Thank you all for the support and encouragement! IDK why that elitist idiot keep coming to bite me, not sure if he is just feeling lousy or had a lousy day.

To clarify, not sure if its right to reveal here, but I will just do it anyway :)

The 7 years of MOE experience, sorry if it causes confusion (ahem*), I spent first 2 years in NIE doing my diploma in education. But because NIE trainees are paid and have CPF contributions so I regard that as part of MOE experience.

Honestly, after I graduated, I started with diploma pay @ approx. $1900... lol $90 increment every year, quite pathetic until I got my degree through part time studies and got emplaced. So when I quit after 5 years, my pay was honestly 3311. If that idiot needs me to cut and paste my pay slip, I really do not mind. I don't know why he keep shooting his head off here, seriously...

I applied for training executive role in dxo. If you look at the specific requirements, they were looking at people with 2 to 3 years of education and training experience. Tried my luck and applied, and luckily I got it. I have no honors, and I graduated from part time studies, quite common amongst diploma teachers. No choice loh, lol, I not study material n not shell calibre mah according to that idiot.

Then Mindef offered me 3500, slightly more than my previous pay. Upon confirmation after 6 months, they gave me $3803. Then after merit increment (in april/may for SAF personnel)became $3922 (pro-rated), just nice before I quit got 5% salary adjustment for august. Don't believe can read up civil service threads, you (know who you are)asshole! Then my pay became slightly above $4k.

Then I went to join an MNC under employee referral program, got referred by a fellow mummy friend in fb :) And they offered me a few hundred more, totalling to slightly less than $5k, I hope that clarifies.

I really don't know what's wrong with you, seriously..

When did I ever said I was unemployed and interviewing for MNC, I only said I cannot stay in my previous job if I apply for migration! I was employed when I went for interview! When did I ever say it was a local MNC, if u recall u were the one who insist I was interviewing for a local MNC and tell me that I am not good enough to work anywhere else out of nothing leh. What's wrong with you? Show your true self la kns.

The part time degree thing I only just revealed, how u know? Hello, did you really stalk me and my posts? $4k plus very fast? You kee tao hong isit?

I usually don't become so pissed off but I really want to say this...

First u say I am lowly qualified, then u say I am not good enough for reputable MNCs? Then u say a true recruitment sourcer will fetch 15k to 25k, then a lowly clerical worker like me will never make it, how can u can say such things to people you barely know? You know how rude you are?

First of all, I am a proud full time work mom, I hold an executive position and I am an average worker! I may not earn much but do u have any idea what's the average salary in Singapore?

I may not be some high flyer, but do u know how many of us are struggling in life? Do u actually know how it feels liketo earn $2k every month? I know ok, I been through that cuz I didn't make it to local uni (yes, laugh all you want, say all you want) Do u even know how hard it is to look for jobs these days. At least people like us have a choice and we know how to work hard to earn ourselves a fighting chance to survive.

You, you hide behind the computer and make personal attacks against people u barely know. You, you live amongst this hidden identity and shoot your head off pretending to be - some high- end scholar. You, you have no empathy and compassion for others. You, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Singaporean!

Yes total support you, all of us are behind u against this crap who is making the whole forum dirty and unwelcoming.

Just ignore him, obviously out to cause trouble only. :)

Don't worry :)

All of us here believe you and honestly throughout the whole forum there is only this 1 very negative guy who needs to put down people all the time.

When I was in civil service I also have this loser scholar boss who dunno how to work & only know how to personal attacks all the time. There are many successful immigrants who made it big out there and are now much more richer than even the scholars, many are their own bosses and own numerous properties overseas.

Things will only get better, those who dream make it big. Those who condemn can go live in their HDB pigeon hole for the rest of their live.

Only weak people resort to sarcastic attacks. You seem to be attacking her in the whole forum. What is your motive? So free to surf forum all the time and be keyboard warrior?

Many of my poly friends are their own bosses and hiring the degree and master grads as their subordinates now. Canada is a place that don't care about education qualification, work hard and you can even be MD or CEO in the future. :)

Actually, to me, many of the quoted figures are like - pardon for saying so - "big cannon" talk only.

Less than 10 yr after grad, some people can already claim earning more than 10k per month. What job is that, I'd also like to know! Ok, some lawyers, doctors, or commercial pilots (plus the allowances, of course), with some luck to get promoted fast - may touch that figure. But for majority of people, I don't think so.

Our civil and public service salary are quite tied to what private sector is paying, so to get a more realistic idea of, say, how much a HR staff would be earning, just need to refer to public sector salary level and then plus-minus a bit. That should give some indication.

Haha thanks for seeing me up. Honestly, I will be glad if I can find a survival job there lol...

It is true however, that civil service pay has gotten very competitive. I have heard of MAS being tagged on to private bank standards. Really don't know if its true.

