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Unregistered 09-12-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262647)
thank u!! I am mid-career, worked for 1.5+ years in research~

Wait MOE treats someone who worked less than 2 years outside as a mid career switch?

Unregistered 09-12-2023 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262656)
Assuming you are a local uni grad with BSc, male:

2 years in previous field
1 year in contract untrained phase
1 year in PGDE phase
6 years in full time teaching phase

It should have been 10-11 years since you graduated. I guess the salary figure kind of fits. It's still pretty fast though. Many people I know in your age group are still way below yours. Did you often get consecutively above average performance grades within those 6 years?

Yeah, for males they also consider the 2 years in NS so that's another 2 increments

Unregistered 09-12-2023 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262675)
Unless we have the full details (sub grade, year-in-service, education background, prior work exp) of you and your teacher friend, we can't really make a fair or informed comparison!

EO salary scales are higher than MX. My NUS uni batchmates who have gone to other ministries have lower salaries than EOs.

MX has lower starting salaries, but they promote faster

Unregistered 09-12-2023 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262686)
MX has lower starting salaries, but they promote faster

i heard mx increments are also higher in amount

Unregistered 10-12-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262675)
Unless we have the full details (sub grade, year-in-service, education background, prior work exp) of you and your teacher friend, we can't really make a fair or informed comparison!

EO salary scales are higher than MX. My NUS uni batchmates who have gone to other ministries have lower salaries than EOs.

We have the same background. Both graduated at the same time (i.e. 2 years in service) and NUS FASS first-class honours.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262709)
We have the same background. Both graduated at the same time (i.e. 2 years in service) and NUS FASS first-class honours.

Oh, to add, we began with the exact same starting salary.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262710)
Oh, to add, we began with the exact same starting salary.

Same starting salary? So EO scheme is not a premium scheme after all.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 10:36 AM

Hi! Need some help. I've been searching Intranet for FAJT payment rates but to no avail. Does anyone know where to find this information? TIA

Unregistered 10-12-2023 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262710)
Oh, to add, we began with the exact same starting salary.

That's interesting. EO salary is supposed to be higher than MX scale, at least at the start. At least when I compare with my batchmates at MOH.

Then again, if you are both 2 year in service, and graduated from NUS, your EO friend would still be in NIE having completed Contract teaching. GEO2(UT) salary is quite stagnant throughout this period. Their next major increment would be GEO2(T) which should see your salaries start matching up and even more so at GEO3 which was given a major boost during salary revision.

All these... either you're not making a fair comparison and trying to rile up unhappy sentiments on a platform where you know teachers are reading or you're just a troll who is just **** at producing fake data.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262738)
That's interesting. EO salary is supposed to be higher than MX scale, at least at the start. At least when I compare with my batchmates at MOH.

Then again, if you are both 2 year in service, and graduated from NUS, your EO friend would still be in NIE having completed Contract teaching. GEO2(UT) salary is quite stagnant throughout this period. Their next major increment would be GEO2(T) which should see your salaries start matching up and even more so at GEO3 which was given a major boost during salary revision.

All these... either you're not making a fair comparison and trying to rile up unhappy sentiments on a platform where you know teachers are reading or you're just a troll who is just **** at producing fake data.

i have heard that different ministries have a different starting compensation, even for mx scheme...perhaps he is in the higher tier type of ministry?

im actually not surprised if mx holders do manage to catch up or overtake eventually, although the geo scheme has been traditionally known to be "premium" or "specialist"

Unregistered 10-12-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262742)
i have heard that different ministries have a different starting compensation, even for mx scheme...perhaps he is in the higher tier type of ministry?

im actually not surprised if mx holders do manage to catch up or overtake eventually, although the geo scheme has been traditionally known to be "premium" or "specialist"

Person claimed that they are MX12 (eq. to GEO3/4) and just a "farmer" a couple of posts back. Maybe person can clarify what "special" scheme they are in.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262738)
That's interesting. EO salary is supposed to be higher than MX scale, at least at the start. At least when I compare with my batchmates at MOH.

Then again, if you are both 2 year in service, and graduated from NUS, your EO friend would still be in NIE having completed Contract teaching. GEO2(UT) salary is quite stagnant throughout this period. Their next major increment would be GEO2(T) which should see your salaries start matching up and even more so at GEO3 which was given a major boost during salary revision.

All these... either you're not making a fair comparison and trying to rile up unhappy sentiments on a platform where you know teachers are reading or you're just a troll who is just **** at producing fake data.

Don't know why you're getting so worked up.

It's precisely because I was surprised that I was earning more than my teacher friend that I decided to post here.

Also, to be clear, I'm on the generic MX scheme in a more 'high-profile' ministry.

Unregistered 10-12-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262745)
Don't know why you're getting so worked up.

It's precisely because I was surprised that I was earning more than my teacher friend that I decided to post here.

