Hi all, i have a diploma in hr management and up to now got 2++ years work exp as key account manager. I am very good with communicating with people and thinking of exploring hr dept.
Is it possible to join a big mnc as a talent manager or development manager? What is the pay like? Now getting 2.5k, is 3k too much? |
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I am a Organizational Psychologist from malaysia currently seeking employment in singapore. I have a Masters in I/O Psychology and registered with the Australian Board of Psychologists. I have been trying very hard to secure a job and have applied for a myriad jobs relating to i/o psychology/ HR/ eudcation ( as i have good experience in that field as well ) but to no avail. What kind of pay should i be expecting or asking for and what can i do to give myself a better chance of securing a role? thank you |
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so can C&B relate to BP? i think BP is really not easy although I have interest.. BP is a development of successful, long term, strategic relationships between customers and suppliers, based on achieving best practice and sustainable competitive advantage. So understand the business u are in is important...but when jump ship experience is much more valuable as you know how the market shift globally... however for C&B.. focus on employee compensation and benefits policy-making. I think I am more of a person like this... I am not so much into engaging strategic movement... and would like to focus how C&B can help in hiring and retain employees.. to cut short... with a local degree certificate in engineering plus 2 years of project mgt experience.. where should I start out first? I have been knocking on wrong doors or perhaps the doors are always close for such person who wan to do a switch.. does taking a advance diploma helps? its a risk to take if I take up diploma but no one wants me... as ppl says exp prove more than anything else.. I am 27 odd this year... |
What do you know about BP or C&B beside big words like "strategic movement" "best practice" "market shift" etc?
Seems you are sending conflicting signal all over. One momement you want to be generalist, halfway change to BP, then become admin and now you wana do C&B. Why not you elaborate what you expect from C&B or BP or generalist? Be specific & detail about it, not generic nonsense like "compensation & benefit policy making" In order to get useful advice, you must provide us what is your understanding of the job , why you think your character skillset is helpful and what sort of pay progress are you looking at. Repeating again & again your degree qualification and your short project mgt exp doesnt cut the mustard. One more helpful tip, cut down all those big words from your CV & cover letter when you apply for jobs, it sounds very kuku when used by a freshie exec level guy. Quote:
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IMO you should just stick with engineering, there is no pt in changing industry for the sake of changing.
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He has no idea lah, just cut & paste from some job portal
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To get back to main topic, Asst Manager for Training Requisition - 6.2k, 3 month bonus (include AWS) in an Asia blue chip company
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hi all HR personel
I am thinking to study Human Resource Management & Marketing You people should and must have gone thru this course or something related. Is HR courses generally very theory base ? After graduation, what do you think are the available positions awaits me and the salary ? Much much appreciated. meanwhile I will definitely call up the course consultant in charge to find out more |
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My major encompasses modules dealing with almost all the possible functions of HR in an organization big enough to justify the existence of a strategic HR department. namely, recruitment, com&ben, performance management, training and development. all of these modules are largely theory/model-based with com&ben being a little bit more numerical than the rest. upon graduation, your routes are aplenty ranging from the tried-and-tested but tiresome HR generalist route to a specialist route where you try to land yourself into an organization that is somehow willing to accept a fresh grad. salaries range from low 2s to even possibly low 4s in prestigious organizations. |
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how willing are most company to accept a fresh grad degree holder in HRM & marketing double major ? low 2K is like diploma omg... |
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how about yourself ? what position are you holding now, your job scope and salary ? |
will a person with Bsc in International Business & Marketing be able to be employed into the HR area of work ?
