Ey admits so many assurance partners each year sial

几够力一下. we are more hardworking and more loyal than Singaporeans who don't like to OT

Got idiot SM ask me before which procedures should we perform during interim. Hello, you are the manager leh. Shouldn't you brief the team on the procedures instead? The SM expects you to brief him instead and lead the discussion during partner meeting

Sounds like my SM too. Too reliant on seniors and associates while enjoying their 12k/monthly.

So SM is 12k per month? Bonus?
How old is your SM?
After SM is director?

You are paid based on your contributions and value add to the firm. And you really got to believe that everyone except the partners are squeezed hard in the firms. Everyone has only 24 hours and the partners expect the managers to know everything about their engagements and it is not one or two engagements only.

If you have that little dose of common sense you would know that there wont be any managers tendering if they are having it good.

“I dont mind doing stuff that is within my grade”-the fieldwork is precisely what you should be doing, not the managers, unless it is high risk areas in listed Cos.

So naive of you to say you will help out when you havent reach that stage.

Every year the engagement team smaller and smaller. Stil forced to follow the same timeline. How to complete in time??

So you really think the SM don’t know what procedures to perform at interims? Are you really that stupid? There are direct and indirect coaching. You are too low level to know what it is.

And you need to be daring enough to get the seniors to present in meetings. Cause there are too many idiotic seniors like you who anyhow answer and got pwned by partners’ baiting questions.

behkan and lazy SM spotted

lazy to explain just say lah. You must be those behkan managers who thinks coaching is just throwing everything to the staff and seniors and panic and kpkb when things do not go according to plan. I will make sure I pwn these stupid, lazy managers by doing the bare minimum so that you will tio kan by partner and client and hentak kaki. I know there are many beta staff who always get bullied by managers by I am not one of them.

You must be naive to think it’s coaching. Some managers really don’t know wtf is going on in the engagement that’s why they ask these seniors and associates to speak out during the meeting. There are even those managers that even agree what the seniors and associates discussed with them before the partner meeting, and scolding them when the meeting doesn’t turn well or turn as it is expected.

Dude of course I know fieldwork is our responsibility. I was referring to adhoc tasks that managers are assigned to do but they chose to throw it to their seniors to do it without guidance, such as audit proposals to bid for potential engagements or even admin stuff that their partners have tasked the managers to do it personally.

Of course I will do it. Dude if you are paid 10k you are expected to do responsibility that is worth 10k and that’s common sense LOL

Got time jjww on online forum, maybe think abt how u manage junior staffs and engagements allocated under u, cos u got that 5 figure salary for managing these well. If u ask the seniors not to complain abt fieldwork, maybe u should stop complaining abt having to tahan with overseeing multiple engagements too. Both are our job scopes right?

So far hardly anyone complain on this thread cos of doing fieldwork right? If they do just mean that they don’t like this industry and work, and nothing against the SM. But right now all off is are discussing mg : why is there a clear distinction between some SM we want work for and work with vs someone who is tras*h?

I think the answer is quite obvious by how u phrase your comments “naive”,”little common sense “ blah blah, seem like a toxic SM under your natural habitat of phrasing anything in a way that is being paggro AF

Oof and Ofc we are back to the “you are strawberries who can’t take genuine comments” and “I’m not paid to be your teacher /nice “arguments; u have reached an age and seniority level whereby any feedbacks given were not taken seriously, rather u made sweeping statements abt ppl being lazy/incompetent

You are just a toxic person. And the reason why big 4 are toxic is because ppl like this stay for 20 years and made partner (or u may not )

Dont xian la.. go seminar how many M/SM always ask dumb questions. Not all of them good in technical.

And if the SM so good they should go start up. Not hiding in that place shaking legs.

SM pay is between 9 to 15k depending on YOE and engagement portfolio. Typical if you are a male you should be hitting SM at age 33 or 34.

Yes after SM is director, but being a director indirectly means that you can’t be a partner anymore.

heard that blue is getting a new office soon? Anyone can give the address for that?

Zai ppl in my team leave immediately after hitting 5 years and promoted to M

Those that stay on long either die hard want to be partner (lmao) or just too cui to make the cut for a finance manager role in a good MNC, so they suck thumb continue work in big 4 as the salary is acceptable in big 4 once M and they have good maternity benefits (that’s why a lot of female mgr stay)

Really? They in the old building for so long already

Asia Square lol

If they really moving that’s good news

Lol legit very run down sia the current building

rundown nvm but the fact that the security of the building is so bad!

Are the managers the one complaining here? I only saw a bunch of losers who cant quit and keep jjww here. Please bring your balls and complain directly to that SM if it is still between your legs.

And no i am a former employee, not in big 4 now. Just cant stand the nonsense posts by you losers here.

You keep talking about toxicity, yet you all are ones that keep spreading toxicity here.

At least asia square is nearer to the mrt, wonder how many floors they taking up lol

can someone rank the big 4 in terms of corporate tax?

In terms of number of clientele,
Tax: KPMG > Ey = Pwc > Deloitte
Audit: Ey > Pwc = KPMG > Deloitte
Risk advisory: KPMG > ey=pwc=deloitte

Industry plays a big role too, for eg
Ey audit is better for tmt, pwc audit better for financial services

EY HR working hard here sial

lololol more clientele sooo? U not partner right more client just means more work lah as simple as that

If u just want 5 years and get out, just choose the one where your friend is inside and team culture is ok. Commercial recruiter won’t care u from which of the 4 houses cos they all the same

Hi guys can someone give me advice. I got
2 offers, 1 for big 4 auditor another for grabfood driver. Grab pay significantly more and got more recognition and better exit ops but progression almost non existent. Should i suffer now
and join big 4 be partner?

Definitely big 4 sia bro. Grab driver progression slow, at least 2-3 years before u up from gold to platinum

Was in the same position as you. I decided to go be a safe distancing ambassador instead of Big 4 auditor. Try to pivot out of accounting if you can. Best is if can pivot from audit to cleaner but a lot of competition currently. Best of luck bro

It really is a trash building.

But bad thing about asia Square is the food court is so expensive that auditors won't be able to afford it. Have to walk to at least Shenton house side to tapao.

Shenton house is more apropos to where auditors should be hanging out. Leave asia square to the front office high fin bros like us

Do you know what is the new restaurant replacing 63? I have left asia square for golden shoe.

No idea but I always used to bring my xmm interns there for happy hour drinks, fun times :)

They should just have relocated to Shenton House, in fact all of the big 4 should be based there. More fitting of their place in the food chain hahah

Grant Thornton on the 40th floor of AS1, u ask KPMG to go shenton house? Small 4?

wats is the ranking for tax for mid tier firms?

hope the ytf at shenton house still there, otherwise have to go all the way to amoy or maxwell already

ytf is my favourite...if they move i am jumping down from shenton house

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