True. If you willing to forgo your PB then can just leave anytime. Some companies have PB and AWS out on different months, maybe Jun/Dec. Then can only choose to forgo one and take the other, then throw letter.

Last time was like that. Alot of company does that aws end of the month. Bonus is mid year. And then quarterly got like 500 dollars or what. To entice staff to stay just a few more months... Then it's okay. Just another month... Then. Bonus.. Then stay another 3montjs aws.

So it reward ppl to stay.

Now.. No more aws. High base. People will just keep searching for a better job. Leave anytime.

Same for me, I joined as an E6 about 10 years ago at $4.2k as well.
Promoted once in like 3 or 4 years. Increment sucks sia

LOL!

"People who work in ST only limited to 3 promotions their life time."

This is so true!

well ppl in govt sector also limited to 3-4.

Some people only promoted once.
ST alot of dead weight managers stuck at M1 do nothing one.
You'll be shocked.

11 months do nothing.
1 month before appraisal act busy. Come early leave late
I see the performance so many times.
Then promoted already etc. Back to lazy retirement life.

This company is a joke.
Their motto at work "how to not do work for one more day..."

That's why you should promote engineers.
But they promote engineers to be managers then become useless.

Hows the staff movement at everyone's office? Many ppl resigned after bonus? Or all hanging on to their rice bowl?

Hey if any of you is good enough, why not apply for better SI like Accenture? Higher pay at all levels. When fresh grad pay increases, laojiaos pay increases as well. No worries there. Pay dont overlap between each levels.

Cause I stay in AMK. Nearby office 5 min bus ride.

Rofl myopic. Then you have no rights to complain. Just diam diam stay at your own role can already.

5 min bus ride big deal.

I stay in the landed bungalow behind the AMK office. I can literally just walk to office.

I stay inside the hub. I literally open my eyes and I'm in office

I stay in my office cubicle. Wake up can start work already

i got approval to wfh so home is office

Weird flex

I see people everyday travel need pay so much and squeeze in peak hour crowd i laugh. Hahhahahahaha

Jokes on you cause they can come late and leave early cause need to travel. Mrt delay. Bus breakdown not their fault.

You on the other hand is 24/7 work.

You lose.

Lol.

WFH is no longer the default since 5 April 2021.
Where have you been?

Either this or they promote engineers to take on even more engineer work, until engineers are fedup and left. Always happen in engineering and technical teams.

Got some carry ball experts managed to promote 2 times in 3 years

Got some no experience no relevabr expertise come in straight away M4 cause recommended by someone in senior management...

The politics is very strong here.

People with no proven record elevated to high paid position with no result to show for.
Retirement Village this one.

There are many "managers" who backstab to climb, especially those in non-technical roles. Sabotage the whole team by making own decision to accept customer demands. Get credit for new contract. Unable to meet requirements point finger at the engineers. Get credit for appeasing customers. Senior management see them "doing work" so promote them.

This I agree. I had one manager who came in as M3 because he was recommended by one M4.

Very jialat one.
Cause the team size so small.
No budget.
Then people here really long marathon.

So got one team can have
1 senior manager
2 assistant manager
1 project engineer

That kind of hierarchy...
End up the managers also doing work like engineers.
The title is just because they have been here too long 10 years etc. So have to be promoted..
But really it's just 1 manager but become senior cause too long.
And 2 senior engineer too long so promoted to "assistant manager" role.
Then 1 project engineer fresh grad hired to help out.

So in this kind of team structure.
Where got growth. Project engineer end up cheap labor do all the work trickled down.
Managers also doing the engineer work etc.
Project engineer won't be promoted. The only way out is the prokect engineer work 3 years realised no growth. Quit.

Then can hire a new project engineer.
And the cycle repeats. Its very sad but that's how the company is setuo

Benefit a few in the comfortable retirement position.
But those E5 E6 is just hard labor with no growth.

