Hardly a living soul uses 'strong' or 'weak' to describe the adequacy of sentence structures; it is after all not the 'strength' but the 'quality' of the structures that is called into question, so 'bad' or 'poor' should instead be used.

But I digress.

Yes, the day one statement is a fact. The very fact you're on this page reflects your self consciousness too.They are all facts.Let me put this out *If I was a local u grad I would not be wasting my time on this page but since that is not the case I will continue* There is nothing to debate about. Local u grads will always have the upper hand that is until they fall. People always fall and pick themselves up when they have realised they have.You will fall too and you know what I will do when you fall? I will leverage on your disadvantage and jump on your listless body.

People only get irritated when SIM grads keep thinking they are on par with local uni grads.
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Looks like the only people who get irritated are local U grads so in order to fix that they have to come here and talk to a bunch of anons to prove their point.Very smart indeed! Yes Sir I agree with what ever you have said but telling people about your 2nd upper and achievements is doing what good on this page? Look into the mirror, the reflection you will see is supposed to be a gentleman with qualities of those of a leader's but thats not what I see here.Ranting about your achievements only reflects your concern. You're presence on this page reflects your fear,your anxiety,the necessity to obliterate the threat.
Private U grad a threat? How absurd I would say if I was a local Uni grad but I wouldn't be here if I was one because seriously you're joking right? But you're here to dance I guess :-/

This is gibberish and speaks for the quality of so-called grads from private universities. Did you even pass English at GCE O level?

This is not my English exam to prove my English to you. You see let's not get into whose English is better because since you're from a local u yours must "obviously" be better right it goes without saying but you see what I have realised when people aren't able to argue a point is that they hit the emergency button which is "Try to put down the other individual in any way possible" speaking about my English is one way so yeah sure go tell the world I have bad English because I can't care any less. My last post was full of humor and so is this and if you look at the time span between comments you would notice that local u grads(or you) are really fast to jump on people.Looks like you spend the day refreshing the page to see who comments lol So much insecurity? Why? I thought you're better,obviously you are I'm not saying you aren't but the fear kills doesn't it? Sure jump on me as often as you like but let me warn you I'm like a spring :)

We have some dead writers here:

://.livewritethrive.com/2015/03/04/building-blocks-avoiding-weak-sentence-construction/

://classroom.synonym.com/weak-verb-sentence-structure-3208.html

The other guy never commented on this post and for the last post he commented in 7 minutes and now it's been over 20 minutes and he disappeared. Well of course that's going to happen when you hit the emergency button. The emergency button is like an eject button in a jet he ejected then how to fire missiles? LOL okay jokes aside
My local Uni friends if you do come here, please do give people constructive advice on job experiences or motivation which can help people. Don't sneer at individuals because it isn't gonna do anyone good. Don't be like the last guy who tried to jump on a spring lol

My point is, if you are smart and hardworking enough, there is hope.

This is the post which I was replying to:
"After reading this, i feel those who took their "private degree" @ PSB, MDIS, SIM & etc had just burn their money away.

Can anyone from "private degree" rebut this guy/gal?
It's kind of demoralizing to hear."

The person I replied to was demoralised and felt that private students asked for a rebuttal. I said "no". There is no need for a rebuttal. All that is said is mostly true (I expressed disagreement about the campus recruiting being a killer) and still there will surely be hope to do well as long as you ARE BETTER. (false dichotomy fallacy)

Then whether one is better is another story. I am not here to argue about that. If you suck, even if you go a local university nothing will come out of it.

People need to be FORWARD LOOKING. Failed to enter a local uni? Alright, now focus on becoming better. Of what point is it to debate what is already over? Does every student in a less reputable JC like YJC/IJC do worse than students from RIJC and HC ? No. There will be students from YJC/IJC scoring 90/90 A lvl rank points almost every year, and only 1/3 of RIJC and HC achieve that.

And I always stress my caveat "as long as you are better". There is no such thing as "doomed from day 1". Neither is does enrollment into a local university course promise a bright future.

