawing more than a manager.

Somemore, nobody really care about your rank in the company anyway, there so many self proclaimed title in the officer. Alot of E5 or E6 who stuck in the same rank for 3-5 year will start to give themself make up title like system manager, project manager,lead developer...... Etc

My department culture is very bad. The manager alway delay project and only start to schedule the project when they cannot delay the project anymore so when we are alway fighting fire when we are deployed to the field. That why, my department got OT is very common due to the bad management.

Then when OT, you will start to envy poly hire cos they are paid for their ot and also double pay during weekend and holiday. Degree holder... Come back work for free and same hr

7 years experience, diploma grad. Offered e5 3.9k. Is it ok?

Consider not bad already without degree.

6 year and just finish my part-time degree (Somemore NTU). they offer me 4k. semi sai sia

Stupid fool.
The title we referring to is the pay grade..
M1 earn more than E6 le. E6 more than E5.
M3 more than M2.

You are the real stupid fool. some E5 and E6 earn more than M1 in this company. You are probably the stupid M1 earning 4.8k managing a bunch of fresh grad E5 that earn 5k. Salary is important in this company, not the title.

UOL first class with 1 yr work experience can join as m1 or not?

cannot, most likely E5 only.

Unless you have special skill or relation to the hiring manager, you wun get m1, by right m1 need 5 yr work exp

Some 5 years won't even promote to E6, let alone M1.

No promotion
 

You do know that management job is to make profit for the company so their own bonus is high?
I'm M2 managing a team of 1 M1, 1 E6 and 3 E5.

I can't change this composition.
Its set by my boss.
Unless I bring in a new project that cost more than hiring cost.
Then only he agree to hire extra 1 or 2 E5.

Sad to say the M1 is my buddy he been working for me for 10 years now.
The E6 is new. Won't be promoted. He will probably leave before.
E5s job are very relax. They just fix some minor bugs and do some simple service request.

Most of the time I can see them play mobile games in office.
(like I have no eyes they hide the phone by the laptop)...

How to promote?
Then if they leave we can rehire the E5 fresh with more energy and motivation.
The M1 and E6 are the key person. And I made sure they document the work.
Its part of their kpi which I review every quarter.

Also part of exit clearance is documentation. I made them sign and declare and acknowledge on first day they join.

So I already covered my bases.
Sad to say I also don't have chance to promote

No matter how many E5 you hire. their energy and motivation will lost since this company give E5 job like any technician can do it.

So this is the company culture and how it work.

I don't understand, in this case, why inflate the title and give higher salaries when a lower salaried worker can do his job?

Then you need ask the management.

Ask what just keep scrolling instagram

What pay grade would a senior principal engineer at ST engg land systems fall under? And the approximate salary range?

Title are important
 

Fake title is also quite important.

I used to work with a E6 lead.
He lead a few projects. That's the fake title.
But actually the real lead is E5 cause the E5 did all the work from meeting user, preparing document, plan, discussion, minutes of meeting.

The fake lead E6 only have the name on the project, sign approval, report to division manager.
Guess who was promoted? Not the actual E5 lead who also happen to have a good rapport with the other E5 team.

When the E5 quit, guess what happened to the project? Dead. Another new E5 have to take over and they don't know how to do.
How is it possible the E6 lead have no clue. Cause he is not the actual lead.

Then guess what happened to the E6?
Promoted to M1 because he lead this project and given other project to "lead".

This old project customer complain guess what happened?
They give the new E5 the title "Project manager/lead".

Its funny how fake leader get promoted while actual leader quit.
Then clueless new hire get fake title to do actual leading.

Isn't that how you play the game in most places? Learn from the E6.

Hahaha
 

Most E6 who can't be promoted already gave up.
Already expert in doing nothing for so many years.
Also don't want the promotion so don't do anything.

Just play politics. M1 delegate to E6. E6 just delegate to E5.
Seriously this company is run by E5, powered by mobile games.

M1 etc can drive out for lunch. Got money.
E5 poor can only hog table during lunch peak hours and play mobile games.

Oh no. you do that in a MNC with proper management and see how fast you get booted out. You cannot fake results and cover up in a company that has egalitarian values. When you get questioned in meetings, by customer, let's see how fast you sink but you will sink nonetheless.

Of course this don't happen in ST and the type of customers you have are the same too. That is why you will always be stuck in there.

To fulfill customer requirements. Say the customer requires a manager to overlook certain parts of the project. So any E5 or E6 available will be named "manager" on project documents tanking all the problems while the real managers are behind, siding the customers and acting like they have no part in the project.

Sadly, the composition thing is real. There was only limited headcounts for my position back then and we were in a weird place because of the team composition. I don't work under the actual manager, and my supervisor was really just like a chaperon for me. Almost a decade past and no one in my old position got promoted to E6 and beyond.

Niche skills but KPI lumped together with people who are doing totally different things from you.