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Unregistered 15-03-2024 09:37 PM

PB
 
Congrats!

How do they measure one's performance based on 2.0-3.5 months?

I'm relatively new in the service and still learning this ranking system.

2021: Not ranked, posted out as GEO 2. (4 years, Ba, Honours Distinction)
2022: C+ (2.0)
2023: C+ (2.0) Promoted GEO 3.

Mine stated between good and very good. I assumed mine is lower end good.
My school has quite a number of high performing GEO 3s holding internal SH position.

What's in there really for me? Is it all worth it to slug away while serving my bond?

I understand it will take a number of years to stay at GEO 3 before the next promotion.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 09:48 PM

GEO5, HQ, non scholar, B

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270909)
GEO5, HQ, non scholar, B


Come, collate the quantum of PB

A 3.0
B 2.3-2.75
C+ 2.0
C

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unregistered (Post 270912)
come, collate the quantum of pb

a 3.0
b 2.3-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

geo4, b, 2.25

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:12 PM

Does PB grade have any impact on merit increment?

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270914)
geo4, b, 2.25

a 3.0
b 2.25-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270920)
a 3.0
b 2.25-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

a 3.0-3.5?
b 2.25-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270919)
Does PB grade have any impact on merit increment?

Yes but not a lot.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unregistered (Post 270922)
a 3.0-3.5?
B 2.25-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

geo3, c+ 1.8

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270922)
a 3.0-3.5?
b 2.25-2.75
c+ 2.0
c

Got this sometime back... not sure if still accurate.

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.25-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:45 PM

C+, 1.85 mth. Last yr 2.2 mth leh?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270932)
Got this sometime back... not sure if still accurate.

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.25-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0


So why there is a range? Economic performance?

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270923)
Yes but not a lot.

i disagree, remember increment is in perpetuity i.e. forever.

meaning even $20 more × 12 months × many years can really add up

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270932)
Got this sometime back... not sure if still accurate.

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.25-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0

Is it true that the quantum for GEO4 is higher than GEO3 for the same grade?

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:49 PM

Anyone receive news of promotion from this PB slip or will we only receive news next month?

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270935)
So why there is a range? Economic performance?

many factors
- school dependent allocation based on subst rank
- economy dependent
- subtiers of each performance grade

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270935)
So why there is a range? Economic performance?

Within the same grade there are still different baskets.

Geo 5, A, 2.95.
For those who are wondering if consecutive As and Bs for 2-3 years means a guaranteed promotion, I can safely tell you that it is definitely not true, or no longer true even since the pandemic period.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270938)
Anyone receive news of promotion from this PB slip or will we only receive news next month?

usually announced end of next week or the following

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270937)
Is it true that the quantum for GEO4 is higher than GEO3 for the same grade?

true and not true
dependent on school

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270938)
Anyone receive news of promotion from this PB slip or will we only receive news next month?

Promotion and pb are two separate matters.
Your school leaders will likely be the one who will break the news to you within the next two weeks. No news = bad news.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 10:54 PM

any hope for promotion?
 
Hi seek some kind advice from all experts out here.

PGDE Dec-2016 (1st intake of 16 mth PGDE batch).

Joined school as full-fledged teacher in April 2018

(Default male promotion), PB in 2019: C (promoted to GEO3)
(Work done for 2019) PB 2020: B
(Work done for 2020), PB 2021: A (promoted to GEO4, joined HQ under APEX posting)
(Work done for 2021) PB 2022: C
(Work done for 2022) PB 2023: C+
(Work done for 2023) PB 2024: B (posted out to school as a 1st time KP)

Just want to manage my expectation whether there is any chance of being promoted? Have been reading post about how P will inform promotees around this period but I have yet to hear from my P or SLs yet.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270940)
Within the same grade there are still different baskets.

Geo 5, A, 2.95.
For those who are wondering if consecutive As and Bs for 2-3 years means a guaranteed promotion, I can safely tell you that it is definitely not true, or no longer true even since the pandemic period.

Yes I can second that. This was briefed to me by my school leaders last year. Apparently, it is about CEP and "the right time". MOE is slowing down promotion, it seems.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270945)
Hi seek some kind advice from all experts out here.

PGDE Dec-2016 (1st intake of 16 mth PGDE batch).

