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Unregistered 20-08-2010 05:21 PM

If you are working in stat board, it is just like working in SAF.
I remember some of the top civil servant have said:

When it come to time of storm, the foreigner talent "fled" while they themselves stay to fight the war.

I'm have nothing against FT or anyone but if i look at the other way, these FT are make the scapegoat during "storm" (forced to leave and put all blame onto them) while these so call top civil servant/ top leaders seized the opportunity to score points.
(Of course they themselves are not the one doing the actual job but arrow those below them to pian for them)..... That's life in civil service and our so call LEADERS doing public service. :(

Unregistered-9090 20-08-2010 09:27 PM

someone has to be the sacrificing carpet right ? that's life of civil service that i see.
please tell me to look on the bright side.

Unregistered 21-08-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7006)
My background:
2nd upper EEE from NTU, not a scholar, graduate in year2000

Year 2000 ($2500mthly gross) to 2007 ($3500 mthly gross) - Private sector
Job satisfaction : Ok, got sense of achievment in term of project work and outcome

Now - 38 year old .

Stat board : Airport
Starting pay was $3.7K in 2007
Now $4.7K gross monthly salary (doesnt include the bonuses).
Average performer: Every year default C grade (1.5mth PB)
Employment: 2years + 3 years contract (Not even perm)
Job satisfaction : Lousy, alot of backstabbing, non-ethical because of PB. Bosses just want to protect own backside. Different team within division will try to push responsiblity to the others when things happen. Job is more focus on writting "beautiful" essay (may be non-ethical and does not reflect the actual situation) to get extra funding and pushing responsibility to other party. The main objective/ motto is : As long as the ball is not in my court, it none of my business. If something happen, pass the hot potato to someone else.

1k over 3 years is very good increment (and this is only for a C grader). Especially when the economy wasn't that good the last couple of years. Airport seems to pay v well.

Unregistered 21-08-2010 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 021287B (Post 6524)
anybody working in govt sector with a private degree (unsim etc), I'm really interested to pursue a degree level entry into a govt sector, I'm worried that they would be biased against ppl with private degrees.

If any of you are in, may i know what is your starting pay and in which industry?

I'm looking into entering People's association, i have previously worked in a related stat board for 4 years with my diploma.

Appreciate if someone can give me a reply. thanks!

If you are talking about the PA, a fresh grad guy with NS gets about 2.9k basic. If you have to work shifts or stuff, then add another 450 allowance...

Unregistered 21-08-2010 07:40 PM

2years contract
 
Does anyone here work on a 2yr contract basis? Any stories on whether contract was not renewed or something like that coz i have been offered 3.5k starting with 2yr contract.Mulling over it now..Tks for generous input........

Unregistered-9090 22-08-2010 10:29 AM

i am also pondering over this question, will the contract position be turned to perm ?
i saw an interesting job that i want to apply, but its a 2 year contract.

Unregistered 22-08-2010 06:30 PM

Science is a crappy industry! I'm 31yrs with an MSc. Worked 2yrs with part-time BSc, 6yrs with my MSc and I'm only earning $3.8 now. And to think I'm considered an above average performer. This is what I call pathetic!
And when I switched job last year, HR can tell me that I'm already being paid better than my peers at my age.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 6849)
I'm actually not any better also.

I'm a 28 yrs old science degree holder(pass with merit). Work for 6 years in the private sector. Currently earning only $3.8k per mth. If include bonuses and AWS, my annual income is about $62k for this yr.

My gross pay seems v little as compared to pple in the civil service.. Saw some posting, there are civil servants who earn $4.5k to $5k after working a few yrs. hmm.. I actually tried applying for civil service job in 2006/2007 and was accepted. However I was given a low starting pay of $2.9k and need to work shifts during weekends and evenings. Basic pay without shift allowance is only $2.5k. Even when I apply for teaching, they only offered me $2.5k. So decided to stay with current job.

Wonder when can i even earn $5k per mth? Seems so far to reach... After looking at this forum, was wondering whether I can try applying for civil service job again.. The pay scale seems much better than before.