Also, to be clear, I'm on the generic MX scheme in a more 'high-profile' ministry.

Your batchmate is still in NIE or just graduated?

Unregistered 10-12-2023 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262712)
Same starting salary? So EO scheme is not a premium scheme after all.

EO is a specialised scheme, but what specialised means in this case is that salary progression is structured differently from generic schemes. "specialised" doesn't guarantee higher salary than "generic".

While EOs usually have better salary progression than MXOs in MOE, they don't necessarily have better salary progression than all MXOs in the civil service.

Unregistered 11-12-2023 01:51 PM

Connect plan payout
 
When will we know how much is our connect plan payout? Due to receive it this yr

Unregistered 11-12-2023 08:43 PM

What is the allowance given for GEO5s who are in the first year of SH? I heard about it.

Unregistered 11-12-2023 08:50 PM

Any tips to excel as SH? (Going to become a new SH next year). TIA!

Unregistered 11-12-2023 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262738)
That's interesting. EO salary is supposed to be higher than MX scale, at least at the start. At least when I compare with my batchmates at MOH.

Then again, if you are both 2 year in service, and graduated from NUS, your EO friend would still be in NIE having completed Contract teaching. GEO2(UT) salary is quite stagnant throughout this period. Their next major increment would be GEO2(T) which should see your salaries start matching up and even more so at GEO3 which was given a major boost during salary revision.

All these... either you're not making a fair comparison and trying to rile up unhappy sentiments on a platform where you know teachers are reading or you're just a troll who is just **** at producing fake data.

You left out contract teaching. Common these days to do contract teaching for a year, followed by 1.5 years of PGDE.

Thw MX fellow would have already worked for 2.5 years, and gotten the cohort MX13 to MX12 promotion at the 1 year mark. Meanwhile the GEO is still GEO2 untrained.

The point about GEO having good booster is irrelevant, because MX too had the same rate of increment, and in addition, they had their increment earlier.

Unregistered 11-12-2023 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262862)
What is the allowance given for GEO5s who are in the first year of SH? I heard about it.

It's on Intranet. Search "Responsibility Allowance". Latest information should all be there.

Unregistered 12-12-2023 07:28 AM

OCA individual award
 
Hi, anyone received moe OCA individual award before ? How much does the award winner gets ?

Unregistered 12-12-2023 01:27 PM

SH responsibility allowance
 
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Originally Posted by unregistered (Post 262862)
what is the allowance given for geo5s who are in the first year of sh? I heard about it.

$1300 geo5
$3000 geo4

Unregistered 12-12-2023 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262831)
When will we know how much is our connect plan payout? Due to receive it this yr

Any replies?

Unregistered 12-12-2023 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262901)
Hi, anyone received moe OCA individual award before ? How much does the award winner gets ?

Yes, Received OCA laste year with $1000.00

Unregistered 12-12-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262917)
Any replies?

I am also waiting for some kind soul to reply.

Unregistered 12-12-2023 07:58 PM

Connect plan was changed late last year. Annual deposits starting from the WY2023 deposit were increased.

This means that anyone receiving connect payouts in Dec 2022 were still receiving payouts based on the old deposit rate. Anyone receiving connect payouts from this year onwards will receive a DIFFERENT amount than before.

tldr.. can just be patient and wait?????? It's literally coming in a couple of weeks.

Unregistered 12-12-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262920)
I am also waiting for some kind soul to reply.

Just relax and enjoy your protected time. The money will come in before end of the year. Thank you for your service.

Unregistered 13-12-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262866)
Any tips to excel as SH? (Going to become a new SH next year). TIA!

Hihi i am also a first year LH next year. Do you wanna connect we can embark on this learning journey tog!

Unregistered 15-12-2023 09:27 AM

Forum: Why are flexi-adjunct teachers paid more than full-time teachers?
 
s://.straitstimes.com/opinion/forum/forum-why-are-flexi-adjunct-teachers-paid-more-than-full-time-teachers

Forum: Why are flexi-adjunct teachers paid more than full-time teachers?


I refer to the report of a school teacher who earns only $3,000 a month and has to moonlight as a tutor (‘Overemployed’: A look at those who secretly juggle 2 full-time jobs, Dec 1).

The Ministry of Education wrote in a Forum letter that teachers’ salaries had been raised by 5 per cent to 10 per cent in October 2022 (Regular reviews by MOE ensure teachers’ salaries are competitive, Dec 8).

However, these increments fall short when compared with the significant rise in hourly rates for flexi-adjunct teachers – former teachers who had retired or resigned.

For instance, my friend who resigned after 12 years of service earns about $50 per hour.

Retired teachers can command as much as $60 per hour. Working 6.5 hours daily or 65 hours fortnightly, they can earn substantially.

