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Unregistered 07-09-2022 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229793)
Questions:
1. How many years have you been in the service?
2. How have your pb over the years been?

It could be a passing remark or a genuine case of seeing the potential in you to take on leadership role, be it in the teaching or leadership track. SH, ST, teachers, they all come under the hod. If the head is good, good. Else, it doesn’t make much of a difference.

To me, I will gladly take on SH position. It is a mean to shut the mouths of other KPs, especially during ranking since you will not be brought up for discussion. When you are just a HOT, many things, good or bad, go on behind the closed door. At the same time, you are likely to get a better pb. However, be prepared to take on more responsibilities too, including being an RO. Not everyone likes that.

i would say that not SH can attain hod position, you do see many career SHs. Of course, it is important to work towards that still. Stressful or not it depends on individuals. The responsibilities is definitely greater being a hod, as you oversee departments and often are required to take on roles such as presiding examiner for National examinations or lead committees in planning for school events.
I'm in HQ posting out in 2024. 10 years in service and standard HQ experience. Get Cs while having goten B's in school.

This came up for discussion for mid year review so it's pretty serious since its going to determine where I end up. I said I wanted to do leadership but I'm now having second thoughts. Being Hot is attractive especially after 3 years of being squeezed dry at HQvHaha

Unregistered 07-09-2022 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229681)
I wonder why your mouth is full of ****
Well it's true. Many KPs are crap

Unregistered 07-09-2022 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229862)
I'm in HQ posting out in 2024. 10 years in service and standard HQ experience. Get Cs while having goten B's in school.

This came up for discussion for mid year review so it's pretty serious since its going to determine where I end up. I said I wanted to do leadership but I'm now having second thoughts. Being Hot is attractive especially after 3 years of being squeezed dry at HQvHaha
If want to be HOT, go for RI / HCI / JCs

Unregistered 07-09-2022 10:07 PM
my teacher in jc often motivate our class guys by letting us teh her neh if we do well in tests and exams.

sure all of us to graduate with flying colors soon!

Unregistered 08-09-2022 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229862)
I'm in HQ posting out in 2024. 10 years in service and standard HQ experience. Get Cs while having goten B's in school.

This came up for discussion for mid year review so it's pretty serious since its going to determine where I end up. I said I wanted to do leadership but I'm now having second thoughts. Being Hot is attractive especially after 3 years of being squeezed dry at HQvHaha
I’ve heard of teachers who went straight for HOD position via enhanced posting without prior leadership appointment. It depends on what is offered. It really is not a bad thing to stay as a HOT. For your case, I am not sure if you have attained GEO 5. With the new GEO 5A, one way is to just remain as HOT while you see if you like the school and work towards the5A sub grade. subsequently, with your capabilities noticed, you can then decide if you would like to go any vacant KP positions within the school.

If you are geo 4, I will take up the KP position.

Unregistered 09-09-2022 10:00 AM
Pardon me for asking this

I have friends who are teachers and this is also covered in the news that Teachers wanna quit their jobs

But where will they be applying to?

How will the market absorb them?

Will it be lateral - as in giving tuition? Or a stat board job etc

Unregistered 09-09-2022 11:17 AM
Open Posting technicalities
 
Context: I am a BT in my first posting starting from 1 Jan 2023. My official confirmation to GEO2 was April 2022. Tia gong first posting only need 2 years in service. However the eligibility criterion to apply is to have completed 2 Years in the first posting as of 31 DEC of the year you are applying.

E.g I want to apply for OPE in July 2023, so I must have served 2 years in my current posting by 31 DEC 2023.

However the MOE HR unit tells me that Practicum period does not count towards the 2 years of service in the first posting. Even if I want to apply for new posting starting Sem 2 2024, I do not even meet the criterion to apply in the first place.

My questions are:
1) Anyone knows of any BT who successfully applied for OPE in their second year?
2) Does this mean that I am only eligible to apply for OPE in 2024?

Appreciate your insights, dear senpais

Unregistered 10-09-2022 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229937)
Pardon me for asking this

I have friends who are teachers and this is also covered in the news that Teachers wanna quit their jobs

But where will they be applying to?

How will the market absorb them?

Will it be lateral - as in giving tuition? Or a stat board job etc
Cross ministry transfer to other ministries , not that hard since teachers are very experienced in event planning, customer relations, training etc

Unregistered 10-09-2022 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229937)
Pardon me for asking this

I have friends who are teachers and this is also covered in the news that Teachers wanna quit their jobs

But where will they be applying to?