Unregistered 22-08-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7049)
Science is a crappy industry! ... and I'm only earning $3.8 now. And to think I'm considered an above average performer. This is what I call pathetic! ... HR can tell me that I'm already being paid better than my peers at my age.

Are you a scientist or a teacher? Most of my brainiest ex-classmates end up with pathetic pay. Moral: you don't have to top the class to make the most money. In fact luck would go against you!

Unregistered 23-08-2010 08:48 AM

OMG ! I am extremely shocked.

Unregistered 23-08-2010 11:16 AM

profile
 
27 this year, female, graduated in mid-06 with 2nd upper hons (NUS), non-scholar (to state the obvious). started in a stat board with $2.8k, currently drawing $3.9k in civil service.

i'd say this is pretty average.

Unregistered 23-08-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7054)
27 this year, female, graduated in mid-06 with 2nd upper hons (NUS), non-scholar (to state the obvious). started in a stat board with $2.8k, currently drawing $3.9k in civil service.

i'd say this is pretty average.

Can I enquire if you started work in 06 as well, meaning nearly 4 yrs of service?

Unregistered 23-08-2010 12:31 PM

Crap, i am 30 years old male, graduated with pass degree from Uni Melbourne, Got an MBA from University of Western Australia in 2008. Only 2.9k pm. So much lower than those with hon degree and less working exp than me around here!

Unregistered 23-08-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7054)
27 this year, female, graduated in mid-06 with 2nd upper hons (NUS), non-scholar (to state the obvious). started in a stat board with $2.8k, currently drawing $3.9k in civil service.

i'd say this is pretty average.

I assume you start work in july 2006

July 2006 >>> $2800
July 2007 >>> ???
July 2008 >>> ???
July 2009 >>> ???
July 2010 >>> $3900

With 4 years of experience, And I assume you had 1 promotion + 4 years of annual increment.

(3900-2800)/(4+1) = $220

I assume your annual increment for every year is about $220, and when you promoted, u get another $220 increment.

Can you fill in the ??? and which year are you promoted?

Unregistered 23-08-2010 07:07 PM

Scientist.
I agree. Work so hard, publish so many papers also no use.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7050)
Are you a scientist or a teacher? Most of my brainiest ex-classmates end up with pathetic pay. Moral: you don't have to top the class to make the most money. In fact luck would go against you!


Unregistered-9090 23-08-2010 10:41 PM

the more i read, the more i feel like changing job now !

Unregistered 23-08-2010 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7058)
I assume you start work in july 2006

July 2006 >>> $2800
July 2007 >>> ???
July 2008 >>> ???
July 2009 >>> ???
July 2010 >>> $3900

With 4 years of experience, And I assume you had 1 promotion + 4 years of annual increment.

(3900-2800)/(4+1) = $220

I assume your annual increment for every year is about $220, and when you promoted, u get another $220 increment.

Can you fill in the ??? and which year are you promoted?


Hi I'm not sure about the blanks. I can't quite remember each year. Had one promo in my stat bd days, in late 08. Started work in Aug 2006.

Unregistered 23-08-2010 11:39 PM

Stat Board Pay
 
I am poly grad. 27 this year getting 2.6k at stat board. is this normal?

Unregistered 24-08-2010 09:53 AM

does anyone know how long will MOE take to reply those candidates that are unsuccessful in the interview

Unregistered-9090 24-08-2010 10:48 PM

u need to wait for 1 month before any government reply you a yes or a no.

Unregistered 25-08-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered-9090 (Post 7083)
u need to wait for 1 month before any government reply you a yes or a no.

Not necessarily. I recall being called back for 2nd round interview in abt a week's time and subsequently confirmed for the job a couple of days after that.

vel81 25-08-2010 12:20 PM

i am 29 years old. my pay is now $4.6k gross mthtly. Not on professional scheme.
and i am only holding a degree with no hons.

