Salary package in MOHH
 

Hi, anyone have any idea on the salary package in MOHH corporate side?

Which division? What title?

Senior Associate VS Senior Executive (AGD)
 

hi, anybody can share the difference in the above-mentioned title? what is the mx scheme for those roles? Thanks.

The usual rates have been reinstated. Also, there was a post-Covid adjustment for those hired during Covid (of about $100-200), as they started with dampened salaries.

Senior Manager in SB
 

Offered ~6.5k gross in SB - Senior Manager. Is it normal/low?

it depends on your years of exp

This depends on the grade, job scope and SB. Some agencies are known to inflate their titles so a Senior Manager in one SB could be the same as a Senior Executive in another SB (example).

6+ years? Thanks in advance!

Got offered $8k plus for an AD position in a ministry. 10 years experience. Ppl always complained civil servants having a good and stable life. Actually the pay is really not attractive as compared to private sector.

Sound normal then. The upper band of this grade is for people with 2x exp.

Must consider the overall compensation as public sector has pretty decent bonuses plus more stable employment condition. In private sector one must accept uncertainties.

Assuming the pay is 8K, and a 16 month package, that's $128,000 a year. As of 2022 figures, that's higher than 80% of all resident tax payers. How is that not attractive?

Then don't take lor. Give this chance to other seeking a stable employment in public sector. You can continue to find your desired salary..

Was this part of the 2022 adjustment or separate ?

nowadays public sector also very uncertain with so many contract roles with no perm placement

low pay with uncertainties.

still lower than 1 in 5 people leh.. not cui meh?

Its not lower than 1 in five. You are the 1 in 5.

At 80th percentile it means the top 20% is higher than you lah. And the guy mentioned it is AD position, which is one of the higher positions already? I mean how many SAD/DD are there in the entire civil service population. Comparing to the top ranks of other industries, thats a tad too low.

I don't get your logic...80th percentile across entire taxable population already means this is across industries. If you compare say tech, banking, finance, sure these will likely pay higher. But the vast number of other industries are likely to be the same or lower.

In any case, each to his own. If 80th percentile and higher job security doesn't cut it for you, then it will for someone else :)

Separate. There was a post-Covid adjustment for some Ministries/agencies. Subsequently, another adjustment for all Ministries/agencies.

Can anyone share what the expected salary range of a
fresh phd grad applying for a mngr/snr mngr position in a SB

15,000 SGD is your expected.
It will be negotiated down to 6000 SGD
In the end you will not land the job as you cant be made manager/senior mngr even as fresh phd grad.
Go teach or join as dep mngr first.

This right here. I think about 15 - 20 years ago, regular graduate non-scholarship civil servants were expected to end their careers at MX10 (SAD/DD).

However, in 2013 or 2014, MX11A was introduced as a speed bump to MX10, and it's clear that at this point in time, the vast majority of regular graduates will end their careers here. Some will get to MX10 as DD, and a very small number will make it to director as vanilla MX9s (i.e. on their org's fast track, but not on the Public Service Leadership Programme), but only heading corporate divisions (e.g. HR, finance, planning).

Policy director roles are reserved for 'scholars'.

I keep seeing this kind of dumb posts.

Dumbfks want the security of the public sector with the high pay of the private sector.

Thats what i thought initially and just tried my luck applying.
I ended up getting an interview and was told to provide my referees after the interview.
When talking about the expected salary range after providing my referee,
I was verbally given a range of 3.5k to 4k expected by the hr. This range was below my expected salary range of about 5k+ to 6k+ (after checking on what the range for the role should be)

So i questioned if my research on the range was wrong and was looking for a second opinion

Is it possible that things like relevancy of the qualification bring down the salary that much? Or will the salary differs this greatly depending on which SB it is?

(My degree is not relevant to the role i applied although the JD is relevant TO what I have worked on in my phd research)

No difference as a fresh Uni grad

Having to end the career at 11A is strange as we would expect more to make it to mx10 given that more ppl will aspire to reach higher with their qualifications. Would expect at least 50% to make it to MX10 if they stay long enough?

I suspect only about 5% make it to MX9 (Director), and maybe an additional 15% to MX10.

if im offered with a salary of 6800+ , is that MX11 or MX11a grade?

I originally posted about most people topping out at MX11A - I think your estimate isn't too far off. To the previous poster who mentioned greater aspirations, one has to bear in mind that there are more graduates than before, and hence more MXes entering the system.

Capping people at MX11A helps to control manpower costs, but it's not great for morale when you see unexperienced scholarship holders being pushed up to MX10 DD level (plus they have additional PSLP allowances on top of the basic MX11A salary) in their early 30s (though the question of course would be whether anyone really cares about the morale of the non-scholarship holders in the first place).

Haha quite a few trolls and trash posts here. Big problem though is with the lack of transparency about public-service pay. PSD could do much better. At minimum, generic MX salaries should be posted on PSD's website, with the caveat that they vary between different organizations.

There are just so many variations between organizations, even for MX - the so-called unofficial 'tier 1' ministries such as MOF and MTI pay more, while social ministries such as MSF pay less. And then each statutory board has its own payscales, designations, and specialist schemes.

You'd need to both do a busload of research and talk to enough people in the system who're willing to share to get a really good picture of the pay situation across the public service.

Add on that since things have changed from the old days, where 'standard' promotions were seniority/time-based, there is room for even more variation, which then becomes dependent on luck, timing, and being favoured by the right people.

I suppose that's why during the recent MX 2022 salary revision, they widened the pay range for each grade.

PHD fresh grads get about the same pay as a degree fresh grad in the civil service.

Unfortunately, PhDs are quite worthless outside academia. Same goes for Master's degrees.

depends on role. are you cleaning toilet, test tube or neither?

that is lower than fresh bachelor grad starting. they are telling you to go away

Leaving uniformed group with 12 YOE at 34 (joined as diploma holder) and a degree and going for interview with another ministry for post of M/SM. My last drawn was $5k before bonuses annual package with special bonuses abt 85-90k.

What should I expect for a M/SM salary in a ministry? 6-6.5k realistic?

Ur pay seems damn low for a 12yoe uniformed employee

I always thought places like saf, scdf and spf pays extremely well

Nah, not for diploma holders... Only if you join as degree holder. Hence, why I am leaving after getting my degree

Should be 5 plus…dun expect 6 plus as you have no real experience

The job post requires certain experience which I have in my time in the uniformed group though