How will the market absorb them?

Will it be lateral - as in giving tuition? Or a stat board job etc



Tuition is a good choice. Won’t die out. Can easily make equal or more than in school.

Unregistered 10-09-2022 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230024)
Cross ministry transfer to other ministries , not that hard since teachers are very experienced in event planning, customer relations, training etc
Any ex-teachers who have done this? Is the experience recognised? Will there be a paycut?

I know of a friend who did this and he had to take a paycut.

Unregistered 10-09-2022 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229937)
Pardon me for asking this

I have friends who are teachers and this is also covered in the news that Teachers wanna quit their jobs

But where will they be applying to?

How will the market absorb them?

Will it be lateral - as in giving tuition? Or a stat board job etc
s://singaporeuncensored.com/teacher-wants-to-switch-to-private-tutor-job-earns-more-more-flexible/

Unregistered 11-09-2022 02:28 AM
Possible new salary ranges?

Previous
GEO1 (Untrained): ? (non-graduates start here)
GEO1 (Trained): 1600 - 2730
GEO2 (Untrained): 2000-4340 (graduates start here)
GEO2 (Trained): 2538-4500
GEO3: 3515 -5616
GEO4: 4545-7271
GEO5: 4903-7845 (max salary grade for standard teacher)
SEO1: 5651-9064 (min. LH/SH/ST)
SEO2: 7236-10766 (min. HOD/LT)
SEO3: 8748-11232 (min. VP/MT)

New
Previous
GEO1 (Untrained): ? (non-graduates start here)
GEO1 (Trained): 1680 - 2866 (+5%?)
GEO2 (Untrained): 2100-4557 (+5%?)(graduates start here)
GEO2 (Trained): 2665-4725 (+5%?)
GEO3: 3690-5897 (+5%?)
GEO4: 4772-7635 (+5%?)
GEO5: 5148-8237 (+5%?)
GEO5A: possible 5680-9104 (new) (max salary grade for standard teacher)
SEO1: 6216-9970 (+10%?) (min. LH/SH/ST)
SEO2: 7959-11843 (+10%?) (min. HOD/LT)
SEO3: 9623-12355 (+10%?) (min. VP/MT)

Unregistered 11-09-2022 08:38 AM
R we expecting higher pay rise for SEO??

Unregistered 11-09-2022 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229944)
Context: I am a BT in my first posting starting from 1 Jan 2023. My official confirmation to GEO2 was April 2022. Tia gong first posting only need 2 years in service. However the eligibility criterion to apply is to have completed 2 Years in the first posting as of 31 DEC of the year you are applying.

E.g I want to apply for OPE in July 2023, so I must have served 2 years in my current posting by 31 DEC 2023.

However the MOE HR unit tells me that Practicum period does not count towards the 2 years of service in the first posting. Even if I want to apply for new posting starting Sem 2 2024, I do not even meet the criterion to apply in the first place.

My questions are:
1) Anyone knows of any BT who successfully applied for OPE in their second year?
2) Does this mean that I am only eligible to apply for OPE in 2024?

Appreciate your insights, dear senpais
No need think so much. Try to see if you can successfully apply to any school during OPE in your 2nd year. If you are intelligible, you would. Not be able to apply.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230066)
R we expecting higher pay rise for SEO??
It's the norm for management grades to get a higher pay increase, but for this time specifically, we don't know yet.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230069)
It's the norm for management grades to get a higher pay increase, but for this time specifically, we don't know yet.
Received additional $500 in September payslip. is this the increase in pay?

Unregistered 11-09-2022 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230071)
Received additional $500 in September payslip. is this the increase in pay?
No, it's a yearly payout. It replaces the Learning & Development Scheme which allows teachers to claim for any learning-related expenses. KPs get $700 if I'm not wrong.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230073)
No, it's a yearly payout. It replaces the Learning & Development Scheme which allows teachers to claim for any learning-related expenses. KPs get $700 if I'm not wrong.
It's not the same for everyone? I got $700 but not a KP. GEO5 HOT.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230073)
No, it's a yearly payout. It replaces the Learning & Development Scheme which allows teachers to claim for any learning-related expenses. KPs get $700 if I'm not wrong.
i think it's based on years of service...and it is still subjected to CPF and taxes too if i remember correctly...