Unregistered 25-08-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vel81 (Post 7091)
i am 29 years old. my pay is now $4.6k gross mthtly. Not on professional scheme.
and i am only holding a degree with no hons.

Question

1. Are you male or female?
2. When or which year/month do you graduate from university/join the ministry?
3. I suppose you got pass or pass with merit degree.

thomas 25-08-2010 06:51 PM

I'm male, 32 this year, BEng (2nd lower).

Worked as a teacher till 29, earning 4.2k when I left.
The 3 years I spent in the teaching service was more siong than NS... my life was totally consumed by work. Teaching itself was alright though :P

When my bond was over, I switched to the private sector, working as a designer. This is my dream job, as I'm passionate about art and design. I was very happy back then, even though I took a 15% paycut.

Now, 2.5 years down the road, I'm making 4k a month, still loving the work. However, I'm getting increasingly disgrunted about my relatively low pay, seeing that the majority of my friends are easily making 1-2k more than me. I'm also somewhat affected by the fact that my work is "non-graduate" in nature... it's silly, I know.

Now seriously considering going back to the teaching service for maybe 500-1000 more per month, is it worth it?

cityhunter66 25-08-2010 08:10 PM

Quite simply, no. Unless you want your life to be consumed by work again.
Work you don't have the passion for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas (Post 7095)
I'm male, 32 this year, BEng (2nd lower).

Worked as a teacher till 29, earning 4.2k when I left.
The 3 years I spent in the teaching service was more siong than NS... my life was totally consumed by work. Teaching itself was alright though :P

When my bond was over, I switched to the private sector, working as a designer. This is my dream job, as I'm passionate about art and design. I was very happy back then, even though I took a 15% paycut.

Now, 2.5 years down the road, I'm making 4k a month, still loving the work. However, I'm getting increasingly disgrunted about my relatively low pay, seeing that the majority of my friends are easily making 1-2k more than me. I'm also somewhat affected by the fact that my work is "non-graduate" in nature... it's silly, I know.

Now seriously considering going back to the teaching service for maybe 500-1000 more per month, is it worth it?


Unregistered 25-08-2010 10:43 PM

I have a question...

do officers on the MX scheme get any year end bonus, or any bonus at all, if they are on probation (ie. join < 1 year)

Unregistered 26-08-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7098)
I have a question...

do officers on the MX scheme get any year end bonus, or any bonus at all, if they are on probation (ie. join < 1 year)

should be at a pro-rated bonus,


eg, if u join the ministry 1st july, then in Dec you got 50% of what the actual bonus is

Unregistered 26-08-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7101)
should be at a pro-rated bonus,


eg, if u join the ministry 1st july, then in Dec you got 50% of what the actual bonus is

ahh cool at least its pro rated. I heard this year is roughly 3 months due to the upbeat economy?

Unregistered 26-08-2010 05:21 PM

For MOE, after the interview does it mean the longer you wait the higher chances you will get the job?

Do they normally inform those unsuccessful first?

Unregistered 27-08-2010 02:09 PM

:)
 
Dear All,

I'm pursuing my Masters in Economics currently and will be graduating by end of this year. I have 4 years of work experience, 2 years in banking ops and 2 years as an educator. My pay is around 3.2K...got a pay cut when I switched from private to public sector.

I am intending to join places like the MAS, MTI etc.

Do you think the chances are slim and what should I state as my expected pay?

Thank you! :)

Unregistered 27-08-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7112)
Dear All,

I'm pursuing my Masters in Economics currently and will be graduating by end of this year. I have 4 years of work experience, 2 years in banking ops and 2 years as an educator. My pay is around 3.2K...got a pay cut when I switched from private to public sector.

I am intending to join places like the MAS, MTI etc.

Do you think the chances are slim and what should I state as my expected pay?

Thank you! :)

Where is your masters from?

Unregistered 27-08-2010 06:05 PM

:)
 
Quote:

Where is your masters from?


Hello,

From the NUS. :)

Unregistered 28-08-2010 01:04 PM

How do you fare?
 
