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bioman 05-03-2012 03:49 PM

HR-related Jobs - How much are you earning?
 
If you are a degree-holder, currently in HR / Training & Development job positions, how much are you earning (gross monthly salary)?

Please state number of years of experience? Thanks for sharing!

fusion7 05-03-2012 04:13 PM

HR Business Partner, 7 years exp, $12,900 monthly.

bioman 05-03-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21813)
HR Business Partner, 7 years exp, $12,900 monthly.

Looks good, what may a HR business Partner do?

Unregistered 05-03-2012 04:48 PM

ASEAN Organization Development Lead, 228k p.a. but require frequent travelling.

Unregistered 05-03-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21813)
HR Business Partner, 7 years exp, $12,900 monthly.

Is this consider Director level?

fusion7 05-03-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21825)
Is this consider Director level?

No. I report to Senior BP who report to the HR Director. Director would easily have exceeded 25k a month.

bioman 06-03-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21813)
HR Business Partner, 7 years exp, $12,900 monthly.

Interesting! 7 years exp means since 7 years since graduation?

Unregistered 06-03-2012 10:21 AM

Talent Sourcing Specialist with 5 yrs exp for a local bank now drawing monthly 9.4k, bonus is much lower than when I was a headhunter, but work life balance is much better.

What sort of HR role are you looking for?

bioman 06-03-2012 11:04 AM

Since it's mentioned, how much does a headhunter or recruitment consultant earn? Commission?

What a Talent Sourcing Specialist's job like?


I'm a Training & Development person, and changing new job of paycheck $4.3K after 5 years of relevant T&D experience.
Worked for 8 years since graduation though.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21886)
Talent Sourcing Specialist with 5 yrs exp for a local bank now drawing monthly 9.4k, bonus is much lower than when I was a headhunter, but work life balance is much better.

What sort of HR role are you looking for?


fusion7 06-03-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21879)
Interesting! 7 years exp means since 7 years since graduation?

Yea since grad, but I started off in OPS for about a year before switching to HR.

Unregistered 06-03-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21830)
No. I report to Senior BP who report to the HR Director. Director would easily have exceeded 25k a month.

what industry is this? HR ppl at my company are treated like crap.

Unregistered 06-03-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21895)
Since it's mentioned, how much does a headhunter or recruitment consultant earn? Commission?

What a Talent Sourcing Specialist's job like?


I'm a Training & Development person, and changing new job of paycheck $4.3K after 5 years of relevant T&D experience.
Worked for 8 years since graduation though.

It depends on the firm. Some are 100% commission some got basic salary.

My offer that time was 7.5k + incentive of 35% billable amount. If you willing to work long hours and can close decently should be able to generate an additional 20-25k commission per quarter.

Talent sourcing is basically niche recruitment for certain hard to find jobs for the Company, it is a specialist recruitment job instead of the normal HR Manager who recruit generally the lower level and cmmon jobs.

sunshine 06-03-2012 02:01 PM

Wow you guys are good, I hope with experience I can reach your levels one day.

I just past 2 years doing generalist work (HR Senior Executive) in a local GLC. Pay is decent 3.9k + $200 transport allowance, but benefit is boss allow me to work at home once a week.

fusion7 06-03-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21903)
what industry is this? HR ppl at my company are treated like crap.

Less to do with industry than whether it is frontline HR or corporate policy HR. Most people interact with frontline HR because they handle all the ops and admin matters. Sad to say they often get abused by staff.

Corporate HR like business partnering(BP) and subject matter expert(SME) in my company offer more visibility and strategic work as well as more opportunities to do cross functional & global initiatives, so in terms of pay and career progression is much better than frontline HR.

Unregistered 06-03-2012 06:11 PM

Quite a lot of HR practioners here My experience is in the L&D space, officially its a AVP project management position in a hospitality group operating a global franchise

Pay wise is comparable to other MNC 14k+ now but I like their staff scheme that allows me to book for rooms in any of our hotels up to USD3k worth in a year. Havent paid for any accommodation for holidays since joining them ;-)

cslee 06-03-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21907)
It depends on the firm. Some are 100% commission some got basic salary.

