My division almost every M2 and above drive car.
Even some M1 starting to drive also.
Only the lowly engineers take bus, company bus, mrt to work.

Funny thing is those poor people like me all come quite punctual. At most 10 min late.
Those drive one... Can come in 1 hour late. Or at 9 or at 930.

And we are supposed to not complain about the top doing nothing.and getting high pay.
This company only reward long timers.
Not actual work.

You see most of the newly appointed head all brag they have been with company for 20 years to 30 years la.
As if its a prerequisite to be the Head.

Those canteen ladies. Cleaning auntie. Security guard.
All come work at 7 am lol.

The lower you are in the hierarchy the earlier you have to be here.
So yeah E5 to E6 don't complain Pls.

Some E4 non degree holder. Store room. No office. Even worse. Have to tap in and out.
Like factory worker. Those are even more punctual.

The higher you are. The less accountable. The lazier. The more entitled

Some divisions even E6 who are there for some time own a car.

And if your job doesn't allow you to wayang or complain in front of the big bosses, can forget about career progression.

Fresh grad also can afford car la.
Monthly cost of owning a car is like < 1k.
Fresh grad all asking so high pay. Can easily waste 1k on car monthly

I was there as lowly E5 for almost 5 years. New E5s come in their package already worth more than my experience by about 30% in extreme cases.

Then the most ridiculous thing is, I was expected to perform duties of a E6 or M1 without promotion.

Ya lo. And then all those M1 claim to be doing the work of the M2 and M3.

So not sure what is the purpose of those senior positions.
This company really relies on the cheap E5 labor to run

Eg E5 project engineer. But is put as project manager.
Then customer keep shooting me.

Shoot my boss M3 senior manager la. They don't approve this don't approve that. But hide behind their office.
Don't face the customer. Got deadline but no resources.
Say covid la. This and that. Just appear once a while in meeting to exert dominance and give so many comments.

Talk is cheap! Where is the action.

Well they are the senior manager. High paid 10 to 15k drive nice car. Come late. Have personal office.
But don't handle customer.

Keep saying. "let us run the show"
How about give us your salary also then.

Haiyo!!!!!

Yes, they make it sound like the engineers below are the ones making the decisions. To them, they get the contract and nothing else matters to them. Any problems after that are the engineers' to solve. Yet, they are unwilling to give a little more benefits like higher increment or even off days. It's not even asking for promotion.

"Let you all run the show"... sounds so familiar.

Yes. My division even worse. The principal engineer "let us run the show" cause he say we day in day out touch the system, we should be familiar than him.

True.

Then we should take this salary. And he take our salary.
Swap job responsibilities, also swap salary right?

Your encounter sounds very familiar too... or the term "you are the expert".

where is my expert pay and title then

Sadly, I've worked here long enough to know you won't go far here.

If you observe carefully, all the senior oldies have the same style
1. Appear to be helpful but really not much of a help
2. Don't really do all the work so don't get all the blame.
3. Don't really take credit for all the work, but take credit from here and there just enough to appear to be doing some work.

Always appear a team player. But don't have to really play in the team.

You haven't mastered the skill. Your promotion will come from length of service.
You outshine so fast, your light will burn out.

Act blur, play dumb. Survive.

I think length of service also cannot promote. Many of the M1s and M2s are there for 15, 20 years and counting. If they do no move up or move out, there is no space for E5 and E6 to grow.

I had seen some E5s and E6s there for 7, 8 years and still at same grade.

After acting blur, playing dumb. what's your job grade now? how long are you in the company?

Currently M2 after 10 years.
E5 - 3 years
E6 - 2 years
M1 - 3 years
M2 - 2 years.

I very lucky, my boss keep promoted and he pull me up with him.
I see some M2 have a lot of people report under them.

I'm lucky cause nobody report under me. Hahaha.
But the bad thing is I report to many ROs.

But I'm excellent in human skills. I can work with the bosses above.
Thus my promotion..

You are indeed lucky that your boss still helps you after getting his own promotion.

