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Unregistered 11-03-2021 10:18 AM
Yeah ST is hiring now...
Which other company is actively hiring during covid..

Please join us. We need people to meet deadline...

Unregistered 11-03-2021 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158607)
Yeah ST is hiring now...
Which other company is actively hiring during covid..

Please join us. We need people to meet deadline...
Safety distancing ambassador and tray return officer

Unregistered 11-03-2021 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158609)
Safety distancing ambassador and tray return officer
I don't see anymore safety distancing police liao.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158641)
I don't see anymore safety distancing police liao.
Open your eyes bigger, many of them still patrolling

Unregistered 11-03-2021 02:44 PM
i jumped from ST to CS few years back

pay jumped too, never look back once

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158602)
Not all divisions or business units are the same la.
When people think of ST Engineering, they just think of defence work...

Got mrt got bus got research lab...
The retirement sentiment maybe true in the defence side but other sides still have exciting and real world and fun challenges..
The lack of manpower, high turn over rate and crazy cost cutting is applicable across all divisions.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158582)
I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.

Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...

Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...

Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..

In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.

Oh what a surprise...

If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...

I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.

ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...

Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.

That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
At least your management still negotiate. For me, I asked for one fresh grad because I can easily do knowledge transfer. Reject immediately. Tell me no more headcount, no budget but happily assign me to do researching and testing of new methodologies and supporting >5 projects.

End up I also left. As there was no one to take over me, my tasks were split among the rest of the team, giving them back their actual responsibilities. The research part was given to their favourite newly promoted high-flier FCH M1.

After I left I realised how much I was underpaid. My responsibilities were all from M2 and M1 engineers but I was paid as E5. My new position isn't the highest paying out there, but I know I'm definitely paid more fairly than before at ST.

These old timers refused to plan for succession. One day when many of them were to retire, there will definitely be chaos because they have to either parachute army officers in or promote current staff to middle and senior management without much experience. Probably they will solve the issue with another reorganisation. It will also be the time they wake up from their cushy jobs.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158654)
i jumped from ST to CS few years back

pay jumped too, never look back once
Bluff la there is a thread that says how CS have no progression...
Low pay...

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158659)
The lack of manpower, high turn over rate and crazy cost cutting is applicable across all divisions.
But ST still managed to net profit every year including covid year.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158660)
At least your management still negotiate. For me, I asked for one fresh grad because I can easily do knowledge transfer. Reject immediately. Tell me no more headcount, no budget but happily assign me to do researching and testing of new methodologies and supporting >5 projects.

End up I also left. As there was no one to take over me, my tasks were split among the rest of the team, giving them back their actual responsibilities. The research part was given to their favourite newly promoted high-flier FCH M1.

After I left I realised how much I was underpaid. My responsibilities were all from M2 and M1 engineers but I was paid as E5. My new position isn't the highest paying out there, but I know I'm definitely paid more fairly than before at ST.

These old timers refused to plan for succession. One day when many of them were to retire, there will definitely be chaos because they have to either parachute army officers in or promote current staff to middle and senior management without much experience. Probably they will solve the issue with another reorganisation. It will also be the time they wake up from their cushy jobs.
You dumb la.
Should just act average and slack then you won't get much work.
You hero want to show skills. Obviously they will give to people with skills.

Keep to survival in ST is don't be below average. Just average can liao.
Don't overwork. Then just be nice to your old seniors can liao. You can't get promoted with intellect and hardwodk.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158664)
You dumb la.
Should just act average and slack then you won't get much work.
You hero want to show skills. Obviously they will give to people with skills.

Keep to survival in ST is don't be below average. Just average can liao.
Don't overwork. Then just be nice to your old seniors can liao. You can't get promoted with intellect and hardwodk.
ST motto is not "Engineering your future"
It's "be average, good enough"

Unregistered 11-03-2021 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158664)
You dumb la.
Should just act average and slack then you won't get much work.
You hero want to show skills. Obviously they will give to people with skills.

Keep to survival in ST is don't be below average. Just average can liao.
Don't overwork. Then just be nice to your old seniors can liao. You can't get promoted with intellect and hardwodk.
I did not act hero. Those are the things I'm tasked with since day one. Of course I assumed that was my default workload. So how I know those jobs were unwanted by them? Only when I was leaving my RO told me the truth.

I know you are very clever, probably earning big bucks way more than I am, but no need to call people dumb especially when you have no insight into all the backstories.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158661)
Bluff la there is a thread that says how CS have no progression...
Low pay...
in every organisations, there are sure somebody who are the worst performers

maybe the threadstarter of that thread is like that, that's why he said he has no progression

my avg increment at CS is way better than mine at ST last time

overall annual package also much better

Unregistered 11-03-2021 04:20 PM
Bonus letter?

Unregistered 11-03-2021 04:35 PM
Is there any hope for promotion this year? Since quite a number of ppl left the company since covid last year.

Sure got some vacancies for the senior role.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158665)
ST motto is not "Engineering your future"
It's "be average, good enough"
Power lah, they should recruit out of the SAF.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158677)
Is there any hope for promotion this year? Since quite a number of ppl left the company since covid last year.

Sure got some vacancies for the senior role.
Maybe got chance. After next Friday, chance will be higher.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 05:05 PM
What are the common exit options?