Joined school as full-fledged teacher in April 2018

(Default male promotion), PB in 2019: C (promoted to GEO3)
(Work done for 2019) PB 2020: B
(Work done for 2020), PB 2021: A (promoted to GEO4, joined HQ under APEX posting)
(Work done for 2021) PB 2022: C
(Work done for 2022) PB 2023: C+
(Work done for 2023) PB 2024: B (posted out to school as a 1st time KP)

Just want to manage my expectation whether there is any chance of being promoted? Have been reading post about how P will inform promotees around this period but I have yet to hear from my P or SLs yet.

Your career path seem to be that of a scholar or someone with high CEP. Doubt anyone can tell you when you're gonna be promoted. But one thing's for sure...you'll promote faster than your peers. I know people from your batch...they are still at GEO3.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270903)
Congrats!

How do they measure one's performance based on 2.0-3.5 months?

I'm relatively new in the service and still learning this ranking system.

2021: Not ranked, posted out as GEO 2. (4 years, Ba, Honours Distinction)
2022: C+ (2.0)
2023: C+ (2.0) Promoted GEO 3.

Mine stated between good and very good. I assumed mine is lower end good.
My school has quite a number of high performing GEO 3s holding internal SH position.

What's in there really for me? Is it all worth it to slug away while serving my bond?

I understand it will take a number of years to stay at GEO 3 before the next promotion.

My bestie is from the Ba programme, graduated in 2016. She has As and Bs the last few years, and is someone many KPs rely on and look upon favourably. She's still GEO 3 today. I suggest you manage your expectations.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270932)
Got this sometime back... not sure if still accurate.

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.25-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0

C should be from 1.1 instead of 1.25

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270948)
Yes I can second that. This was briefed to me by my school leaders last year. Apparently, it is about CEP and "the right time". MOE is slowing down promotion, it seems.

The teaching force is too top heavy lah. So many KP positions already, and so many tua Pek gong. How to go up? Go up also need to substantiate leh. Cannot promote just because you old already. End of the day...it's all about budgeting.

Unregistered 15-03-2024 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270867)
Tell that to the younger teachers who criticise older teachers who are performing at a satisfactory level. Why should a HOD who's still getting at least C have to make way for a younger teacher?

Haha! I was one of those younger teachers eons ago when I was fresh out of NIE. Call it youthful idealistic foolishness. After I got married and had kids...those things wore me off, along with seeing how students, no matter how you work your ass off, rarely change for the better. Now, I'm simply a C grade teacher after 15 years of teaching. Just do my job and go home scold my own kids.

If you really want money, just go tutor other kids. You will earn more than 3 months worth of bonuses in a year. And you only need to sacrifice 2 hours each week. Imagine all the pain to get an A. Is it worth it? It is if you want glory and want to help the kids. It isn't if you just want money. Just my 2 cents.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270943)
Promotion and pb are two separate matters.
Your school leaders will likely be the one who will break the news to you within the next two weeks. No news = bad news.

How are they separate matters? And how is merit increment related to PB? Any figures to be exact?

Unregistered 16-03-2024 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270960)
How are they separate matters? And how is merit increment related to PB? Any figures to be exact?

The information you are getting today is about your perf grade for 2023.
The news that you might be receiving in the next two weeks is about whether or not you are going up another sub grade.
While the former determines how fast the latter comes, there are other factors including your cep in play.
So yes, they are separate matters if you are looking at the timeline, or no if you choose to lump them together to bring about the greatest confusion to yourself.

Increment is affected by your perf grade. A is around 3 plus percentage for the geo 5 me. The number is not going to change whether or not you know it now or later. So enjoy the last two days of holiday instead of wondering whether the increment can get you an ounce of happiness.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 01:25 AM

Will C- limit my promotion after getting 3 Years of Cs?
 
I graduated in 2017 under 4 year degree programme batch. IN 2023, many of my batch mates gotten the promotion to a GEO 4 but I was not considered for promotion. I suspected that I gotten my C- for the year in 2020. If like what Louis Ng said is true, means I wont be considered for promotion for the next 3 years. However, for the past 3 years 2021, 2022 and 2023, I have been consistently getting C grade. Can I still promote this year? This is really frustrating and demoralising.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270969)
I graduated in 2017 under 4 year degree programme batch. IN 2023, many of my batch mates gotten the promotion to a GEO 4 but I was not considered for promotion. I suspected that I gotten my C- for the year in 2020. If like what Louis Ng said is true, means I wont be considered for promotion for the next 3 years. However, for the past 3 years 2021, 2022 and 2023, I have been consistently getting C grade. Can I still promote this year? This is really frustrating and demoralising.