But I do know lotsa civil servants are not servants anymore. The pay range is very high too, during the orientation for dxo last year, some of the HR executive (dxo) are already fetching 3.5k for their first job. I was also taking 3.5k, so actually my previous work experience wasn't considered :(

The DXO- Ea (for diploma holders) hr officer start off with more than 2k though. Lol, anyone hoping to get a job in there n need some tips can ask me. I may be quitting soon but there's referral system. I may be able to help :)

If you consider the pay range of SAF officers (I honestly dk they earn how much but I roughly gauge...), I think civil service pays well. Not like you will be really rich, but U know... again, you won't starve la...

I do agree with you but fellow forum goers correct me if I'm wrong.

Diff ministries and stat board pay their HR officers differently and they have very different expectations too...

I am a classic example, if SAF hadn't taken me in, I probably wouldn't qualify for HR jobs in other ministries. I did apply for other ministries when I was looking for a job las year.

Again correct me if I am wrong. My experience is that once U apply for an appointment or position in a particular ministry, the first thing they will require from U is for you to pass a psychometric test, after that they will have 2 interviews. After the 3 rounds of selections, they will decide if they want to hire you. In most cases, they only require a degree in any discipline (again, also depends on different ministries).

Hahaha, not to brag but I expert in finding jobs and getting rejected lol...

My experience may not offer a good enough sampling size, but I hope it do help fellow forum goers who are currently pursuing a HR position in the civil service.

Apart from SAF, I also applied for MTI and MFA. Both required me to go through psychometric tests. Needless to say, I didn't make it lol. But say if I made it, truth is, they don't need related HR experience or HR degree.

For MFA, HAHAHAHAH I FAILED THE FIRST ROUND, lol cmi...

For MTI, I made it to the second round of the interview, haha but eh, I wasn't offered, they decided to choose the other teacher who graduated from NTU(eng hor not business).. So what I am trying to say is, different ministries have different pay scale and pay schemes. Very hard to compare them.

I think civil service quite lenient towards their selections, as long as U pass their psychometric tests and do well in interviews, you will get the job. Of course, I don't have a lot of experiences to share but hope this will help those who are applying...

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Thanks for sharing, helpful indeed...

Actually don't need to reveal so much to someone who is here to criticise and isn't constructive at all.. Till now, he is just poking his nose into putting others down. No shame...
Don't need to justify yourself too... Have a feeling he is some joker who doesn't even have a job

Yes he is obviously some loser who is very jobless and free to make attacks agaisnt the forum all the time.

Other than a few honest post like the above (too bad she is going to Canada soon) most of the people here are liars of talk big look down others only.

It is good that all the forumers here can band together to whack that snobbish elitist moron and put him in place. More people should consider immigration, there are much better places than sg.

He is so scared now he go into hiding.

Actually I believe few people are like him, most of the forum viewers are rather united against foul and annoying elitist like him...

Oh wait, I think calling him elitist is too good for him.. bet he doesn't have a job, I am really eagerly waiting for him to expose his true (or rather honest identity here). Come la.. tell us what u do n how much u fetch la.. u seemed to be very experienced right, come tell us la..

probably so scared already went into hiding liao :)

This kind you can always see in real life. They achieve nothing, maybe just a pathetic unskilled job abused by their boss. A lot of pent up frustration in real life.

That why when hiding behind the screen in keyboard or among his own friends, they try and talk big and act like they are so acomplished and like to call people names like peasants, clerk, blue collar workers to look down on them.

Thank you for the insightful information so far, keep up the good work and ignore negative thinkers! All the best in your career and just laugh at that elitist brat who is stalking you.

Best way to deal with destrutive elitist attitude is to ignore them

anyone done this course?

HR Graduate Certification - Centre for Professional Studies | Centre for Professional Studies

Just ignore that brainless scum, he is obviously a troll out to make you feel bad. Stay positive and all the best for your new life in Canada!!! :)

How much is this course, I am looking at doing ACTA, which is better? This one seemed similar to ACTA but ACTA is 3000 plus... hmmm...

Sorry any comments or information available for WSQ? I did realised some of the job requirements actually preferred certified training and development specialist.

How much is WSQ? Care to share?

Hey hey I call and ask liao.

This is a very different course from ACTA, ACTA more for developing training materials, profiling... etc. If you are T&D, can consider taking only the T&D module, but abit pointless right? Cuz ultimately is to graduate with the HR certificate.

Anyway, some of the job requirements actually asked for either WSQ or ACTA. Was told if you are keen on more HR practices, and HR- related matters take WSQ. $500 plus per module after subsidies for Singaporeans, but criteria is must complete the 6 modules cannot fail. Jialat I not study material. lol....

Hi all,

I have been doing HR in compensation/benefits and payroll for past three years. Is there any chance I can jump to biz partnering job since I been doing specialized areas?