My offer that time was 7.5k + incentive of 35% billable amount. If you willing to work long hours and can close decently should be able to generate an additional 20-25k commission per quarter.

Talent sourcing is basically niche recruitment for certain hard to find jobs for the Company, it is a specialist recruitment job instead of the normal HR Manager who recruit generally the lower level and cmmon jobs.

No wonder the headhunters on LinkedIn keep spamming me with email offers. I guess I should "avoid" them and ask companies to pay me their commission as sign-on bonus instead :P

Unregistered 07-03-2012 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21907)
It depends on the firm. Some are 100% commission some got basic salary.

My offer that time was 7.5k + incentive of 35% billable amount. If you willing to work long hours and can close decently should be able to generate an additional 20-25k commission per quarter.

Talent sourcing is basically niche recruitment for certain hard to find jobs for the Company, it is a specialist recruitment job instead of the normal HR Manager who recruit generally the lower level and cmmon jobs.

May i know roughly how many years of experience does one need to have as a recruitment consultant before base salary can hit 6-7k like u? My impression is that the base salary for recruitment consultants are typically very low, but their commission can be a lot.

How is someone who does "talent sourcing" different from in-house HR professionals who specialise in recruitment & selection? (same thing?) Are compensation & benefits HR professionals the same as those who do "total rewards strategy"? Are these recruitment/compensation HR personnel considered as "SME" (subject matter experts) and not the typical HR generalist?

Sorry..im not in this field.. so kinda confused by all these terms used. Hope to find out more. Appreciate any advice.

bioman 07-03-2012 09:15 AM

Good to know how the commission is calculated on average too. How many Percent of salary of candidate? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21939)
May i know roughly how many years of experience does one need to have as a recruitment consultant before base salary can hit 6-7k like u? My impression is that the base salary for recruitment consultants are typically very low, but their commission can be a lot.

How is someone who does "talent sourcing" different from in-house HR professionals who specialise in recruitment & selection? (same thing?) Are compensation & benefits HR professionals the same as those who do "total rewards strategy"? Are these recruitment/compensation HR personnel considered as "SME" (subject matter experts) and not the typical HR generalist?

Sorry..im not in this field.. so kinda confused by all these terms used. Hope to find out more. Appreciate any advice.


Unregistered 07-03-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21939)
May i know roughly how many years of experience does one need to have as a recruitment consultant before base salary can hit 6-7k like u? My impression is that the base salary for recruitment consultants are typically very low, but their commission can be a lot.

I have only experience with 2 headhunting firms, as there are many other firms around, I cannot vouch for what other companies do.

I see some misconception over career progression in a headhunting firm vs. the normal corporate jobs. In the headhunting space, number of years of experience is irrelevant. The firm is only interested in 2 things: 1) Your billing record, 2) Your industrial/functional/level niche

It is not uncommon to see people before 30yrs become practice leads getting >10k basic and drawing annual commissions of >200k. In a sense it is a pure pay for performance sales job, whoever closes the deal gets the promotion & money, saying I have XX years of experience or done YY number of projects cuts no ice in this industry.

My 7.5k basic isnt very high as incentives were also about the same amount, so my annual is ~50% basic vs 50% incentive, variable is much higher than a corporate HR role which is ~80% basic 20% bonus. I switched to Corporate HR to get away from the hectic KPI driven environment, total package is lower, but at least I get to go home before 7pm.

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How is someone who does "talent sourcing" different from in-house HR professionals who specialise in recruitment & selection? (same thing?) Are compensation & benefits HR professionals the same as those who do "total rewards strategy"? Are these recruitment/compensation HR personnel considered as "SME" (subject matter experts) and not the typical HR generalist?