Funny how pple keep asking how they are doing, just plug in your figure at the salary benchmark calculator lah. No need to brag on one hand or wonder if what you are getting is dismal on the other...

Run your own race!

Benchmark Your Monthly Pay By Age & Gender 2009 | Salary.sg - Your Salary in Singapore

Unregistered 28-08-2010 09:53 PM

Not that i want to argue with you. But such benchmarks only provides quantitative feedbacks. Sometimes people prefer a little more qualitative input you see. No harm asking around and being well-informed about the job market.

Of course, run your own race and take every input with a pinch of salt. After all, salary is not the only reward you get out of a job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7119)
Funny how pple keep asking how they are doing, just plug in your figure at the salary benchmark calculator lah. No need to brag on one hand or wonder if what you are getting is dismal on the other...

Run your own race!

Benchmark Your Monthly Pay By Age & Gender 2009 | Salary.sg - Your Salary in Singapore


schade 29-08-2010 12:09 AM

hi, does anyone know what's the jobscope and salary range like for language analysts in MHA? i've also been reading a few pages of this thread and noticed that there seem to be different salary tracks for different ministries (or is it positions?). can someone explain more?

Unregistered 29-08-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered-9090 (Post 7083)
u need to wait for 1 month before any government reply you a yes or a no.

Not really. 1 day later (actually less than 24h), they called me to tell me I got in.

Unregistered 29-08-2010 04:26 PM

anyone knows whats the highest paying stat board/ministry?
(Excluding uniformed groups like SAF,SPF,ICA etc.)

Is DSTA the highest?

Unregistered 30-08-2010 10:13 PM

Agree with you. From the previous inputs, I believe I can get more out from this forum which is why I asked. Not flaunting about anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7123)
Not that i want to argue with you. But such benchmarks only provides quantitative feedbacks. Sometimes people prefer a little more qualitative input you see. No harm asking around and being well-informed about the job market.

Of course, run your own race and take every input with a pinch of salt. After all, salary is not the only reward you get out of a job.


Unregistered 30-08-2010 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vel81 (Post 7091)
i am 29 years old. my pay is now $4.6k gross mthtly. Not on professional scheme.
and i am only holding a degree with no hons.



Care to share your scope? Are you on management executive scheme? $4.6k at 29 year old for a degree with no hons in the public service is quite good.

Unregistered 31-08-2010 02:20 PM

Salary reasonable?
 
Hi,

can i check with you guys? I have a degree from the UK and graduated with a second class lower. With that, I worked in the Stat Board for about 2 years with a starting of $2.7K and ending at $3.3K before I left for further studies.

Now graduated with a Masters, I am returning back to the Civil Service, EDB to be specific. I am offered a starting salary of $3.6k now and I am not sure if this is reasonable or not. It is relatively lower than I expected and it is just $300 more for the 2 years I spent attaining the Masters.

To what I understand, $3.6k is usually a fresh masters pay but I have job experience which was considered.

Can anyone tell me if this is reasonable or I should try asking for alittle more? Thanks!

Unregistered 31-08-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7159)
Hi,

can i check with you guys? I have a degree from the UK and graduated with a second class lower. With that, I worked in the Stat Board for about 2 years with a starting of $2.7K and ending at $3.3K before I left for further studies.

Now graduated with a Masters, I am returning back to the Civil Service, EDB to be specific. I am offered a starting salary of $3.6k now and I am not sure if this is reasonable or not. It is relatively lower than I expected and it is just $300 more for the 2 years I spent attaining the Masters.

To what I understand, $3.6k is usually a fresh masters pay but I have job experience which was considered.

Can anyone tell me if this is reasonable or I should try asking for alittle more? Thanks!

you are under paid.

Fresh NTU/NUS grad with 2nd upper joining DSTA getting about $3580 as starting pay.
1st class getting about $3880. And I mean FRESH GRAD.

For you, armed with master degree + few years of working experience u getting $3600....well is underpaid for sure.


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