While fair compensation for those handling full-time teaching responsibilities is essential, MOE’s revised payment scheme benefits all National Institute of Education-trained teachers who have resigned or retired, regardless of their teaching load, whether teaching full classes or doing relief teaching.

Previously, flexi-adjunct teachers doing ad-hoc relief teaching received daily wages. Since the shift to hourly pay, their salaries have surged by as much as 50 per cent.

Many of them handle relief teaching or merely babysit the classes, but can earn as much as $6,500 to $7,800 a month if they work every day, which many do. Those working at least 90 days in a school also enjoy various leave benefits.

Instead of a blanket raise for all flexi-adjunct teachers, MOE could redirect its resources to support full-time teachers.

It is disheartening that while a full-time teacher earns merely $3,000, others who handle fewer responsibilities earn more than double that salary.

Tey Ngan Yen

Unregistered 15-12-2023 10:21 AM

Read that letter too, didn't realized flexi adjutant now paid by the hour, instead of the day?

Unregistered 15-12-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263099)
Read that letter too, didn't realized flexi adjutant now paid by the hour, instead of the day?

Yes, they are paid by hours. Cap of 30 hours for each
week but the hourly pay is not as high as mentioned
in the article, at least not that I know of

Unregistered 15-12-2023 03:46 PM

FAJT only relief and babysit? Like real. Many schools facing severe perm staff shortage are depending on FAJTs for survival. This means some FAJTs have almost full load including FTship, CCA teacher. Only don't have stupid boliao committees and can leave earlier.

Unregistered 15-12-2023 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263119)
FAJT only relief and babysit? Like real. Many schools facing severe perm staff shortage are depending on FAJTs for survival. This means some FAJTs have almost full load including FTship, CCA teacher. Only don't have stupid boliao committees and can leave earlier.

CAJTs have CCA, FAJTs do not. They are under different schemes

Unregistered 16-12-2023 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263119)
FAJT only relief and babysit? Like real. Many schools facing severe perm staff shortage are depending on FAJTs for survival. This means some FAJTs have almost full load including FTship, CCA teacher. Only don't have stupid boliao committees and can leave earlier.


Then why I got rejected when I applied for teaching post? I'm determined to be a teacher.

Unregistered 16-12-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 262738)
That's interesting. EO salary is supposed to be higher than MX scale, at least at the start. At least when I compare with my batchmates at MOH.

Then again, if you are both 2 year in service, and graduated from NUS, your EO friend would still be in NIE having completed Contract teaching. GEO2(UT) salary is quite stagnant throughout this period. Their next major increment would be GEO2(T) which should see your salaries start matching up and even more so at GEO3 which was given a major boost during salary revision.

All these... either you're not making a fair comparison and trying to rile up unhappy sentiments on a platform where you know teachers are reading or you're just a troll who is just **** at producing fake data.



I stuck in MX13(I) for more than 10 years.. no promotion at all.. :(

Unregistered 16-12-2023 07:29 AM

The fact that there are many vacancies does not automatically translate into the system accepting any Tom, Dick and Harry.

Encourage u to read the many pages in this thread to find out for yourself. Lifelong learning yeah


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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263148)
Then why I got rejected when I applied for teaching post? I'm determined to be a teacher.


Unregistered 16-12-2023 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263150)
The fact that there are many vacancies does not automatically translate into the system accepting any Tom, Dick and Harry.

Encourage u to read the many pages in this thread to find out for yourself. Lifelong learning yeah

wait am i reading this wrongly? there are many vacancies????

Unregistered 16-12-2023 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263148)
Then why I got rejected when I applied for teaching post? I'm determined to be a teacher.

Schools are facing manpower crunch in specific subject units or departments.

However, at the national level, MOE is trying to reduce EO headcount, hence it is difficult to get hired as a perm EO.

Unregistered 16-12-2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263108)
Yes, they are paid by hours. Cap of 30 hours for each
week but the hourly pay is not as high as mentioned
in the article, at least not that I know of

yes there's a cap... any extra hour after is volunteer work.

there's a lot of over generalisation in this piece... many of fajt for 'subject' harder to find people are also doing full load. recently covered full time table, FTship, department work, and after sch prog for staff on maternity as an ex geo3.

whatever is portrayed in the letter is not true for all...

Unregistered 17-12-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263159)
Schools are facing manpower crunch in specific subject units or departments.

However, at the national level, MOE is trying to reduce EO headcount, hence it is difficult to get hired as a perm EO.

This is so weird...manpower crunch everywhere, but still doing such contradictory moves?

Is it always about the money in the end?

Unregistered 17-12-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263219)
This is so weird...manpower crunch everywhere, but still doing such contradictory moves?

Is it always about the money in the end?

money and politics - move to justify to non-edu politicians the declining population and theoretically lesser local students, but deliberately neglect that the needs of the new kids are higher more than ever


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