M3 M4 those roles no need skills one la.
Those position are just roles that is high paid to play politics.
Talk big in front of customer. Don't offend in internal meeting.
Play politics to not offend the senior management.
Then promoted lo.
I seen it so many times. People with strong engineering background etc. Can't stay long in those position.
I heard rumoir there was a PhD consultant in transport...
Then promoted to VP.

But after some politics restructuring was forced to go.. Something about he can't have role outside of the company. Conflict of interest.
So he was just VP for 2 months..

Alot of mine fields to navigate.
Say too much. Offend people.
Say too little. People think you nothing to contribute.
This is why when the company have too many managers.. It's just politics.
If this company is heavy on engineers and low on managers. And the engineers are the higher paid one.

You'll have all the zai engineers leading. Speak and contribute technically.
Then those non tech nothing to contribute just listen and then front customer..
That's the way its supposed to be...
Managers are supposed to manage customer.

But here managers don't really manage client.
Managers rather just manage their engineer.
But they themselves no idea how to do the work.
So just meeting meeting check progress so they can report up to senior management.
Take credit for update..

It's very stupid I can't believe I have worked in a place where practically almost everyone is a "manager" except if you are admin.

I'm project engineer E5 but I like to think of myself as project manager.
So I brag to my friends that I manage project.

And my M1 manager just manage me

I'm M2 principal engineer. I got pronoted due to good relationship.

I like to tell my friends in just a lowly engineer who dunno anything....
So I don't have to do anything hahahahaha

QFT your last paragraph. The longer one stayed, the more "manager" role one will have.

I was amused that one fine day I saw my name as "XXX Manager" in project A, "YYY manager" in project B and "ZZZ manager" in the division due to the customer requirements that every workflow must have a manager in charge.

So, I was a manager who managed the engineer and that engineer was myself.

Joke sia.
Even funny my software manager appoint me as lead for system A. Another colleague lead for system B.
Another colleague for system C.

The catch is. There is only 3 of us working on this 3 systems.
So I guess we lead ourself. We code. We test. We gather requirement. We raise PR. We documentation. We system integration test. We UAT test. We also report to customer update.

Fun sia. Lead myself with engineer low pay. Lol

Everyone is their own boss in this company.
That way. The senior management don't have to really manage anything.
It runs by itself.

not bad . can auto run.

self leadership!

Then with enough data can use machine learning and AI to make decision for senior management
So we can slowly phase off senior management.

still need then to press button

Can use robotics

Does ST put a lot of emphasis on paper qualifications? A headhunting agency called me up for a job 2 weeks ago about an assistant engineer/senior tech position. I hope I did the right thing by listening to my friend to decline the agency. I am already engineer 2 in a MNC.

My friend told me that he responded to an agency's invitation and went for an interview in ST about 4 years ago. He is about 10 years older than me and I know he has more than 10 years of experience currently managing projects in many parts of the world. He was promoted to a program manager in another american MNC like last year during COVID and he is certified PMP but he only has a diploma. But he was only offered a position of an assistant engineer and the interviewer even got confused because he could not get over the part of a diploma holder being a project manager. But he did say that the interviewer was respectful though.

Ownself lead ownself, ownself work ownself but cannot ownself pay ownself.

Cause diploma holder in ST are just those maintenance. Technician. Warehouse people...
If you don't have degree, your pay grade is capped.

I believe non recognised degree also not eligible. Meaning you will be called principal technician instead of principal engineer. Pay scale. Grade etc.

Well basically I'm a degree holder. I worked in mnc where degree is basic requirement. Everyone has degree. In fact I would argue and say master is getting norm.

So non degree is really impossible.

So what ST does is they encourage diploma holder to get degree. Thru private uni like sim part time etc and their boss will support them.

Its sad but if you don't have a degree you can't compete.

America company is different. America company got education or not. Doesn't matter etc.
This is Singapore company...

Although I can't say where those senior managers are they degree holders or diploma cause they keep their education background very secret.