Unregistered 11-03-2021 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158679)
Maybe got chance. After next Friday, chance will be higher.
Wah!!! thanks. looking forward to my promotion.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158678)
Power lah, they should recruit out of the SAF.
you don't know most of the managers are head hunted from SAF one meh?
thats why its retirement village, from SAF come and rule in ST.

Unregistered 11-03-2021 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158700)
you don't know most of the managers are head hunted from SAF one meh?
thats why its retirement village, from SAF come and rule in ST.
Didn't know that, guess there is some truth to what an earlier poster was saying about ST being a jiak liao bee place.

Unregistered 12-03-2021 11:16 AM
anyone work for info sec? is it the same ?

Unregistered 12-03-2021 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158842)
anyone work for info sec? is it the same ?
Parent company is still ST Electronics. You get my point.

Unregistered 12-03-2021 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158852)
Parent company is still ST Electronics. You get my point.
Infosec don't exists anymore.
Just like ST Electronics doesn't exists anymore.

I can tell alot of troll don't work here.
Just spreading fake news.

Unregistered 12-03-2021 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158707)
Didn't know that, guess there is some truth to what an earlier poster was saying about ST being a jiak liao bee place.
What is jiak liao bee.

All those head hunted are chosen cause they are supposed to have leadership quality or connection to the other side... With that connection, hopefully can work closely with the other side to smooth cooperation.

But usually they just retire here. Don't really contribute much and the only thing keeping them here is their connection. So they failed to bring in business. But they are given entitled Senior manager high management role. Perm job.

Very hard to justify paying 10 to 15k to those managers but they don't really add any value.
So end up we detest all this managers. Then when their time is up. They just move to another division to wreck havoc. With even higher pay... While the engineers forever stay as cheap labor..

That my friend is the world of ST.
You rarely see people rise up thru promotion.
Its usually just they transfer someone who was already promoted to another function. Then can't really pefrom in that role... Promoted and shift to another unit..

Unregistered 12-03-2021 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158858)
Infosec don't exists anymore.
Just like ST Electronics doesn't exists anymore.

I can tell alot of troll don't work here.
Just spreading fake news.
Because many are former staff who already see through things and left.

Unregistered 12-03-2021 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158858)
Infosec don't exists anymore.
Just like ST Electronics doesn't exists anymore.

I can tell alot of troll don't work here.
Just spreading fake news.
Exist or not, the people managing the company are still the same. Changing the packaging but keep the same stale recipe don't work.

Unregistered 12-03-2021 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158868)
Exist or not, the people managing the company are still the same. Changing the packaging but keep the same stale recipe don't work.
You all left liao then why still lurk here.
Love this place so much you miss it ah?

Just go away.
ST is a good place to work. I know some colleagues. We still buddy buddy

Unregistered 12-03-2021 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 158868)
Exist or not, the people managing the company are still the same. Changing the packaging but keep the same stale recipe don't work.
You are right rebranding just change legal company name only.
Same building. Same address. Same people. Only difference is the management might change abit.
Or those selected to replace are also groomed from the same flock.

ST will only truly transform when the pioneer management all retire..
Until then this company is still being controlled by all this stuck in between old generation and new generation

Unregistered 14-03-2021 11:29 AM
Any news of bonus

Unregistered 14-03-2021 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159150)
Any news of bonus

surprisingly, got bonus this year

Unregistered 14-03-2021 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159159)
surprisingly, got bonus this year
Email out?

Unregistered 14-03-2021 03:07 PM
any news of salary increment after last year freeze? are we expecting 6% to make up for last year or is it going to be just 3% effectively setting back everyone by 1 year?

Unregistered 14-03-2021 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159165)
any news of salary increment after last year freeze? are we expecting 6% to make up for last year or is it going to be just 3% effectively setting back everyone by 1 year?
is there news on bonus?

Unregistered 14-03-2021 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159166)
is there news on bonus?
probably minimal bonus again

Unregistered 14-03-2021 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159165)
any news of salary increment after last year freeze? are we expecting 6% to make up for last year or is it going to be just 3% effectively setting back everyone by 1 year?
in 2020 - miss out increment (lag by 3%)
in 2021 - expected (get back the lag 3% , and the 3% for 2021),
ie, monthly salary x 1.03 x 1.03

Unregistered 14-03-2021 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159183)
in 2020 - miss out increment (lag by 3%)
in 2021 - expected (get back the lag 3% , and the 3% for 2021),
ie, monthly salary x 1.03 x 1.03
is this real?

Unregistered 14-03-2021 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159183)
in 2020 - miss out increment (lag by 3%)
in 2021 - expected (get back the lag 3% , and the 3% for 2021),
ie, monthly salary x 1.03 x 1.03
shiok means i will get at least 300 dollar increment. Easy

Unregistered 15-03-2021 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 159183)
in 2020 - miss out increment (lag by 3%)
in 2021 - expected (get back the lag 3% , and the 3% for 2021),
ie, monthly salary x 1.03 x 1.03
good that you are so optimistic

Unregistered 15-03-2021 07:52 AM
I also wonder if management take 20% pay cut. Then salary freeze.

Does it mean when it's back to normal their salary bump up to 26%?


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