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There are a lot of hi-po programs in global MNCs that groom HR professionals for the fast track. Such programs usually advertised as Management Associates or Graduate Trainee programs without specifying which function to retain flexibility for deployment, but HR gets its fair share of these hi-pos. But agree that competition super tough, regualr run of the mill local grads have little chance, pte uni no chance at all. Quote:
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say if I embark on the degree program of double major in HRM & Marketing. all bros here please advise on what are the options and routes available say I want at least a $3K starting pay after I graduate ? but say if I start from 0 - min experience, how long will I take to reach specialist level and possibility chances ? What should I be doing meanwhile studying full time. any possible opening I should be looking out for during the course of my studies to gain experience ? I am open to all suggestions and views, but try not to be too harsh =( haha |
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If you want to start as specialist straight, best bet is join big consultancies or top mnc, getting at least 2nd upper honors, deans list, strong CCA and good internship helps but no guarantee because too competitive |
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In consultancy, we have many opportunities to engage clients and be present in CEO and Remuneration Committee meetings. The experience you are getting is completely end-to-end. I am sharing the fact that you have to be doing excel and powerpoint the whole day to not paint the pretty image of a consultant just going into a client meeting all guns blazing. There is a lot of groundwork which involves tons of number crunching and slides preparation in terms of presenting your information in an aesthetically pleasing and easily understandable format. This is essentially the core of your jobscope and if someone cannot handle sitting down and doing all the groundwork first, there really is no point enticing them with the more glorious face to face client presentations. |
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You really expect us to believe a CEO of Shell or Exxon going to do engagement with some 30 year old 6 years experience junior associate? I don't think even the local company CEOs & Directors in Singtel, CDL, UOB etc. will bother to entertain you. Please don't give false impression by throwing around words like "we in consultancy" as if most people in consultancy have chance to interact with the big shots professionally. The fact is vast majority of people in consultancy have never had any experience with top managers or the board in their whole lives. |
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1. You made an outrageous claim that you & many others in your HR industry had plenty of experience and opportunities in engaging with CEO & Directors as well as taking part in board meetings. 2. I called out your BS because it sounded outlandish and totally incongruant with the corporate landscape I am familiar with - that some fresh grad or junior hr staff is going to go around presenting to a board committe & engaging with CEOs on business of the day. 3. You then tried to wriggle your way out by applying clever lingual gymnastics on two key words - "engage" and "CEO" 4. You you re-defined "engage" by admiting that the presenter in board meeting is not yourself, but someone senior. But this is accompanied by a meaningless caveat "provide justifications in matters where the main presenter is unable to." Nice try. Did I also tell you that in my first year as an auditor, I had a 1-on-1 session with the "CFO" of a blue chip local listed company to clarify his provision procedures? It was mainly a procedural meeting and we both did what we had to do. Unlike you, I am not so thick skinned to go around sharing that I was having a "completely end to end experience", engaging with a board director or some such nonsense. 5. Secondly you made a word play on the definition of "CEO". You response was that the earlier bombastic pronouncements about CEOs were made in reference to local SME bosses. True to the word but disfavoring to the spirit. A rather disingineous way to get out of a tight spot on what was definitely an attempt to exaggerate through nuances earlier. 6. To further cover up for your bar room bloviations, you admonished me not to be bitter and to open and broaden my horizons - big words for a fresh grad who has no meaningful work experience to date. I surmise your few months in hr consulting as full of sound & fury that amounts to what is perhaps a fairly typical and average novice experience that could have been offered by many other jobs in many other industries. Is HR consulting bad? I don't know but probably not since every craft has its trade. Is the experience as unique and enriching as your initial potrayal? Definitely no. |
So what is your background then? You seems to enjoy belittling other people in an anonymous forum.
Does the corporate landscape you are familiar with came from the TV shows and movies you watched....thinking of Donald Trump in a boardroom??? Apparently you haven't got many chances to meet up with CEO & directors....that's why you are in awe of people in these positions. Your mentality reminds me of those low and mid level managers, especially in China companies. You probably conclude that people holding senior positions won't be in this forum based on your "impression". Quote:
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He is so cocky. Just from reading the posts, I rather engage with someone like Cbee than with him if both are in HR consulting.
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wake up ur idea plz. u obviously never work in consultant b4, i am a consultant for many years and meet up with different CEO every week for presentation. consultant is about meritocray, if ur good even 20 yr old or 60 yr old the senior manager will listen to u. at least ppl high flyer and still willing to share, not like u only bellite others from online. what gives us the right to criticise others.
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