Unregistered 11-09-2022 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230066)
R we expecting higher pay rise for SEO??
Wouldnt be surprised since it’s benchmarked to private sector. Private sector management level 5 digits pm is very common

Unregistered 11-09-2022 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 229944)
Context: I am a BT in my first posting starting from 1 Jan 2023. My official confirmation to GEO2 was April 2022. Tia gong first posting only need 2 years in service. However the eligibility criterion to apply is to have completed 2 Years in the first posting as of 31 DEC of the year you are applying.

E.g I want to apply for OPE in July 2023, so I must have served 2 years in my current posting by 31 DEC 2023.

However the MOE HR unit tells me that Practicum period does not count towards the 2 years of service in the first posting. Even if I want to apply for new posting starting Sem 2 2024, I do not even meet the criterion to apply in the first place.

My questions are:
1) Anyone knows of any BT who successfully applied for OPE in their second year?
2) Does this mean that I am only eligible to apply for OPE in 2024?

Appreciate your insights, dear senpais
That is correct. Practicum is 3 months, and does not count towards the 2 years. Hence by Dec 2023 you would only have completed 1 year 9 months of service. Don't even need to bother applying. If you click on "apply" during OPE, the system will indicate that you are not eligible. So TLDR, yes you have to wait until 2024 to apply for posting in 2025.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230069)
It's the norm for management grades to get a higher pay increase, but for this time specifically, we don't know yet.
I'm not a KP but I think the pay gap between management and non-management is too small. It's not enough to justify all the extra rubbish that KPs are expected to do on top of being model teachers.

Not advocating for a massive pay gap, but if the pay gap is narrowed instead of being widened slightly, it disincentivises outstanding teachers to aspire to climb the ladder and serve in higher capacities.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 03:49 PM
Dont worry we know most KPs are thrash teachers anw.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230073)
No, it's a yearly payout. It replaces the Learning & Development Scheme which allows teachers to claim for any learning-related expenses. KPs get $700 if I'm not wrong.
Not true. I’m a GEO 4 SH and mine’s only $500 😭 More likely it’s tag to GEO grades instead.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230089)
I'm not a KP but I think the pay gap between management and non-management is too small. It's not enough to justify all the extra rubbish that KPs are expected to do on top of being model teachers.

Not advocating for a massive pay gap, but if the pay gap is narrowed instead of being widened slightly, it disincentivises outstanding teachers to aspire to climb the ladder and serve in higher capacities.
Thing is, there's very little space to climb, those up there are not moving or leaving, hence the geo5a subgrade. The ones leaving are the talented and stuck geo4 and 3s who are also thrown all sorts of rubbish and heavily arrowed. So these subgrades need the biggest increment to retain them.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230098)
Thing is, there's very little space to climb, those up there are not moving or leaving, hence the geo5a subgrade. The ones leaving are the talented and stuck geo4 and 3s who are also thrown all sorts of rubbish and heavily arrowed. So these subgrades need the biggest increment to retain them.
If you look at what happened to the adjustment for the MX scheme, so many people are in MX11 but their adjustment was the lowest at 5%. MX12 and below, MX11a and above got 8% and above.

Everyone on the ground has their opinions about how the adjustment should be done, but if those sitting on top decide otherwise, don't be surprised if some slacking GEO5 HOT gets hotter from a larger adjustment while the GEO3 and GEO4 SOTs get peanuts.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230089)
I'm not a KP but I think the pay gap between management and non-management is too small. It's not enough to justify all the extra rubbish that KPs are expected to do on top of being model teachers.

Not advocating for a massive pay gap, but if the pay gap is narrowed instead of being widened slightly, it disincentivises outstanding teachers to aspire to climb the ladder and serve in higher capacities.
aiseh...model teachers siol...lolol

Unregistered 11-09-2022 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230095)
Not true. I’m a GEO 4 SH and mine’s only $500 😭 More likely it’s tag to GEO grades instead.
Like seriously r the pple here supposedly old timers who actually do not know? It’s years of service 700….but they smart put in payslip so it’s cpf deductible etc hence actual amount you get is 500. Those fewer years service get 500…minus cpf actual amt is less.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230099)
If you look at what happened to the adjustment for the MX scheme, so many people are in MX11 but their adjustment was the lowest at 5%. MX12 and below, MX11a and above got 8% and above.

Everyone on the ground has their opinions about how the adjustment should be done, but if those sitting on top decide otherwise, don't be surprised if some slacking GEO5 HOT gets hotter from a larger adjustment while the GEO3 and GEO4 SOTs get peanuts.
Aren’t MX11 and GEO5 on par?

