What does it mean to "get hired on the international side", I see laterals to Baker for example parking there licence at Wong&Leow and not the JLV, or saying that they have joined Kennedys but licence parked with Legal solutions. To work in the JLV one needs to register if im not wrong, does it mean they are not on the international side?

Some JLVs/FLAs act as one firm, such as Baker or CC. Everyone gets the same pay.

Others are effectively two firms that operate independently - in that case, you will need to be hired by the appropriate side. E.g. Kennedys and Legal Solutions LLC.

How will alternate E and W TCs frm reed smith, simmons, NRF fare in comparison to a A and G M and A TC?

Does Reed Smith (not resource law) offer TCs nowadays?

Is it true that some people bring their sleeping bags to bill more hours?

It’s true, im the sleeping bag

Does anyone know how firms like Resource Law, MPillay pay?

I know for a fact mpillay is 7.5k NQ

Are you sure NRF really offers E&W tcs?

Are Tech related practices (IP, data protection) good for lateraling to international firms?

Been looking at this question for a while. I don't get it.

You have to do the 1-year conversion, then 2 year E&W course, then finally start as a trainee in a 2-year programme.

When you finish everything, 5 years have gone by. Then when you are NQ - your peers are already 3-4 PQE in local big 4. Furthermore, its 3-4 PQE in their specialised field, i.e., M&A, Banking, ECM, etc. But you have done 4 stints in four 6-month blocks, and not exactly specialised. Then your 3-4 PQE friend laterals in, higher rank than you.

right...?

Likely since it's on the government's job portal

It’s 1-year conversion and then 2 years E&W trainee. At the end of these 3 years, you will be an E&W NQ associate.

Some other considerations, taking CC as an example since their info is public:

1. SG lawyers normally take a 2PQE haircut when they join UK firms.

2. Some UK firms such as CC don’t require a 1 year conversion programme. You qualify in SG in your 1st year and apply for E&W qualification in your 2nd year.

3. No point fixating on PQE in the long run. PQE is only a benchmark for pay and expertise in your early years (first decade in practice, at most).

Pay: the MC firms pay their E&W NQs what the Big 4 pay their SG 6 or 7 year PQEs, so go figure. Even as a trainee, CC pays 10K in your 1st year and 11K in your 2nd year.

Expertise: how good you are in the long run depends on you. You have a lifetime of building up your practice, what’s the rush? ‘More’ PQE at a faster rate as an SG associate means you’ll be assessed for partnership with less experience.

4. Exit opportunities are better. Easier to jump ship to another international firm or a cushy MNC in house position if your starting position was already in an international firm. Brand name counts.

5. How many SG NQs knew what kind of practice suited them in their 2nd or 3rd year of university? Having the time to experiment and pick a practice after 4 seats makes a world of difference.

can confirm that they do offer a dual Sg/E&W TC

It would be about 3 years to qualify, not 5 - 1 year SQE course and then 2 year E&W TC. As far as I know they don't make local grads do the conversion course.

But I take your point, it seems to make more sense for UK grads. For UK grads the path to qualifying in Sg is anyways ~2.5 years (RLT, Part A, Part B, 1 year TC) so ~3 years to qualify in E&W isn't that much of a difference.

still that easy to lateral? Anyone from FSD, B and F can share on the lateralling scene these days?

I thought it's 1 year PGDL then 1.5 years of SQE (SQE 1 and 2), then 2 years of training.

PGDL is only for non-LLB students.

SQE is usually only 1 year, and that is on the higher end (City Consortium course). So in total it is 3 years unless you are a non-LLB student, in which case it will be 4.

SILE should just continue to delist more universities from the UK list.

Notts, Birmingham, Warwick, Queen Mary, Bristol.,. Shitty unis that should be removed.

All Aussie and NZ unis should also be scrapped, with the exception of Melb/UNSW.

So if you can't beat them, get daddy to do it for you. Isn't that right?

Beat them on your own merits, you incompetent fool.

You sound like a jaded local law grad with no prospects of partnership at the firm you're at, jealous of your peers from these unis who have done infinitely better than you. Suck it up buddy.

well said, only UK unis that should remain in the list are Cambridge, LSE, UCL, Durham, Oxford. Rest should be delisted

Incels alert.

This is why Singapore lawyers with these types of attitude will never reach the height of UK lawyers.

In London, there is no protectionist measures to baby you and make sure no one can/will steal your job. Over there, if you're good, you're good- regardless of which uni you went to.

Then overseas grads should just stay overseas and compete in those open, anti-protectionist legal markets. Why run back to enjoy the benefits of the very protectionist market you so despise? Your inability to grasp the irony and paradoxical nature of your arguments is a testament to the subpar quality of overseas law grads.

Based on my own personal experience working with trainees from Local U like NUS and comparing them to trainees from Bristol/Warwick/Birmingham, can confirm that the difference in skill is suffocatingly huge and I would pick a NUS law grad over any of those unis any day, no hesitation.

I have seen trainees from UCL/LSE/Durham who exceeded my expectations and perform even better than those from NUS on certain occasions but since I have only met a few of them the sample size is too small to give a qualified comment in general.

They definitely need to delist those subpar unis.

I heard the exact same thing coming out of the mouth from a law grad from a delisted uni before.

Wow the insecurity of local grads, as a local grad myself this is just embarrassing to read. This is a salary forum, stick to salaries retards.

This reeks of someone who has never left Sg

Is it true that the CC trainees this year are from NUS / Oxbridge / LSE?

this year means what? what recruitment cycle? starting tc when? cant ask qn properly dont ask

At least his A’s is better than yours mate - no hate

There's an A&O sg trainee literally from Birmingham lol

Jumping on this, what about latham and sidley?

Are you retarded? People ask CC you reply A&O

Batch below has SMU

Latham mostly Oxbridge/NUS. Historically a few London unis too.
Don't think Sidley has a batch yet but could be wrong. No one on linkedin at least

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Anyone heard of PDLegal (I think previously known asPeter Doraisamy LLC?) Thinking of doing an internship or training there.

Very cheapskate lowball salaries

Australian and ****-tier UK degree mill grads are triggered