You need to find ways to up your performance grading. Continuing to get C will not help you with promotion. Only way to up your performance grading is to show ability to lead and do roles beyond your classroom. 11 years of teaching wisdom here for you:)

Unregistered 16-03-2024 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270969)
I graduated in 2017 under 4 year degree programme batch. IN 2023, many of my batch mates gotten the promotion to a GEO 4 but I was not considered for promotion. I suspected that I gotten my C- for the year in 2020. If like what Louis Ng said is true, means I wont be considered for promotion for the next 3 years. However, for the past 3 years 2021, 2022 and 2023, I have been consistently getting C grade. Can I still promote this year? This is really frustrating and demoralising.

Why should you expect to promote with Cs, when those with As and Bs haven't promote?

Munchen 16-03-2024 06:07 AM

C+, 2.2

Is the quantum higher because we are severely understaffed?

Unregistered 16-03-2024 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270951)
My bestie is from the Ba programme, graduated in 2016. She has As and Bs the last few years, and is someone many KPs rely on and look upon favourably. She's still GEO 3 today. I suggest you manage your expectations.

Is the promotion rate different for PGDE and NIE degree prog? If both have similar grades

Unregistered 16-03-2024 07:31 AM

GEO 3, A. 3 months. My GEO 3 colleague also got A but he got 3.5 months.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 07:40 AM

PB Quantum Range
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270952)
C should be from 1.1 instead of 1.25

Corrected:

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.1-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0

Is there one for SEO?

Unregistered 16-03-2024 07:47 AM

Went on maternity and grade dropped
 
Hais have been getting 3 years of B previously but this year, dropped to C+ because I went on maternity leave in term 2 and 3. I’m covering LH in my school. My RO had told me before she had tried to fight for me to remain at B with the work I had done in term 1 but other KPs disagreed as I didn’t do as much for the whole year. Funny thing was SL agreed with my ro and said that can other people produce the same quality work during the same time period as me. But other KPs still disagreed. Maybe they were also trying to push for their JH. But.. it’s not like Ipurposely don’t want to do the work what.. I was on maternity leave ma… I went back in term 4 and continued with my covering LH duties but lol joke’s on me since ranking has ended by then.. so whoever that said maternity leave won’t affect your pb and grade, all lying. Maybe time to think through and change focus to my family now. Since getting this c+ now would definitely affect my promotion to a geo4. I’m Geo 3 for 5 years already.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270982)
GEO 3, A. 3 months. My GEO 3 colleague also got A but he got 3.5 months.

GEO 3 here, also A but 2.8. Wondering why the range is quite wide.

Unregistered 16-03-2024 08:05 AM

Is this quantum for this year PB only?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270984)
Corrected:

GEO
A 2.8-3.5
B 2.25-2.75
C+ 1.55-2.2
C 1.1-1.5
C- 0.5-1
D 0

Is there one for SEO?

Remembered last year quantum months was higher.. Does the months you get depends on how much bonus the school was allocated?

horer2 16-03-2024 08:22 AM

If I am you:

1. Sound out RO if you can turn from covering to an official LH.
2. If 1 is not available, whether can you just be contented as a HOT.

It sounds like the school and RO do recognise your hardwork and performance. C+/B is not a gulf of a difference. Promotion will come when you are also more certain of your commitment and purpose in this career track. Don't work just for promotion, cos eventually there is none.

Munchen 16-03-2024 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 270985)
Hais have been getting 3 years of B previously but this year, dropped to C+ because I went on maternity leave in term 2 and 3. I’m covering LH in my school. My RO had told me before she had tried to fight for me to remain at B with the work I had done in term 1 but other KPs disagreed as I didn’t do as much for the whole year. Funny thing was SL agreed with my ro and said that can other people produce the same quality work during the same time period as me. But other KPs still disagreed. Maybe they were also trying to push for their JH. But.. it’s not like Ipurposely don’t want to do the work what.. I was on maternity leave ma… I went back in term 4 and continued with my covering LH duties but lol joke’s on me since ranking has ended by then.. so whoever that said maternity leave won’t affect your pb and grade, all lying. Maybe time to think through and change focus to my family now. Since getting this c+ now would definitely affect my promotion to a geo4. I’m Geo 3 for 5 years already.

Sister thinks that it's her birth right to get above C for being MIA for 4 months, while others tank her job.


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