??? Where do these people come from??? Other ST BU?

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That's also one possibility. Dunno encountered how many from this division jump join another division. Then quit join another "company" at iurong east. Then quit go outside. Xsnf survive then rejoin back original division.

Its almost like they just can't find work outside. Wanna quit cause low pay. Go outside have to work for the pay don't want. Then suck thumb come back to retirement village

What??? Seriously? They sound like epic losers.
Why don't they work and value add? It's the same everywhere else. People Work to get things done and value add to justify why they deserve a job in the company.

Ask yourself la.
If you get paid 4k.
- come to work late.
- breakfast until 945 am.
- morning some casual discussion.
- lunch 1130 am until 130 pm.
- come back type some email or PowerPoint
- your colleagues all the same kind
- all go home 530 pm

Compared with
If you get paid 4.5k
- work 10 hours per day including weekend
- client keep demanding update / boss keep rushing you
- overtime everyday
- lunch also short cause all your colleagues eat lunch at their desk
- nobody leaves at 530
- average most people leave at 7 pm
- since so late people stay back 2 more hours to claim cab

So for that extra 500. Is it worth it?

That's why the ST mentality all want to retire. All the good talents leave.

I spent the 5 years just going in circles doing documentation because projects drag too long and requirements keep changing. Since I cannot receive any deliverables, I end up just helping with small projects or do documentation. Basically, I became a technical admin so anyone who needs documentation for their projects will find me.

My current role while not as technical, involves a lot of thinking, planning and answering to the customers myself. Basically I am the bridge between my bosses, the customers and our partners so I am exposed to more aspects of business instead of just pure engineering, rather "engineering".

Read through the thread randomly gives me the impression that ST works on a different set of rules. How can a company survive this long if that's how they work. Unless they have political backing or some long term injection of funds from a bottomless jug into a bottomless pit just like ST that got 900million over 5 years despite the disappointing performance. Otherwise, it is impossible for incompetence and complacency to breed for so long that it becomes a private playground for the long time employees.

Customer Requirements changing is common. But 5 years going in circles doing documentation is a waste of time. Don't you all track your productivity? Like having a ceiling manhour/cost allowable so attention can be diverted to other projects that are making money? Because that's what we do.

And 5 years doing that without leaving? what took you so long??

ST Work mostly from one place one and all auto come one that why need clearance.

Plus st also hired alot of the ppl from this client and let them retire in st what.

ST job normally auto come de. Plus alot of purachute into st management as well that why st culture so cmi

I used the time in my 3rd and 4th year to ask my bosses to send me for courses since I will get certifications and need no serve any bond. Criteria is that I must get the certification.

I left 3 months before my 5 year mark.

As for requirements, if you get a marketing department that just sign contracts without caring if terms can be delivered and PMs who can't be bothered to keep track on anything, everything else won't happen except for delays and delays.

Seriously?? That's the first time I am hearing a company like this exists.
What is the sort of project planning you have? Like phase, milestones and deliverables?

bro me puzzled too, lol, no liabilities eh?

actually the company is good, they just dont want you to join lah

Like this the troller very hardworking keep posting sia

i have never heard a company can survive this long with that sort of culture. They like to use words like parachute from customer who become your boss, anyway what is parachute?? ask customer to close eyes on projects that failed... seriously??? They dare to do that???, leave ST then cannot survive elsewhere and many came back to ST??? How is this real? People leave and don't go back unless it is an increment or higher post and they go back because their previous company asked them to. Super long tea break or lunch and nothing better to do. This is just incredulous. How can a company survive this long with this type of culture. How can such a company exist???

From the place I’m from, sure will kanna liquidated damages.
Don’t know how they can survive and slp soundly 😂

Ya. So i don't believe ST will ask customer to close eyes. Customers will sue them. Parachute? I don't even know what do they mean by that. How to parachute a customer in to become your boss? What nonsense.