Unregistered 11-09-2022 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230108)
Like seriously r the pple here supposedly old timers who actually do not know? It’s years of service 700….but they smart put in payslip so it’s cpf deductible etc hence actual amount you get is 500. Those fewer years service get 500…minus cpf actual amt is less.
GEO1-4 grades: SEP Payment of $500 (before deduction)
GEO5 (inclusive) and SEO grades: SEP Payment of $700 (before deduction)

It has nothing to do with the years of service.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 08:56 PM
Hi, does anyone know the type of leave that an EO can take to take care of a parent who is seriously sickm Besides unpaid leave, can I use any paid leave first before applying for UL? Thank you.

Unregistered 11-09-2022 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230116)
Hi, does anyone know the type of leave that an EO can take to take care of a parent who is seriously sickm Besides unpaid leave, can I use any paid leave first before applying for UL? Thank you.
There's 2 days of Parent-Care Leave you should definitely try to utilise first.

Sounds like you'll need more days, though… I understand there's Urgent Private Affairs (UPA) Leave, but don't really know how that works. Maybe someone else here (…or your RO?) would be able to better advise?

Unregistered 11-09-2022 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230089)
I'm not a KP but I think the pay gap between management and non-management is too small. It's not enough to justify all the extra rubbish that KPs are expected to do on top of being model teachers.

Not advocating for a massive pay gap, but if the pay gap is narrowed instead of being widened slightly, it disincentivises outstanding teachers to aspire to climb the ladder and serve in higher capacities.


I don’t think KPs will mind if the pay gap is narrowed. Aren’t they in this role because of their passion? Lol

Unregistered 12-09-2022 09:48 AM
adding on,
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230123)
I don’t think KPs will mind if the pay gap is narrowed. Aren’t they in this role because of their passion? Lol
Agreed! Plus most of our schools KPs are very capable and competent. So even if the pay increase is too small, they can easily cross over to private sector or other ministries who'll be embracing them with arms wide open. Everyone knows how hard working school KPs are, so they shouldnt have a problem moving on to other careers/deployment outside of MOE. But of course, because of their strong passion, these KPs choose to remain in MOE/schools despite of better employability prospects. Noble hor. *coughs* *wipes nose bleed*

Unregistered 12-09-2022 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230123)
Aren’t they in this role because of their passion? Lol
I love how you think. It will ensure that our middle management landscape will continue to be dominated by status-quo-worshipping yes-men with mediocre ability and zero prospects in the private sector. Bright future ahead for the education service indeed.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230116)
Hi, does anyone know the type of leave that an EO can take to take care of a parent who is seriously sickm Besides unpaid leave, can I use any paid leave first before applying for UL? Thank you.
Use parent care leave followed by urgent private affairs leave if you need full days away from work.

On certain days when your timetable allows, you can try asking for (unrecorded/unofficial) time off to leave a bit earlier or report a bit later so that you can spend time looking after your parent.

As a last resort, ask for unpaid leave. Best wishes to your family.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 01:21 PM
actually
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230138)
I love how you think. It will ensure that our middle management landscape will continue to be dominated by status-quo-worshipping yes-men with mediocre ability and zero prospects in the private sector. Bright future ahead for the education service indeed.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
paying handsomely to attract talent is the same narrative put forth by the men in white. it has not proven to be true. on the contrary, such approach only perpetuates echo chamber syndrome.

you want real, bright future? take a leaf from the old guards. make an effort to genuinely understand the ground sentiments and take bold steps.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230155)
paying handsomely to attract talent is the same narrative put forth by the men in white. it has not proven to be true. on the contrary, such approach only perpetuates echo chamber syndrome.

you want real, bright future? take a leaf from the old guards. make an effort to genuinely understand the ground sentiments and take bold steps.
Wrong analogy. We're comparing middle management jobs here, of which there are equivalents in the public and the private sectors. The MIW narrative that you are referring to has no equivalent. What do you compare a ministerial portfolio with? A C-suite position? That's like trying to land a Mars Rover on Uranus.

Agree with the management philosophy of going closer to the ground. But any Tom, Dick or Harry can put on a show and literally walk the ground often, asking his secretary to take down everyone's complaints. But whether it translates into real change requires managerial talent, not just showmanship. And again, talent isn't cheap. You want the cream of the crop in management & policymaking talent, or any other specific kind of talent at all, you cough up the $$$$$. Simple.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 03:18 PM
Moe all bunch of monkeys

Unregistered 12-09-2022 04:19 PM
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Moe all bunch of monkeys

Is that why you are not from moe? Cos u don’t even fit to be a monkey. Maybe a donkey..wahahhaha


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