General thoughts on the culture of this forum:
1) People need to be more open minded and accept the possibility that bright individuals with high potential slacked off in poly/JC, couldn't enter a local uni but still did better than local uni students in the end. Sure, only a small percentage of such people exist but they do exist. People are too quick to bash others the moment they hear that a private uni student did better. These people claiming high salaries after working for only a short span of time never said that this is a common outcome of students at their private school.

2) I find it hilarious that people are arguing about English. I aced A lvl GP. I'm a 4.0/4.0 gpa double degree local uni undergrad and the above is my standard of writing for an online forum. I have read forum posts that are written in better English. Does it mean that I am less intelligent than every one of those posters?

Probably. Thanks for telling us that SMU is all fluff and no substance as per the stereotype, Mr GP maestro.

That is your SIMian logic.

Anyway the advice is simply not to go SIM and waste your parents' money.

Go to more reputable universities.

And if you cannot make it, go for those skillsfuture earn and learn schemes.

There are many ways to upskill yourself outside of SIM.

For those who already got a SIM cert, too bad. It is already done.

How naive of you to assume I am from SIM, anyway it's irrelevant

So you think there are more opportunities outside the world of private degrees? Well please elaborate further to bolster your view. Give us at least 3 examples which can put private students on a higher ladder than they are now.

For those who already got a SIM cert, too bad. It is already done.[/QUOTE]

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Yeah too bad for you competition is too high, so your presence here is to discourage people and limit your competition. Why so much insecurity?

And you define substance not by content but the number of grammatical errors and sophistication of English used? Who is the one valuing presentation over substance? :-)

The last time I checked, the 10th percentile A lvl grades of my course grants immediate entry into over 80% of local uni courses. If my course mates and I have to compete with even less academically inclined students on exams, you can be assured that most of us will be at the right end of the bell curve. :-)

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Yeah too bad for you competition is too high, so your presence here is to discourage people and limit your competition. Why so much insecurity?[/QUOTE]

Stop living under a rock and go listen to PM Lee lah.

I am sure his examples would satisfy you.

But it is difficult to say because of SIMian logic. Or their other primate cousins.

Stop living under a rock and go listen to PM Lee lah.

I am sure his examples would satisfy you.

But it is difficult to say because of SIMian logic. Or their other primate cousins.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you quote whatever he said over here so we can debate.Since you're jobless all day refreshing the page, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

So much hatred against primates you have which reflect in your posts. Do you feel like beating them? Why don't you become a primate yourself as the saying goes "if you can't beat them, then join them"

I would be graduating from SIM-UOL soon; am in the Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Banking and Finance degree programme.
The job market seems quite quiet at the moment; would like to know how much salary i should expect for my first job.
I am interested to work in the finance industry; only got temp and part-time experiences.
I would most probably be graduating with a Second Upper class honours.

Thanks Seniors :)

Can expect low to mid 2k for your profile.

2.2-2.5. This year looks really bad though.

I know this is a sim uol thread. It doesn't matter what honours you get, im getting the same pay at uol first class. My degree was from Australia w/o honours.

That is if your interview skills are ****. Go to citco, fresh grad all come in at 3k basic. 95% sim students in there. Easy to get in hard to stay in

I wouldn't touch citco with a 10-ft pole. Some of us want something more prestigious.

grad last year.

offered a front office banking role for 8.5k.

sim-uol first class.

im sim-rmit first class.

offered a sales orientated banking role for 8k.

i ish offer 10k

Wa piang you all so low meh! I nv get a merit also have 12k liao!

All of you all lose me la! I 14k ok!

Im a clown from SIM, own you all with 20k!

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i am from Kaplan-Birmingham City University; earning 32k per month.

Look at all the recent replies above and you wonder why people just do not have a good perception of graduates from SIM.

Notwithstanding the credibility of their claims, their action of pushing each other down with their purported "higher salary than you" just speaks volume of their character.

Not sure if this poster is trolling or what, haha.

The previous few posts were obviously done by trolls, and not by actual SIM grads.

I feel bad for SIM students sometimes.

A lot of times, they can only get contract jobs at banks with a measly 2.8k whereas the same role for a local grad would get paid upwards of 3.5k and above doing the same thing and staffed as a full-timer.