Sorry..im not in this field.. so kinda confused by all these terms used. Hope to find out more. Appreciate any advice.
Well, the thing is these terms are used differently in different companies, so there will be definition inconsistency you need to look out for. For my company, we have 2 kinds of recruitment people. The first is the normal local Recruitment Manager or HR Manager they do normal hiring for jobs <L60 (i.e. monthly basic about 18k max) and usually their candidates are local or foreigner already working locally

The team Im from does specialized recruitment either for jobs >L60 or certain global jobs that require special skills (e.g. structural engineer for thin-seam coal mining) that normal in-house or outsourced recruiters do not have the networks to hire.

I think compensation & benefits also has the same distinction. There are the local payroll and benefits people under HR who deal with the normal admin issues and the strategy guys under Reward & Performance Management (RPM). RPM department reports straight to CEO & is not under HR.

My impression is people from RPM sound more like management consultants and banking finance guys than normal HR, their pay grades and influence in the company is also much higher than HR.

Unregistered 07-03-2012 02:08 PM

Assistant Manager from HR Shared Service 5850 x 13 basic, currently looking out for opp in C&B related. Anyone from C&B can advice if the pay is comparable with shared service?

3 years HR experience & 2 years customer service.

bioman 07-03-2012 04:43 PM

Anyone in Training & Development or Human Resource Development?

Unregistered 07-03-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21973)
Anyone in Training & Development or Human Resource Development?

I am doing generalist with doing T&D + recruitment. What info u need?

fusion7 07-03-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21956)
Assistant Manager from HR Shared Service 5850 x 13 basic, currently looking out for opp in C&B related. Anyone from C&B can advice if the pay is comparable with shared service?

3 years HR experience & 2 years customer service.

Depends on what C&B. If its payroll, preparing contracts, merit increment and administer leave / insurance, salary should be comparable to your current job at the same level.

If C&B strategy and policy side, pay will be much higher than shared service, but its not easy for shared service experience to move into that space.

bioman 08-03-2012 12:12 AM

How to advance further? I wonder how much should a graduate with 10 years of such experience be earning?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21975)
I am doing generalist with doing T&D + recruitment. What info u need?


Unregistered 08-03-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21981)
How to advance further? I wonder how much should a graduate with 10 years of such experience be earning?

You cant benchmark salary just base on years of experience, ur from HR and should know that better than anybody.

10 yrs experience can be anything from exec level 4k to group director level >20k. exec coaches in consultancies earn more, many charge 5 figure per day of corp training.

what sort of training u doing exactly? admin? trainer? Project?

Looking after how many countries? industry? headcount? How many reports under you?

u need to provide more context to the situation.

Unregistered 08-03-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21976)
If C&B strategy and policy side, pay will be much higher than shared service, but its not easy for shared service experience to move into that space.

Why not easy?

I have done payroll before and currently look after the insurance & leave of the entire company.

The company got internal inequity, many HR Managers are only paid about 7 9k depending on experience, but an analyst in C&B is already paid 9.3k while the C&B Manager is drawing close to 14k.

Im hoping to do an internal transfer as they are currently looking out for a replacement for the C&B analyst who has resigned.

I think if I go for slight adjustment of 6.5 7k should have a decent chance?

bioman 08-03-2012 02:35 PM

Any qualifications required to venture into C&B?


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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21994)
Why not easy?

I have done payroll before and currently look after the insurance & leave of the entire company.

The company got internal inequity, many HR Managers are only paid about 7 9k depending on experience, but an analyst in C&B is already paid 9.3k while the C&B Manager is drawing close to 14k.

Im hoping to do an internal transfer as they are currently looking out for a replacement for the C&B analyst who has resigned.

I think if I go for slight adjustment of 6.5 7k should have a decent chance?


minute_maker 08-03-2012 03:54 PM

Just took up a role as Training & Communication Co-coordinator for a F&B MNC, previously was handling employee relations & internal coms in 2 companies (Korean and local blue chip) for 6+ years.

Took a paycut to join at 6800 monthly, but in my contract it is stated there will be a 600 adjustment upon confirmation in 6 months.

minute_maker 08-03-2012 03:58 PM

Just general degree can, but I think financial modelling & research skills must be strong...

