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Unregistered 12-10-2019 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124049)
I am from NTU less than 3.8k software engineer , my colleague 2nd lower same salary

I am glad, both of us left the company in less than a year with more than 500 increment in basic. ST is definitely underpay and my hr told me to expect 1.5 mth if your performance is good next year if not just expect 1 mth.

Unregistered 12-10-2019 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124050)
I am glad, both of us left the company in less than a year with more than 500 increment in basic. ST is definitely underpay and my hr told me to expect 1.5 mth if your performance is good next year if not just expect 1 mth.

It is good to know that you and your friend left ST for the market rate. Hope you enjoy your new position and company, and that ST could stop short-changing their engineers.

I would love to join them for their job scope and to contribute meaningfully if they can start paying all engineers the market rate(based on govt's data), but such a disappointment even after almost 3.5 years. Nobody dare to fight for the market rate shows that engineers in ST has got no fighting sprit, easily contented, and no wants for the better, how to even bring the company forward with their engineering solutions to their customers?

Something interesting to share, assuming they have 23,000 employees, 8000 are engineers, you take 40k multiply by 8000 gives S$320,000,000 saving each year. This value could be higher because 40k is based on the differences between fresh grad/entry level engineers in govt stat board and ST (for 2nd class upper), and not on the 20% boost across all grades for engineers, which is non-linear.

Total minimum amount short-changed over 3.5 years, S$1,120,000,000. $_$ CEO's bonus? lol

Unregistered 12-10-2019 11:26 PM

other than job stability, i dun see any benefit in ST.
Engineer as very underpaid.

slightly more than a decade in this coy, promoted 3x since fresh grad E5, annual abt 88-90k nia

Unregistered 13-10-2019 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124052)
other than job stability, i dun see any benefit in ST.
Engineer as very underpaid.

slightly more than a decade in this coy, promoted 3x since fresh grad E5, annual abt 88-90k nia

Imagine your university mate who went to stat board (also got job stability) as an engineer, graduated same time as you, with same degree, same class of honors. Asked "why are you in a dumping ground?" lol.

Or imagine your university mate who went to DSTA or DSO as an engineer, and working together with you on the same project. A collaboration between the above mentioned organization and ST. What is your motivation to carry on and to give your best, knowing that you both are working on the same thing but not paid the same? lol.

Just curious..

Unregistered 14-10-2019 01:47 AM

Just sharing my experience joining st 2 years ago.

I was shocked to see they are still using lotus notes for their email. Thought almost all company uses outlook nowadays.

Some bonuses was planning to be cut, national day bonus etc

The bonus isn't good either if you are not from aerospace or marine.

Very outdated in the ways of doing things in terms of such a big company

I left after 6 months and glad to join another company which pay much higher.

But they are always hiring in terms of huge number of vacancy because of high turnovers so fresh grads who are desperate for a job or looking for experience can apply but just dun expect above average pay without any experience.

Unregistered 14-10-2019 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124086)
Just sharing my experience joining st 2 years ago.

I was shocked to see they are still using lotus notes for their email. Thought almost all company uses outlook nowadays.

Some bonuses was planning to be cut, national day bonus etc

The bonus isn't good either if you are not from aerospace or marine.

Very outdated in the ways of doing things in terms of such a big company

I left after 6 months and glad to join another company which pay much higher.

But they are always hiring in terms of huge number of vacancy because of high turnovers so fresh grads who are desperate for a job or looking for experience can apply but just dun expect above average pay without any experience.

I think engineers (fresh grads or experience hires) are expecting a market rate (as per govt's announcement/data in April 2016). NOT above average or high pay.

And I don't think its a good idea to short-change their engineers for so many years given the fact that govt has expanded and increases their spending on engineering related projects (smart nation, defense, etc) in Singapore which are mostly handled by ST.

It would be good that ST put the additional profits earned to good use. Such as paying their engineers the market rate as per govt's data, and this will (confirm plus chop) reduce the turnover rate, for sure.

I want to stress again - NOT above average or high pay! But the market rate! lol.

I see many engineers left ST for stat board, and this could post a serious problem for ST's succession planning in the coming years. Furthermore, I don't think many engineers want to leave ST either, most of them just don't want to be short-change and be labeled as 'rubbish' in the dumping ground by their peers who graduated the same year with the same credential.

Its a lose-lose situation here, all because ST continues to be ignorance or act blur, which ever, I am not sure.

Peace. J.

Unregistered 21-10-2019 06:47 PM

Private uni com sci fresh grad here. I got offered 3.6k. Isit low in the present market rate?
Should I try aiming for NCS as I got called up for an interview there too?

Unregistered 22-10-2019 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124316)
Private uni com sci fresh grad here. I got offered 3.6k. Isit low in the present market rate?
Should I try aiming for NCS as I got called up for an interview there too?

Should be market rate ba. But too bad they remove the stock option for newcomer

Unregistered 22-10-2019 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124336)
Should be market rate ba. But too bad they remove the stock option for newcomer

Not sure about stock option. But I was told by HR, AWS was removed since 2019.

Unregistered 22-10-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 124336)
Should be market rate ba. But too bad they remove the stock option for newcomer

Well, I don't think so. As long as everyone don't see the 20% salary boost (annual package) across all grades/ranks for engineers (with uni degree) they are still probably not paying engineers the market rate here in Singapore.

Might be paying the market rate of another country without the 20%. But as long as engineers in ST are satisfied for being short-change here in Singapore, and proud to say that they are an engineer in ST, then I think should not be an issue. lol.


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