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The fact that covid-19 they can take 20% pay cut means they are already overpaid for doing nothing lo. The best way is don't care la. You come to work on time do the work then go home. Can't meet schedule is the project manager taichi. No manpower. Then you still volunteer to do more? Don't be stupid la. Cut the manager 10k pay to hire 2 fresh grad better. This workplace is really a retirement village |
This is a very interesting thread. I conducted some very interesting interviews before pertaining to the attitude about degrees and recall what some young candidates used to say.
Some young degree holder believe that his degree is the first reason why we should hire him for a senior engineer position. Another guy left his last job without a job just because his company promoted another guy without a degree rather than him. I think I could see why. Another youngster said he sees himself a manager in 5 years time because with a degree, that is how his career will be charted without any mention of contributions as though the promotion will come automatically. |
pls lah.. degree is like toilet paper nowadays
everyone has one dun be stupiak can or not |
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Tell your boss you want to quit to go study NUS comp science. After 4 years you come out then ask for starting pay 5.8k based on current projection is around there. It's much better than you whine and rant that you no degree and stuck at 3k plus pay |
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Will there usually be any Increment if an outsource contract staff convert to Perm? Considering there is no promotion. Just Contract to Perm conversion. |
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I can relate to some of the posts here. I still remember that hilarious interview I had with a ST staff a few years back. Don't know what DOE is, cannot even explain how to use a DFMEA or DMAIC. No knowledge about product development roadmap, almost zero knowledge of the products the role needs to design on. He has this very weird idea that promotions and incentives are tied to his paper qualifications. I don't know why did the agency even sent him to us. Then we asked him why we should hire him. And some of you might have guessed, "Because I have a degree". My other colleague told him that it is not the degree, it is your competence. |
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Your value determine your pay.
You don't need degree or education. Hell you don't even need to be a programmer. Like that 19 yo CEO of of 25 million tech company. He just found the company with his friends. Then hire people to do it.... Then got investor. People value the company. So his value detemiens how much he can pay himself. The software developer who build the product degree or not. If he can create value and that value can earn company millions... Ofc he's higher pay lo. Degree is just a statement that you have managed to go thru a system of 4 years and pass thru it. Ppl without degree is also just a statement that they didn't go thru the process.. So? Get a degree... And whether you have degree or not. Doesn't mean you have value. Cause if all the first class honours will have the guts and balls to create something to sell. They all will be rich. Singapore is starting this culture now. In the pass. Blame the government for making us into workforce slave Now as more and more ppl become successful with their startup. People will aim to be founder and own their company. Why settle for 10k per month salary when you can potentially earn 1 million per month |
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Still on this topic? Seriously a waste of time.
There will always be self entitled dumbasses who believe their degree is a business class ticket to classified them as higher caste entitled to promotion and increment automatically. Live with it. No point arguing with them. These people can only survive in ST, as long as you don't join ST, you won't have the problem of having to deal with these people. Go and read up the posts in the early parts of the thread and you will have an idea how the company is like inside. There are also the other type of people who focus on their performance and value. Some have degree some don't but they know what they create is what defines their value. They get kicked out once they don't perform, that degree is not going to save them. These people can survive anywhere not ST. So Good news, you still have the majority of space to find work like getting into a MNC. |
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Qualifications don't stop when I get the paper. It is only the beginning. So leaving ST is the better choice. |
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You can look up the role model poke Dyson or Elon musk And when you have a successful company that create products and made you a fortune for your children and grandchildren so they don't have to work. Then make sure your hiring policy is just to hire diploma. Period. |
People with degree.
Paid for uni school fee. Attended course and lecture to learn. Did the tutorial and labs and exercises. Took the exam and pass... Or can't graduate. For 4 years. With no pay... And you want to complain that non degree should be qualified just ad much ad degree. Just go complete your degree. Enough said. Don't need harvard or mit. Any private uni is fine. Point is. If you want degree pay. Get a degree |
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They hiring. So you have a global brand. But UK people don't like Dyson.. So yep. Anyway with the ST brand in your resume you can easily go into Dyson or etc. As compared to if you worked in some tan ah kow Pte Ltd Brand name is always good. You got degree. Then complain about non degree... So basically you're saying you are the incompetent degree holder and that your non degree colleagues are more knowledgable than you. And they don't want to share or teach you.. So now I see |
People in ST just want to retire la.