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21997)
Any qualifications required to venture into C&B?


fusion7 08-03-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 21994)
Why not easy?

I have done payroll before and currently look after the insurance & leave of the entire company.

The company got internal inequity, many HR Managers are only paid about 7 9k depending on experience, but an analyst in C&B is already paid 9.3k while the C&B Manager is drawing close to 14k.

Im hoping to do an internal transfer as they are currently looking out for a replacement for the C&B analyst who has resigned.

I think if I go for slight adjustment of 6.5 7k should have a decent chance?

The issue is not your expected pay, its the role of C&B policy is very different from shared service. Reward knowledge, stakeholder engagement & business case is at a different level compared to administering payroll and benefits.

Unregistered 09-03-2012 11:58 AM

For average performer if all your 10 years experience are relevant, should be VP level in banks or Snr Manager / Director in other companies. My best guess is 12k to 15k depending on industry.

What is your current position now?

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Originally Posted by bioman (Post 21981)
How to advance further? I wonder how much should a graduate with 10 years of such experience be earning?


Unregistered 09-03-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 22066)
For average performer if all your 10 years experience are relevant, should be VP level in banks or Snr Manager / Director in other companies. My best guess is 12k to 15k depending on industry.

What is your current position now?

Too high for an average performer. 8k max.

Unregistered 09-03-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 22072)
Too high for an average performer. 8k max.

Nah 8k is just junior HR Manager, you dont need 10 years to get there.

Unregistered 09-03-2012 03:49 PM

According to report here http://www.robertwalters.com.sg/file...urvey-2012.pdf

It says Training & Development (6 12 yrs exp) is 100k 180k in 2012. So 10 years exp should be on the high side around 150 180k. Works out to be about 13k - 15k monthly.

8k is 96k annual, according to the report should be about 6 yrs exp.

Unregistered 10-03-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 22079)
According to report here http://www.robertwalters.com.sg/file...urvey-2012.pdf

It says Training & Development (6 12 yrs exp) is 100k 180k in 2012. So 10 years exp should be on the high side around 150 180k. Works out to be about 13k - 15k monthly.

8k is 96k annual, according to the report should be about 6 yrs exp.

You must have been reading too much Straits Times. Do you take such nonsense reports as the golden truth? If so, everyone will be installing golden taps by now.

Reminds me of an idiotic scholar colleague who bought shares based on reports he read. He lost his pants.

Unregistered 10-03-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fusion7 (Post 21813)
HR Business Partner, 7 years exp, $12,900 monthly.

7 years experience in HR or total years of working? If its just 7 years of working since graduation, then wow your pay is really high!

Unregistered 10-03-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 22079)
According to report here http://www.robertwalters.com.sg/file...urvey-2012.pdf

It says Training & Development (6 12 yrs exp) is 100k 180k in 2012. So 10 years exp should be on the high side around 150 180k. Works out to be about 13k - 15k monthly.

8k is 96k annual, according to the report should be about 6 yrs exp.

I believe it is true but that annual figure includes bonuses as well. If there is a 6 mths bonus, then maybe the mthly pay is abt 8k/mth for that person with 150k annual package. As companies vary bonuses during bad times, that figure may be lower in bad times.

It also depends on the company u r joining. No way you can get that pay if u join an SME's HR department even with 10 yrs of exp.

Unregistered 11-03-2012 01:26 AM

The salary is based on placed candidates placed by robert Walters. Only base and no allowance/bonuses are included.

Unregistered 12-03-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 22129)
The salary is based on placed candidates placed by robert Walters. Only base and no allowance/bonuses are included.

Guys..the figures quoted in the report is on the high side..take it with a pinch of salt and apply a discount to it..the figures given by them for financial sector positions such as RMs obviously included commission/bonuses..and not just the base salary as they purported.

magmilon 13-03-2012 09:02 PM

The numbers are quite accurate. My wife has been in HR for 8 years since she graduate, she's taking back about 11.5k basic monthly.


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