Hi check with you guys/gals who have experience in HR.

I am currently a HRBP in a one of the big local GLCs with more than 20 years HR experience and heard a lot of people mentioning Cultural and Diversity COE as the next big “in” thing in the HR world. An ex-colleague doing recruitment told me a lot of MNCs are hiring specialists in this area at 350k+ total package.

I don’t have the required C&D experience per se, but am willing to move into a culture / diversity role on the same pay (currently 250k inclusive of bonus & allowance) if the opportunity for growth is there as I really want to try out something new but yet related to HR.

Anyone has tips to share on how to position my CV and what are the competencies and skillsets they usually look for?

If I have your kind of pay and got enough savings and little debt, I will just quit and do whatever job that I have passion irregardless of pay.

You in the wrong forum lah. Here mostly fresh grads or junior execs who dun even make 10k, you can try asking those professional forum or seminar instead.

LOL

Most of us are looking for 100k jobs and you want advise how to get from 250k to 350k job?

Hi I would need some advice regarding HR- related jobs and remunerations.

My employment history:

5 years with MOE as a teacher, left with slightly over 3k, was a diploma holder and managed to get my degree in arts while still working as a teacher.

Left (and never looked back) and joined SAF (DXO) as a Training and Development Executive (HR- related). 1 year of experience and fetching $4k monthly (gross, excluding bonuses)

To be brutally honest, I have no HR experience or whatsoever except for training and development experience with SAF. I have friends (and connections) in local MNCs who hooked me up with a job titled, Sourcer, Global Talent Acquisition.

I am just curious, would they match my pay or do I have to start anew? I understand that all my previous experiences will not be taken into consideration right?

I am actually looking at companies with the possibilities of overseas posting as Hubb and I recently applied for Canadian PR (if not I really wouldn't wan to leave my job with SAF.)

Any advice? How should I negotiate my pay? Can I likely fetch more than what I am currently paid?

You mention "local MNC", I assume this just means it's a local large company? I don't think there is any local company that qualify as MNC now unless you mean it in a loose sense of having offices outside Singapore.

It really depends on what is the role of this new job. A real Talent Acquisition specialist that covers globally in a MNC can probably command salary in the range of 15k – 25k, but seeing your basic level of work experience and the fact a friend can just hook you up randomly for the job like that, my guess is it is just a fake title for an in-house generic recruiter.

For an internal general recruiter 3-4k is quite the average, so I guess you can try putting down 4k as your expected and indicate your willingness to negotiate. Set 3.5k as your bottom line if they want to negotiate.

As for overseas posting to Canada you need to be realistic, a company is not going to make arrangements for an overseas assignment for this kind of entry level position without special skill set. If you really need to relocate, most likely they will ask you to resign first then try applying for another job in the overseas subsidiary.

Anyway I don’t think it will work in this case because Canada has strict employment laws that companies need to demonstrate talent scarcity before they can hire a foreigner. Not going to happen for your sort of level.

Dun understand this part, you mean you quit your SAF job without backup just because you may want to migrate to Canada? And you are now looking for another local company job hoping they will expatriate you to Canada? Dun sound logical to me…

Thank you for the responses!

By MNCs, I mean large companies with various headquarters around the wall. I understand that some MNCs do provide overseas postings for small- fry role. My friend who works in Shell requested to be posted to Texas, and he got it. I think he is not exactly a big earner.

What I meant is for the MNC to refer me to a job in Canada after my PR is approved, and I know I am not heading there as an expat, so I am not requesting to be 'expatriated' because I know I am not 'expat calibre' to begin with. I am just asking if the company is able to refer me to jobs in Canada if they also have head offices there.

Yes, you are right, we are migrating to Canada with no job offer. I do not think its crazy so I would appreciate advice and not belittlement. That said, thank you for your explanation, at least I know how much to ask for during the interview.

Just wondering why you would think this ?

Don’t understand what you mean by MNC with many HQs around the world. The definition of HQ means head office, i.e. 1 place of origin, how can a company have HQs all over the world? At most they have 1 real HQ and 1 tax heaven HQ setup.

It is ridiculous to compare Shell, rank by Fortune as the biggest company in the world, with some lobang you get from a company that dont even need any relevant experience to offer you a job. No sense of proportion at all.

It is not about belittling or what, it is about knowing where you stand and what you have to offer. A $4k salary is less than what Shell offer even for fresh grads as execs or trainee engineer, so you will likely be some clerical officer or blue collar union staff even if you can make it there. I have doubts even Shell will do overseas postings for this level. Maybe out of goodwill for a long serving staff possible, but a fresh joiner clerical officer?

If you can make it to Shell good for you (which I sincerely doubt so), otherwise stop dreaming and start planning realistically.

