you trying to bluff who? The number of STEM jobs in sg i can count with my fingers.

I'm the big 4 op. I agree that STEM majors are definitely smarter but it's an employer market at the moment. Do you know any civil or electronic engineering majors doing well in the industry? No right. Those that do well are not only smarter than SIM students but also within their cohorts. They go on to banks or other MA programmes. For the rest of us, if you have to choose between 2nd lower engineering or 2nd upper SIM, definitely go for SIM.

Are banking jobs really that desirable in this economic climate tho? Many banking roles, esp. those for fresh grads, are sales based, feels like it would be stressful to hit sales targets in economic downturn. Govt sector employ many civil and electronic engineers, its safer than banking jobs and pays decent. It’s definitely better for my mental health not being paranoid about losing my job every single day.

I was in banking. 2nd upper in uol is nothing, those that make it are those with relevant internship experiences. Plese don’t delude yourself by saying 2nd upper sim over 2nd lower engine. End of the day it is so easy to get a 2nd upper in uol that the quality is not there.

Don't bother to argue with them... They will still think they are damn zai, flung their studies but still ahead of others

They like to dream, let them dream

sim uol grad here. just go linkedin search global markets uol - let the results do the talk.

I see a lot of people sacked in the last few months. Looks like they were the expendable ones. Was that your point?

That's exactly what they are trying to tell us. LOL

don't say so much just go linkedin UOL, management associates

Continue to be deluded lols, u guys are the best at day dreaming

(Ignoring the trolls who flooded the forum)

Hiring manager here in a engineering MNC.

I have 1 headcount frozen since March 2020, initiated the interview process after receiving approval all the way from BU board management - we had a company wide hiring freeze since early this year.

Interviewed about 10 - 15 candidates, 30-40% were retrenched since early this year, some even have their entire department / BU closed in Singapore. This is when I feel the impact of COVID to the employment market.

The story didn’t end here, few weeks after I have completed my interview process and ready to make offer via HR, I was told that my company is having layoff in July and this position will now be frozen again, I have to tell my candidates this difficult decision and apologise to them.

We had 6 persons removed from our office, and eventually I have this position filled with internal transfer from another BU, have to make compromise on the qualification, fortunately we didn’t have the headcount removed.

I definitely cannot speak for other company / industry, but being in the service department of an engineering company, our forecast for the next 6-12 months is below average. Even if we are able to get vaccinated by end of 2020 (this needs a lot of luck!), the economy will not be out of the wood for another year, and it will never be the same anymore.

Remote working will be a new norm (we are in discussion among management team to downsize the office space), traveling will be a luxury for the next few years, e-commerce and cloud computing is the next big trend, etc.

Cry me a river

Cool story bro, how long did u take to come up with that?

Not quite sure why these self-proclaimed local uni students are so salty and bothered to leave such unwanted comments on this forum meant for SIM students to share their salaries...
Like bruhhhh go back to your books instead of whining and bitching about how SIM students are of a lower tier than you and how their salaries are so low compared to yours la
I’ve worked in HR before and I’ve seen local graduates coming out to earn only $2.5k in their first job (similar to private uni grads)
It’s not so much about where they get their degree in this case, it’s about the job that they’re looking for as well as the past working experiences that they had.
So stop comparing and complaining ya, your low self-esteem is apparent

No wonder u work in HR.... lepak life

depends on industry (i'm from mktg comms industry)
 

if you are from science/computing/accountant industry 3k may be ideal but for marketing/hr/mass comm, 2.5-2.8k is prolly the range you are looking for. (as of 2021 adjusted due to pandemic)

I am a private U grad and don't have much experience plus considering the pandemic, I value myself at 2.5k to compete with the big 4 students. However I have received some that offer up to 3.5k but it's a one month job as opposed to full time.

Some will have benefits (MC, dental, mobile phone allowance, AWS) with lower pay, some will pay off-in-lieu instead of OT, some will pay higher but no benefits or OT.

It's all about striking a balance here, corporate (big) companies tend to have more politics whereas SMEs market themselves as a 'fun' and 'close-knitted' company (tho whether they truly are remains to be seen). But SMEs/factory tend to pay less.

Given how there is a shortage of jobs in marketing rn because according to an agent, marketing is thr first to go in a pandemic/economic depression, if you are a mktg grad like me you might wanna consider taking up short admin asst assignments or sales to tide through and switch when times get better.

There would likely be a surge of jobs for mktg and related industries when our economy goes back to normal in the 'recovery' phase as companies would prolly be aggressively marketing to compete with competitors (once they ensure their survival they will aim to win their competitor, consider the Maslow's hierachy of needs).

Agree, 2.9k to 3k is already on the high end. I have friends all only stating 2.4k for fresh grad.

Yup starting pay is below 2500 nowadays for engineers

You think SME no play politics one ah? You tan ku ku lah :)

Agree it is tough to break into the marketing industry even without the pandemic, unless you are a top grad or female with at least decent looks.

2.5 - 3.5k for a typical non-MA/prog role

Accenture pays 4.9k now. It is non-MA/prog.

Well its consulting and ACN is known to be a sweat shop.

ACN are for losers only

Dont mislead please. 2.5k to 3.5k is the correct range.

I cannot agree more with this

Ya agreed. Accenture only pays 2.5k for fresh grads.

Dont mislead. Sweatshop accenture with no transferrable skills pay 4.4k for fresh grad.

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Not sure if what I'm hearing is totally off from my friends in the same year who have already secured advance offers but it seems like thread is a little off? I'm from Tech, most of us are either full stack(Java/Go/Python) with cloud (k8s/aws certified/gcp/devops) or are ML analysts (image/text/data). These are the salary offered, will indicate it as a range.

GovTech (TAP): 5k to 6.5k (all previous interns)
GS(Tech): 6k to 7k (all previous interns)
Citi(Tech): 5k to 6k (all previous interns)
SME(Tech): 5k to 6k (all previous interns)
Shopee(Tech): 4.5k to 5.5k (all previous interns)

Honours wise, everyone in the list is at least a second upper. Majority are first class.

seems accurate, but i am genuinely surprised that SMEs are willing to fork out the money to match

I have done the needful and concurred as well.

True, but if FCH they usually give closer to 3000.

Citi TAP is 4.5k when they offered me late last year. Initially thought it was above 5k as well (from what i've read in this forum), but that is untrue.
Shopee starting is 5.6k for me, heard of others who got higher. Doubt anyone with a 2nd upper is getting under 5k here.

How pathetic must one be to constantly perpetuate inaccurate information (of which only those not ITK would take as the truth) via self-replies lol

These fking weirdos who probably tryna spread false info to lower the competition for entry really gtg