Most of them get promoted and forgot almost about anyone else except those they like.

My boss promoted to lead a division. He don't have ally so he pull me along lo.
In this company, is all about making alliances.

And since my boss also know he won't get a chance to be promoted to M4 he also retiring mode.
Me too. So anything we both also try to siam haha.

what's the salary range for m2?

All I saw during my years there was the senior management and their pets get promoted. The time you gotten from E5 to M2 is the same time as some people getting from E5 to E6, which was seriously pathetic. It's no wonder certain divisions turn over rate so high, some new hires don't even stay beyond 3 months.

I admit this is true. But the same can be said about EVERY JOB.
If I give you a magic wand now and ask you to promote someone who is under you and you can ONLY choose one.

Who will you pick?
The one who you have bonded and have personally work with?
Or some newbie who is always sitting at his cubicle "working" but nobody know what.

It's normal for you to ALSO pick the person you familiar with.
And your OTHER staff will say you choose your PET

There is just NO WAY TO ESCAPE this harsh reality.
I rather be the pet or the one who choose the pet.
Then to be a disposal garbage.

You choose your own path.

Or I let you choose between two NON PET
A. Friendly, team player, positive, reliable
B. Cold, keep to himself, take credit for his own work, expert in domain but unwilling to share.

This is also why those get promoted are the same useless one.
People who are independent, smart and capable usually are not promoted.

Yet everytime I see the new people who join.
All pretend hardworking... But everyone know the one who are experienced will perform at 10% effort most of the time until the boss ask for something then it's 110%.
It's conservation energy.

All the newbie all work when the boss don't call for it. All work daily 100% until exhausted. The moment boss ask for something. They all claim overworked. Cause everyday give 100%.
Then fight with seniors.

Seen it so often.

Learn the ropes la. Be lazy. Just conserve your energy. Choose your war. Win some battle. Lose some.

No point burning yourself out.
I know how to climb the career. I'm good.

It's too bad most people don't learn this in school.

So what's the pay range for M2?

It says a lot to keep promoting a pet who kept screwing up because act hero don't listen to his technical teams.

comp sci fresh grad can earn 8k here?

Sure why not. Every 2 mths get 8k for fresh grad possible.

I earn 10k every 2 months le.

I earn 18k every 3 months.

Poor me. Im only ay 3500..

You earn 18k every 5 months

Can I suggest for this thread to be closed. Coming 1 Jan 2021 ST Electronics won't exist anymore.

Just rename as "ST Engineering"

Why need to close? ST Electronics won't exist. Culture, remuneration and practice still the same. Just rename will do. Scare people read about the history of this company?

Yes very scared.

Lol I save a manger admonish two young staff just now. Playing mobile game without wearing mask. Sitting face to face in canteen during office hour. Lol


This generation staff want 5k starting pay and play mobile game during office hours. Lol.
Yes, I'm having casual business meeting with contractor with mask on in canteen. Yes.

what's the big deal abt 5k? new comp sci grad can earn 6-7k easily
if they play mobile game during working hours means company culture and job allocation got issue, change worker can solve the issue?

So, fresh grad deserve to be paid 6k to 7k and manager need to micromanage them and treat them like kids?

Kids shouldn't get adult pay aka senior pay aka professional pay.
Wanna play mobile game. Stay in school and play your mobile game whole day in lecture la.

Company don't have to pay you for you to do that.

6-7k is junior pay hor...

Junior pay is 8k

Coffee break say coffee break la. You are not much better than the young engineers. Business meetings use meeting room not canteen. company spend so much money on meetings room you don't utilize.

Seen too much middle management eating snake in canteen acting like they are having meetings/discussions. one coffee drink 2 hours. how often your casual business meetings bring in revenue for the company. eat snake say eat snake la. worst of all, lao jiao can eat snake but don't let other people eat snake.

Lao jiao eat snake but when danger approaches slip away like a snake. Unseen.
Youngster Broad daylight play games. I think next generation will be watching porn on their mobile phone in broad daylight. No need go hide in toilet.