Originally Posted by randomfreshgrad (Post 263666)

i know, unfortunately im part of the "AAA" cohort when i applied before NS, and graduating when the course transitioned in that 6 years.

Originally Posted by randomfreshgrad (Post 263649)

hello current or ex auditors!

im about to graduate and am looking for job. Currently have an offer from kpmg start $3.6k (heard from my friend he was offered 3.5k from EY). But of course I was thinking if Im going to exit audit next time, might as well straight join the industry right? Or should I unwillingly join audit to springboard to better roles in 1-2 yrs time? Currently not getting accepted for all those management associate programmes so abit sian (barely 2nd upper)

For context I will be going financial service so would joining Banks as entry level staff be better? (e.g. Treasury, AML, Credit, etc.)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263659)

Back then our documentations and regulations were much simpler so we actually had the time to learn business domain knowledge. A few of my batchmates even used it to help start a business in the industry they audited.

But it's not possible anymore these days due to the workload. When I hear my niece telling me about what auditors have todo these days, I feel that there is no way auditors have the time to learn anything useful these days, like you guys even have to work on engagements while doing audit training. I've even been asking around to help her leave but she will need to start from fresh grad level, in that case what is even the point of joining audit in the first place? You are even forbidden from opening bank accounts and buying stocks of companies you don't even work on.

Honestly the Big 4 in Singapore should just change their name to Poh Wan Cheng Pte Ltd and Kok Phua Mun Goh Pte Ltd since they seem to be no different from Chinaman firms.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263667)

You bet on the wrong horse, else you just jump bandwagon without knowing anything about the horse.

People with CCC in your cohort who chose comp science now probably earning way more than you.

Originally Posted by randomfreshgrad (Post 263669)

I also noticed that during my internship. Apart from the workload, auditors even need to present data analytics things as part of the 'AI trend', on top of all those tight deadline. What's worse is that I honestly think that the end product the team had was really a waste of time but the higher ups insist on wanting them because "client will be impressed".

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263674)

if 80% of the big 4 audit industry is malaysian, it also means 80% of those on PIP are malaysian.

What partners realize by now is malaysias are cmi. Weekend they go back their home country and never do work.
of course there are outstanding goods ones who are more than willing to throw their life away for 3.5 and afford a bungalow to retire in malaysia.

I do hope more locals join big 4, so that we can put these malaysians in place. less space for them JHK means better culture.

i'm an ex big 4, and i always protect my singaporean A1s.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263674)

if 80% of the big 4 audit industry is malaysian, it also means 80% of those on PIP are malaysian.

What partners realize by now is malaysias are cmi. Weekend they go back their home country and never do work.
of course there are outstanding goods ones who are more than willing to throw their life away for 3.5 and afford a bungalow to retire in malaysia.

I do hope more locals join big 4, so that we can put these malaysians in place. less space for them JHK means better culture.

i'm an ex big 4, and i always protect my singaporean A1s.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263674)

if 80% of the big 4 audit industry is malaysian, it also means 80% of those on PIP are malaysian.

What partners realize by now is malaysias are cmi. Weekend they go back their home country and never do work.
of course there are outstanding goods ones who are more than willing to throw their life away for 3.5 and afford a bungalow to retire in malaysia.

I do hope more locals join big 4, so that we can put these malaysians in place. less space for them JHK means better culture.

i'm an ex big 4, and i always protect my singaporean A1s.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 263659)

Back then our documentations and regulations were much simpler so we actually had the time to learn business domain knowledge. A few of my batchmates even used it to help start a business in the industry they audited.

But it's not possible anymore these days due to the workload. When I hear my niece telling me about what auditors have todo these days, I feel that there is no way auditors have the time to learn anything useful these days, like you guys even have to work on engagements while doing audit training. I've even been asking around to help her leave but she will need to start from fresh grad level, in that case what is even the point of joining audit in the first place? You are even forbidden from opening bank accounts and buying stocks of companies you don't even work on.

Honestly the Big 4 in Singapore should just change their name to Poh Wan Cheng Pte Ltd and Kok Phua Mun Goh Pte Ltd since they seem to be no different from Chinaman firms.