Also, I does not have qualification in HR, unless you counted my HRM elective in NTU as one. Do I need to go for further course in HRM still to be better qualified in this field?

Btw i am a male.

Are u sure u are really in specialized area? Real proper C&B specialist where got do payroll one? Payroll is a pure ops position.

I am not familiar in this field but would like to offer my 2 cents' worth.

Can go for further upgrading by taking the WSQ certificate? Or just courses relevant to the areas u r keen in? Employers look at that sometimes, shows that u r motivated too. Upgrading is always good :)

Sorry if im not of much help, but why not give it a shot? You never know :)

what are the qualification that is needed for going into HR related jobs?

It is possible for a C&B spec to look after payroll, but very rare.

Sometimes they have the payroll manager & team below report to the C&B spec, but it is more on approving and strategizing rather than actually doing the payroll.

Best indication is salary, rule of thumb for 3 years exp if below 6k salary confirm is ops, 6-8k probably spec, above 8k confirm spec.

somewhat agree. but the prob now is many co are splitting generalist admin type roles into fake "specialization", e.g. u can have a generalist that focus more on doing transactional matters that are related to a sub discipline

these position also given fancy title like specialist, managers, analyst etc., but drawing typical ops pay.

had a case recently where we hired a (relatively cheap) regional OE&D manager based on her CV which appear to be specialist. only when she came onboard then we realisese she did not have the competency or experience to do the work at all as her exp was more on the project coordinating and administrative side.

I agree that right now there are so many fancy titles being thrown around like HR Business Partner.

A true HRBP will need to have 8-10 years of HR exp and is somewhat close to a director level because as a HRBP you need to advise the business unit on their growth... more strategizing work.

Right now, some companies can give some fresh entry/junior executive the term of HRBP which basically a fancy name for HR admin generalist. I can see that what they do is just mainly coordination and data entry so don't be fooled by the title of HRBP. It's just companies that are following the hype to look cool but has no idea of its function.

yar this is an unfortunate trend that is happening more & more recently. it used to be HRBPs were either very senior and seasoned HR professionals or basically senior managers outside HR who know the biz well & take on an advisory role specializing in people matters.

nowadays many companies are just calling their hr ops generalist HRBP to make it sound big. these so call HRBPs are mostly either youngsters with rudimentary hr exposure or old aunties who have almost no understanding of the business, zero financial knowledge and only exp in doing standard recruitment, payroll and training.

so now we are stuck in a situation where we have to use current pay as a proxy to gauge the candidate's real jd regardless of the title. but sometimes it is not very accurate also and we need to interview further to find out more.

hi there, im new to this forum.

i just graduated from university of Murdoch majoring in HRM & MGT @ Kaplan Singapore. I am being offered 2.3k for a junior HR executive position at a local MNC. Am i doing fine? I have zero full time working experience other than several part time sales job i took up while studying in poly and uni.

if fresh-grad, shd be around 2.5k so anything around 2.5k should be acceptable. Try negotiate for 2.5k

How is HR in banking sector like? How is the career progression and increment like? So how high/ much would I achieve after 5 yrs in bank?

I was just offered a HR position in a foreign bank. $4.2k monthly with 1 year exp. Graduated from local uni 2 yrs ago.

Money is good but banks mostly pay you to leave your brain and ethics at the door. The key to success is to network aggressively and generally agree with and parrot whatever Directors and MDs say. If you have an intense desire to think and have a mind of your own, you will be disenfranchised and unhappy after awhile. But hey, the money is good.

Erm I dun think there's any real local MNC around, even the big ones like Keppel, STE, Capitaland, Singtel etc have very limited presence overseas.

All I can say is for local companies, you just have to be realistic on pay. If you truly want to do HR, 2.3k is way below market, but then a local company HR Exec is probably a more admin based job rather than really HR, so 2.3k is quite decent.

HR is a pure back office support role, so you need to be realistic how much you can get in a sales driven environment like a bank.

4.2k is soso pay for 2 yr exp because banks don't pay aws and have below average variable bonus for BO. If you take the total package and adjust for no aws and lower bonus, it works out to be ~3.7k monthly by normal terms which is average pay for 2 yr exp.

For a Kaplan cert it is not possible to get a proper HR associate job in a MNC straight away, I think the offer from the local company is not bad already. He should accept the job and get some experience first.

thanks. i accepted the job. really need the experience. they have a standard 3 month probation period. I will probably ask for a pay raise upon confirmation

Unless this is some ikan bilis company, dun think you can just ask for $$$ after 3 mths in the co. Likely need to wait for the proper increase cycle.

base on reading this thread, it looks like the starting pay between admin base HR exec (2-3k) and HR specialization (5-6k) is really big...

currently studying engineering degree and not interested in doing admin type of hr job, just asking to specialize in hr wat sort of additional qualification i need?

Qualification matters less than experience. Try for an internship as a student, it'll open doors if you are an outstanding intern.