They don't want to upgrade skill or learn new things or compete with the world best engineering. Why? Cause work hard also don't translate to promotion or high pay. Engineers in ST is treated like **** while the managers get promoted higher and higher and they retain the power. In other company you don't bring in value out you go. ST you have the connection, you come in straight away become senior manager... And can't deliver anything. Just power trip... |
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My advise for you is don't waste your time on those who self entitled dumbasses. |
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'It is like that one lah. you have to learn to accept it. dun be a smart alec.' When I tendered, 'you go other company can survive? what company is this? Is it stable?' I took a paycut and went to another 2 more SME after that before I manage to join an MNC but the role I got is a downgrade because I lack experience but with good attitude and luck because they were my former customers in the SME previously whom I left a good impression. Now my pay is higher than if I stayed on in STE. I know the culture in STE sucks and full of JLB, parachutes and those who won't survive in the outside world. But just leave if you don't like the company because they won't change so no need to whine about it. I left and have no regrets. |
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When I joined the new company, although it's still a multitasking role, there are much more things to learn about, like handle projects, maintain systems, perform trials for R&D products, join project tenders, etc. These are experiences that cannot be learnt in a single engineer role in STE. You need to be a PM, engineer, marketing, etc. to experience all these. Many of those I know who left STE joined the private sector for only a short while before going back to STE or joined public service. Coincidentally, all these people excel in their studies. |
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When I left STE to the SME, I could not get used to the multi tasking and pace. But slowly got used to it. When I moved to my current MNC, I could not get used to a systematic and structured management, their demand in knowledge and experience, the exposure and corporate code of conduct are all culture shock to me. The culture is very different from STE but more suitable for me. I get global exposure and learn a lot of things. But I known people from ST being unable to adjust themselves to the pace and performance driven culture in the private sector so they returned back to STK, M or E. If you CMI in the private sector, then acknowledge it and go back to ST. Really up to the individual No right or wrong. |
After reading this thread, I am glad STE rejected all my applications as an engineer.
I am working in private sector for 9 years with a diploma and got a part time degree 2 years back. Maybe they deem NTU NUS as the potentials instead. Moving forward, I have managed to get offered by DSO, and shortlisted by ministries and stat boards if not for the rejection by STE. It is a blessing in disguise indeed. |
I left STE to pursue a higher pay in a MNC but didn't realised that the higher pay resulted in longer working hours.
Yes I'm earning more now. 300 more but I wonder does it justify the longer hours now. Cause sometimes when I am being yelled at by customer and have to work thru the night... I wonder is the pay worth it? I then made a humiliating step... I went back to STE and I realised how slack STE is. Maybe that's why they justify the much much lower pay. I also realised that lower pay means lower stress also |
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When a job is too slack for me, I will feel bored and wasting my life. Thus, I have to make a decision whether to have a not so slack job while learning at the same time or to have a slack job and be stagnant forever. I won't think $300 extra doesn't justify the extra work. I would think that this extra actually lets me do things that are new to my ex job and this is the value added. Yes meeting difficult customers sucks, but to think it from another perspective, it actually teaches you how to deal with different people. It builds up your skills and that is a soft skills not obtainable easily. |
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Except that MNC culture is not for everyone. Too global, too competitive, too fast. So those who cannot take it have to go. That's why we have a global community in this company. But those who can take it can continue getting the better rewards. Like the other poster who mentioned how slack STE is, that's why the pay is lower. |
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when you jump to another company, make sure it is worth the jump. 300 is not worth the jump. |
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When I was in ST increment was like 130 plus. That's 2 years pay jump smart ass |
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I average out a 210/year of increment in an MNC and I am not even a degree holder. You need to move. |
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In MNC it depends on individual and company performance. I have seen those who got 0% because of losses and poor performance. My highest was 10% that year we made decent profits in our region. The factor deciding is never by paper qualifications. |
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Many who entered STE the same time as me also had left, even if they were promoted and converted to perm. The pay package wasn't the only problem, but definitely was part of the bigger issue. Since the appraisal gradings are ultimately decided / approved by the senior management, there's only so much things a supervisor can sell for this subordinate. |
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If you think it is good, then don’t complained. |
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Please think before you write this post. Smart ass |
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