Told my friends that I got offered a starting salary of 4.5k and all of them dropped their jaws but such figures are commonplace in local uni.

I honestly think its a toxic cycle where SIM students get shortchanged very badly, not because of the students' capabilities but the efforts that the school's administration takes towards their graduates' entirety including career paths.

Congratulations on obtaining such a high starting salary for your first job.
I believe such salary are usually drawn by grads in MA or related programmes etc which normal hires do not usually get.
As such you must be someone of a much higher caliber.
Since you said that it is common for local uni students to draw such pay, i can only derive that all your friends are from private uni since they are all shocked at your pay.
If such pay is so common then why are the average salary in the employment survey done for the 3 local unis below 4k for most of the course?

And pray tell what do you actually expect the school administration to do? Guarantee good paying jobs for everyone?

The opportunities are there for students to use. It is whether they want to use them.

Maybe SIM students are less competitive and more laid back when it comes to career planning. Somebody in this thread pointed out that most SIM students are about half to one year behind the hiring cycle as compared to the local uni students, who are already full force into the job hunt by the semester 2 of year 3. They also pad up their resumes long before that with internships and attachments.

There are opportunities to be seized and made use of. The school can only do so much. In fact, SIM students should be more on the ball in bettering their prospects since their school reputation already puts them at a disadvantage.

Most of the local unis have a career office that help their students tackle interviews, prepare resumes and crack case studies and so on. Before you go on to say this is spoonfeeding or anything - this model is extremely popular in the top US colleges and they use it as a selling point.

First of all i am not the local uni trolls who frequently post here but pureply commenting on an objective basis.

There is some truth to this post, subtle undertones aside, not just for SIM but for a lot of pte uni grads. I have heard a few first account anecdotes from relatives and friends that many employers (especially GLCs) tend to offer pte grads a diploma holder's position with promises of progression to a full uni grad's position after a few years. Why pay $X to a diploma holder when you can get a uni grad, albeit from a pte institution, for the same price?

you local grad? im from UOL and i got 6k for my first job.

banking, WM FO.

Everyone is going about speculating on things like career planning, school marketing, administration office, interview skills etc. to explain the vast difference in starting pay between private universities and the local ones.

Actually the most obvious and straight forward reason is there - generally speaking private grads are just not as good as local ones.

Think about it, why do big MNCs always hire only local grads? Is it because they are dumb and get taken in by smart marketing? They personally dislike private uni so discriminate against them? For some reason they want to incur bigger cost to hire a local grad when there is a cheaper alternative that can do the same from private uni?

These MNCs have long history, decades of experience hiring, and have seen millions of applicants all over the world. They don't do stupid things for no reason, all they care is profit and paying the least for the best. And they have assessed that it is more value added for them to offer a 4k job to a local grad then throw 2.8k to a private caliber candidate. Why is this so? Simply because NUS has a better career management office?

You can disagree with them, but that is more or less the market consensus at the end of the day. It is a far more dollars and cents rationale decision from extensive business experience companies have rather than just bias or blinded by slick marketing or interview tactics as some here seem to be implying.

Some redundant sales loser, lmfao!

friend, nobody calls wealth mgmt front office. stop saying that, people think u're retarded.

i'm from one of the local unis, started job hunting 1 year before i graduated. never touched my uni's career office or used any of their services. don't think they were very fantastic anyway. got an offer with an ib, close to 5 figures starting salary (monthly).

I came from poly btw, so have quite a number of SIM/pte uni friends. their attitude towards their careers are in stark contrast to those from the local unis. many of my friends don't even think about jobs/internships at all until AFTER they graduate. guys and girls, whether you're from a local or private uni, start job hunting a year before you graduate; be a little more hungry.

when he says commonplace, i don't think he means average.

some people in my course with 2nd upper and most people with FCH are getting >4k easily. 4.5k is also quite common among my friends.

but all of these cases do not make up even 50% of local uni grads, so it's not reflected in the GES

dun be elitist plz. everyone think like u of course we dun have facebook or apple.