PB can be quite subjective I guess. Some feel good enough, some feel amount still not enough for the work they do.

I also heard that PB received in other ministries seems to be higher due to their lower headcount? Not too sure...

Those deals are not good at all.

The prices are marked up, where even after the 'subsidy', it's still more expensive than booking directly via platforms like expedia.

PB for GEO subgrades is very low. One of the lowest in the civil service, for equivalent performance grades.

PB for SEO subgrades is slightly more in line with the rest of govt, however, that seems to have been going down recently as well.

Not to say, certain things when procured over gebiz, the prices tend to be inflated by vendors, because gebiz is less competitive than the free market out there.

Unfortunately promotion is not based on performance grading, but based on CEP. You may receive lots of good perf grades but if you CEP does not move, your promotion rate won't be much faster.

This archaic system is still in place, even after so much lip service from higher management that it will be revamped..

Salary package usually benchmarked by total pay package.

GEO PB is lower because money went into connect plan deposits.
Which you forfeit if you leave service before milestone years.

If you take the connect plan payouts and divide across the years, and add that to your pb, is the figure is similar to other ministries'

Makes no sense because CONNECT deposit does not vary based on performance grade, whereas Performance Bonus does. They are not substitutes for one another.

Hais..

Im also 8 years in svc.

Still geo3.

I also Geo 3 for 7 full years... no joke...

Huh.. I thought I 5th hear going 6th GEO 3 v Sian le; out there also have people like me :(
My PB is very good to extremely good somemore. But no promotion news. I’m hoping next year

Actually no hurry to move to GEO4, getting high PB at GEO3 with lesser job expectations makes for better work life balance and gives you more sanity.

8 years in service
I have heard many like me doing heaps and heaps of stuff
But just remain stagnant.
I always tot when the time comes will go to next rank but seems like it is not so now

Easy for you to say this
Do u know the pay difference
Not to mention low morale when others are promoting and you are still at geo 3?
And u are rank with the BTs and what will your colleagues think of you still remaining at geo 3 after so long?

Are you near to your salary ceiling?

there is always a give and take. what the previous post mentioned is quite true. ranked with BTs also means you're more likely to get higher performance grade and PB.

and not to burst your bubble, but the promotion increment isn't that much either, at about 400+. your extra income from a good PB (probably additional 1 month+), is similar in amount to 1 year worth of that promotion increment.

not to forget that this year GEO3s had a 9% adjustment, while GEO4s only had 5%, and young or newly promoted GEO4s this year are the most unlucky due to bad timing (don't forget their increased workload too).

there will not be any end to comparing. if you do the math, those who are 35 and below are suffering one way or another with you, regardless of GEO3 or GEO4. everyone is in the same boat.

if you want to compare, compare by age group, with those Gen X and boomers. but you'll still end up with the conclusion with no solution - born later, bad timing, bad luck.

Sounds more like a leadership problem. Anyway situation is not unique to MOE.

So far been using the subsidies quite a few times. Some of them the rates are lower than what can be found on travel / hotel booking sites!

GEO PB quantum is roughly 1 month less, compared to other CS.
Can check on the CS bonus thread.

If EOs get 1.5 months for C grade, other ministries and stat boards give 2.5.

Adds up to about the same eventually.

Depends on what you are doing.

Promotion is based on the school's appraisal of your ability to perform at higher levels, not just by how much you do.

In other words, you need to take on portfolios that are above your paygrade, which has visible impacts at the school level. For example, initiating and leading a project that affects an entire cohort, or the entire school.
Or like what others mentioned, internal KP appointments.

Doing a lot of work within your paygrade, merely makes you a hardworking worker. Which might explain your good performance bonus.

A GEO3 can be a member of multiple committees, coordinator for many levels and streams, be teacher in charge of CCA. But these are considered routine work, and usually the officer is just executing other people's ideas, helping to achieve other people's KPI.

Ask your RO if you can be reassigned to other roles that allow you showcase your ability to perform above your paygrade.

Can consider applying for HQ position. After a couple of years, you have a good chance to be a KP, which will then accelerate your promotion to GEO4,5 and SEO1.

routine work is enough to kill.

Kinda disagree for this. The self-discounted rates on booking sites are even lower than the MESRC subsidised ones.

The MESRC ones only seem cheaper compared to the original travel/hotel rates.

8 years including or excluding contract teaching and NIE?

Do scholars with 4 or 6 year bonds still get the CONNECT plan according to the same schedule as non-scholars?

Is connect plan taxable if let’s say you don’t get payout this year?

You are only taxed on what you are paid. So if it is a non-payout year, you are not taxed on the CONNECT deposit. Or, if you fail to meet the required performance grade, you are not taxed because you do not receive the payout.

Are they not supposed to?

Hit ceiling doesn't mean auto promote. It's possible to be stuck at the ceiling for several years, but it happens more often to mid-career switchers (as they start higher along the same scale than fresh grads).

Agreed! There's fixed air time for each officer during ranking discussions. You can see how being IC of 1 school-wide initative can be perceived as more impactful than being a member of 10 small initiatives. In fact the former might be less work.

A more interesting question I have will be...if CONNECT plan already paid out, but break bond? Is the scholar liable to pay back that amount too?

Based on sch or HQ?

I asked P she said is dependant on HQ?

Excluding nie.

For me, also 8 yrs excluding contract n nie ..

Of cos P wants to push the blame to HQ and avoid being the bad guy lah

Yes, it is true that promotion is ultimately determined by HQ.

But P has the power to raise your CEP, award good performance grades, and accelerate pace of promotion.

Within schools, there are people from same course, same year, same honours, being promoted at different pace.

Where does hq gets the inputs to decide on the different pace of promotion?

Of course from the school lah.

I knew it. Thanks for sharing. Maybe it's time to go to another sch

If you're willing to take a gamble, then I guess it's good to try.

Transferring does have its political complications. Also know of someone who's been applying to transfer out for years but somehow it's very hard to get out mainly due to lack of vacancies. Again, this may depend on your luck due to limited choices.

Yes it's true, but it can't be done for everyone. If you have 'market spoilers' in the same subgrade as you in your school, they'll get the good grades while you wait. Whether you are viewed and rewarded as a 'good performer' with 'high potential', unfortunately, is always relative to others that you are being compared to.

Small fish in a big pond, or big fish in a small pond?

I have been in service for 7 years already and still stuck at Geo 3.

I decided to switch to a new school. Hopefully that would increase my chances of getting promoted

what is GEO 3 pay ?

Actually, no.
Your new school will have to observe you at least for 2 years before raising your CEP so ultimately, about the same