Seems like many are unaware of the MINDEF culture in ST. Parachute simply means your MINDEF customer suddenly retired and got offered mgmt role in ST as his 2nd career post 45 years old. They dare to ask customer close 1 eye because customers are mainly from defence sector and ST folks are likely ex defence folks who know the customers at a friend-friend level during their time in MINDEF.

The initial plan is there, but they forgot the most important things they have to do: plan, manage and communicate. They just leave it to those under them to deal with the customers.

Not all PMs are like that, but there are certainly more than 1 black sheep.

They will find ways to appease the customers, but those doing the technical work will suffer.

Impossible. I don’t believe because this is too unprofessional. I have ex-colleagues who became customers/suppliers. We treat each other professionally at work even though we drink together, doesn’t matter if it is post 35, 45 or 55 years old. I CANNOT ask a customer even if he is my close friend to close eye. Neither will my friends who happen to be my suppliers do that to me. As a professional, we have to account to our management, customers, society at large and whatever interested parties defined in our ISO9001 quality manual. There is no such thing as ownself check ownself because I will either get a big fat nonconformance for rectification or the police will be involved, true for a staff as it is for the top management. My projects are all auditable by quality, finance etc. Even going to lunch with suppliers/customers, accepting gifts even on private context, business trips are mandated by global corporate compliance with strict guidelines like not more than USD$1 or not allowed. You violate that guideline, you either get dismissed or you face the law.

What sort of plan? Do you have a high level common description?
Something like this? Of course this is just a very rough high level description. There are RASCI matrixes, pugh matrixes, many deliverables linked to each phase and gate

Phase 1: Concept
Gate 1: Concept Acceptance
Phase 2: Development
Gate 2: Design Verification aka SIT
Phase 3: Testing
Gate 3: Design Validation aka UAT
Phase 4: Safe Launch
Gate 4: Pilot
Phase 5: Transfer to Operations
Gate 5: Project handover
Phase 6: Feedback
Gate 6: Project closure

If everything happens so nicely as you described, we won't need audit dept anymore. :o

No. Everyone should be subjected to audit with or without the optimistic environment, regardless how nicely things are happening. Because in MNC corporate entities, the impression of ownself check ownself must never be presented even when there is no corruption. This is accountability to staff, customer, suppliers, society and authorities. They must be given the confidence as much as possible with evidence they can see and experience to the best of our capabilities. And this is basic MNC knowledge and behavior.

Cannot be so cui la, if not our national security how

Agreed. I don't believe there is such a thing called parachute in ST. How can you throw someone with no experience running the BU into a position just for the sake of retirement. This is plain stupid from the perspective of value creation. And how can they ask customer to close eyes??? How much money are they going to pump into the organization to sustain these incompetence? Describing the company as though it is straight out of a **** hole. Seriously... This is too far fetched.

Reality rating: 0/10

You go and see linkedln, where all the department head was from....

There are senior management who are retired SAF generals or former high ranking officials from civil service and stat boards.

I didn't check them out. But I don't think a company as big as ST hires only from 1 source especially with senior management. This is a taboo in talent management. Just sounds too incredulous. Diversity allows the organization to tap on the varied human resources so that they can harness the best from a wider pool of talents. I worked in a few MNCs in my whole working life and I have colleagues from a very wide pool of nationality and background globally. With competition worldwide, we have to stay ahead of competition so diversity definitely works in our favour.

Of course not all senior management staff are from SAF or civil service. However, when they are sourced to take over business functions in a technical company like ST, it is glaring and does raise questions. This is especially so when people cannot relate the skills set from military and civil service to an electronics company, probably other than people skills.

Just my own experience, when they come in, the changes made usually lowers morale.

Oi go work la. Ask you come work is to do work, not to chit chat on forum la. Lazy buggers.

What changes? For example?

This guy sound not local sia ..

He sounds local to me. Just not the ignorant type of local.

So How? Got bonus anot?

Got, just for the higher ups lor

Wa Heng Ah. Lucky I'm up there already.

you are lucky to keep your job, no bonus this year.

bonus for m2 upwards only

don't be a troll pls, got bonus for all

zero is also bonus