Also is this company aware of your plans to migrate soon? Otherwise it seems unethical for you to waste their time hiring & training you and then you drop them a bomb you want to go Canada.

my brother works in Shell bukom as a technician under the union & I know for sure he draws much more than 4k a month. dont look down on blue collar staff hor, they pay blue collar much higher than a lot of other company pay their PME

My apologies, I was just using union staff as a comparison to make a point, never intend to look down on them. Sorry.

My point to her was just that as a newly join recruitment officer w/o any relevant experience it is not realistic to expect her company to post her to Canada.

For some strange reason she seem to have extrapolated her friend's experience in Shell to her predicament which is totally off base.

Just for interest, I heard Shell pays very high bonus even for union staff, do you know from your brother what is the average bonus in a year? I have a friend who is currently interviewing for Shell as well.

I know where I stand and yes, I am not referring to Shell because like u say, I don't have the calibre.

My current company do know I am applying for Canadian PR, cuz during the interview I did mentioned that I cannot be allowed to stay in my previous job due to complications arising from me applying PR.

And you are right, $4k is peanut compared to high earners in Shell, but I do work in a rather reputable organisation now who offers me slightly below $5k. Again, like u say, blue collar union workers' pay.

What I meant was for the company to recommend me a job when I head to Canada. If they don't, I will just look for a blue collar job there. I know where I stand and I know I will not command that much. But, thanks for the info anyway.

Maybe I was just naïve to think that there will be a referral system since my friend was 'referred' to Texas. I am looking at a secondment in Canada, if I don't get it, it's fine, really.

I suppose you are one of the experienced, high flyer in MNCs, thanks for the advice anyway. Appreciate it. It doesn't matter, blue or white collar. Elitism is a prevalent condition in Singapore.

Actually some companies really do recommend overseas employment for staffs. It isn't considered overseas posting because these staffs will have to resign and reapply again when they are there.

I have heard of a friend whose job allows her to network with others in a global scale, and got introduced a job via someone she met at work. She moves over, and took another role in the same MNC she was working in. So, it is not impossible. Sometimes, a referral letter from the companies' GM will suffice.

You don't need to be exceptionally talented to be working in BIG MNCs, sometimes, you only need a lot of luck, help and networking.

People who migrate without job offers are dreamers, I don't think planning realistically is in their plan.

Just ignore all these typical loser sinkies who cannot think outside the box. They are probably stuck in some stupid 5k job and jealous you got the chance to migrate.

Shell is overrated, I talk to them before, even more stupider than a lot most SME. Our GLCs like DBS, SIA, Singtel etc etc got a much better reputation & attract better workers compare to them. Just typical talk big study scholar kind, don't know how to work even simple things at all.

what a loser trying to talk big! go back & study more boy boy!

dun bluff lah, blue collar can make >4k, ur fathers company har?

Thanks all for the assurance.

I do know it is dumb to move without a job offer, but isn't that something most migrants have to go through?

I know it is impossible for someone as lowly paid as me to land a posting in Canada, but I was just asking if there are any possibilities of being 'recommended' a job there.

It's really annoying when ppl like him say things like 'Stop Dreaming' and called me a clerical worker even though I am dreaming and I am a lowly clerk.

People migrate for reasons of their own. I know its a tough road ahead, so I hope that there could be some allowance in the current new job I am in.

Anyways, I have always find myself a misfit in this country I was born and raised, I am sure a lot of you feel the same. It is insensitive and obnoxious people like him that makes the country inhabitable.

lol don't be sour grape, its normal in oil and gas company. Got rejected by them? 4k+ basic for senior technician I believe. Unless his brother is a technician level and 4k is inclusive of major OT.

Forget about those retards, as long as you dream big anything can be possible!!! Only a useless arsehole will try to talk negative all the time.

So what if is clerical worker, there are many people who start off as sweeper or dishwasher in the end become top tycoon and CEO. Typical sinkies with low IQ mentality whole day only know how to study, migrate to Canada and you will realise people there are more mature and how silly all these sinkies are.

Obviously a moron who dun know anything about pay. Union worker can get 2k already laugh, what 4k+. Stop trying to spread negativity and false info here.

You have 1 year experience that's not related to your new job. Also, a degree totally irrelevant to your field of work. I believe it would not be reasonable to ask for a match with your SAF job salary. I am actually surprised that you are drawing 4k from SAF.

But I agree with you that if you have chose to migrate, you have to began somewhere. It will be tough and you probably won't be able to find any jobs at Canada for some time. Be prepared that the grass might not be greener at the other end. All the best to you! :)

Why blame Singapore when you cannot make it here and want to migrate? Just quietly go lor, no need to blame others.

You are not even talking sense here. You told us you are a “lowly clerk” and prepared to look for blue collar jobs and at the same time get angry when someone call you a clerical worker. What is wrong with being a clerical worker? My mum was also an accounts clerk and I never hear her get angry if someone calls her a clerk or clerical worker.

So you admit you are dreaming and other tell you to stop dreaming you get all wound up and annoy? For what? You ask for advice and then get angry when people tell you not practical. Your problem is not about dreaming or migration or even being a clerk, you have much more serious emotional problems underneath.

Grow up and stop whining please.

I think you are obviously not reading the thread carefully. She was asking for advice, but to be returned with snobbish and disrespectful replies from people who doesn't even know half the time what's going on.

I suppose you are that arsehole who called her to stop day- dreaming. You do not make sense yourself. Trying to associate what she said with your mom who is a clerk? Hello, are you the same horrible bastard who claim to know everything and do whatever it takes to put others down and still find fulfilment in it all?

You are the one who should shut your filthy mouth, seriously.

Just saying, people who are a misfit do not necessarily means they can't make it here, they probably just don't identify with the system as much as filthy, elitist and idiotic people like you.

If you recall, you are the one (I think) who is overly confident with your replies and insist on labelling others with what you deemed beneath you. You should grow up, seriously.

I also migrated, I do not think I cannot make it in Singapore.

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Hi, prior to SAF, I was with MOE for 7 years, SAF matched my pay and I got increment (after confirmation, merit increment and salary adjustment) after a year which totalled to slightly above $4k. Are you surprised cuz the pay is too low or too high? I am in the DXO scheme, I find SAF pay package rather competitive actually. Not sky high, but you know, you wouldn't starve. Yes, the new MNC offered me slightly higher than my current pay, few hundreds. From what I know, those in corporate finance earns MUCH MORE. I am not sure if it is considered reasonable.

Yes, we have the intention to settle there for a year and look for survival jobs. Both of us will not be resigning, if things really isn't greener on the other side, we will return. We are both young, and actually looking forward to a different lifestyle and experience.

Having been in the education sector for 7 years, I really do not wish to put my son under the system that I have painstakingly wanted to forsake. I must iterate that it is not because we cannot make it, but we prefer our son to grow up in a different system.

You see, creativity cannot be taught, but it can be killed. Singapore is really good at doing that, at least that's what I think.

To my knowledge, many others have migrated, check out fb grps on migration issues. I believe many of us started out with the same intention. Life isn't rosy in Canada, Oz, NZ, USA... but if u ask me, life isn't rosy anywhere else. I think you get what I am trying to say.

It doesn't mean that migrants who complained about their country are pple who cmi. I am not helping them, I am just painting a realistic picture for *some elitist idiots* here. People will tell you to 'stop dreaming', people will cautioned you against your decision by putting you down... ultimately, we are quite bent on leaving :) Yes, tough road ahead, but we are hopeful :)

Don't know who is whining here, y so serious!?

Want to act elite get lost please. Lots of people make it big overseas. She is a clerk doing more productive work than our whining.

Pathetic piece of sheet, must be a typical scholar running dog.

Fully support you, the whole forum here is agree with you, only a few moron here try to cause trouble by putting down others.

I also cannot stand arrogant scums like that that's why left Singapore many years ago.

Hello Mr Negative Jerk, thanks for the laughs. Your advise is so childish even I can tell our a 3 year old kid trying to talk rot. Go back and drink ur milk plz.

I was surprised because you've no HR experience before you joined SAF (correct me if I am wrong) and they are paying 4k+ for an individual with no experience and no related education on the job field. If this is correct, SAF is paying you far far better then alot of other companies. It might also not be a good comparison with corporate Finance roles as their roles are completely different.

The starting period at Canada would really be tough especially at this level of your career and that you are at a new environment with no job. However, you seem very sure of your decision to migrate to Canada. Hence, I could only say to tough it out and all the best!

Keep your head high and stay positive. :)

I have a friend used to work in Mitsubishi as air con technician. In the end he was transfered to UK as senior technician to recognise his good performance at more than double the pay and the co pay for his housing and car rent. :)

Take the story with a pinch of salt. She flip flop quite often.

First say 5 years MOE + 1 year SAF $4k + unemployed & intervewing with local mnc. Later say is not local mnc but a mnc with many headquarters around the world. Then claim she is working in a reputable organization at close to 5k. Latest change is say worked in MOE for 7 years and offered few hundred more.

I also find the part about SAF matching her pay without relevant experience with just a part time degree odd, the rate at which she got confrimation, salary and merit increment to increase to $4k+ also very fast.

Go get a life and stop stalking people on this thread, she just wants to start a positive life overseas. Your sour grapes just because you are stuck in this tiny island.

stop the whining and personal attacks. no sense of shame.

These are all small errors that are not important. You are just being deliberately nit picking trying to put her down because of the overwhelming support she got from here. Maybe you are jobless that’s why got the time to keep harassing people here.

Many sinkies here only know how to complain in forum, when they see someone brave enough to migrate, they get jealous and start attacking the person out of sour grape. I got the same treament last year when I went aussie, now really enjoying myself here and making much higher salary even though the working hours much lesser than Sg.

If you don’t want to help, just STFU seriously. Very childish to resort to personal attacks when you loose the internet war.