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Unregistered 15-04-2023 11:57 AM

grade H to I how long on average?

Unregistered 15-04-2023 12:22 PM

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Toxic Senior Management
10 Apr 2023 - Software Engineer

Pros

General staff benefits are good, and work-life balance is better than most of the other government agencies.

Cons

The senior management appear to lack concern for the well-being of their staff, particularly those in GDS central. The senior management team in GDS central may come across as kind and friendly, but they true character is far from it. They are solely concerned with impressing their superiors and showcasing the software's capabilities, without regard for the challenges faced by software developers in implementing such features. Despite the impracticality of these demands, they puts immense pressure on the team to deliver, often requiring excessive overtime. Their only concern is saving face, with little regard for anything else.

Another issue is the company's salary policies. When employees have raised concerns about their salaries not being competitive, the senior management dismissed them, citing their salaries as already being too high. It is apparent that this statement only applies to the senior management, who take credit for the work of the software engineers and reap the rewards, such as good grades and high bonuses. Meanwhile, the developers themselves receive mediocre grades and low bonuses, despite their hard work.

It is advised to approach joining Govtech, particularly GDS central, with caution. The senior management team put little regard for their well-being.

Advice to Management

The CE and HR should reconsider their approach to placing individuals in senior management positions.

Unregistered 16-04-2023 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246259)
grade H to I how long on average?

i would said is 3-6 years

Unregistered 16-04-2023 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246347)
i would said is 3-6 years

What's the salary range for grade I?

Unregistered 16-04-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246347)
i would said is 3-6 years

What's the salary range for grade H?

Unregistered 16-04-2023 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246363)
What's the salary range for grade H?

H is MX12 equivalent? Higher end of the range should be 8-9k?

Unregistered 17-04-2023 10:32 PM

What is the assessment period for the 2023 October Promotion? Is it 2022 Jan - Dec?

Unregistered 17-04-2023 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246491)
What is the assessment period for the 2023 October Promotion? Is it 2022 Jan - Dec?

2022 Apr - Dec

Unregistered 17-04-2023 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246347)
i would said is 3-6 years

how about G to H leh??

Unregistered 17-04-2023 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246494)
how about G to H leh??

average 2-5 years

Unregistered 18-04-2023 11:15 AM

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Rank Company Score Industry

142 GovTech 7.35 Government Services

40 Economic Development Board (EDB) 7.98 Government Services
50 Agency for Science, Technology and Research (ASTAR) 7.91 Government Services
154 Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC) 7.31 Banking and Financial Services
164 Health Promotion Board (HPB) 7.26 Government Services
176 JTC Corporation 7.21 Government Services
190 Building and Construction Authority (BCA) 7.18 Government Services
191 Housing & Development Board (HDB) 7.18 Government Services
204 Health Sciences Authority (HSA) 7.12 Government Services
214 Ministry of Finance (MOF) 7.10 Government Services
222 SkillsFuture Singapore (SSG) 7.06 Government Services
224 Home Team Science and Technology Agency (HTX) 7.05 Government Services
229 Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) 7.04 Government Services
233 Intellectual Property Office of Singapore (IPOS) 7.03 Government Services
249 Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) 6.97 Government Services

Unregistered 18-04-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246497)
average 2-5 years

F to G leh? Can 1 year? Just want to be not an associate. Even with the title change from Associate to (I), everyone knows that it is still an associate title!!!

Unregistered 18-04-2023 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246530)
F to G leh? Can 1 year? Just want to be not an associate. Even with the title change from Associate to (I), everyone knows that it is still an associate title!!!

yeah, F to G 1 year is possible

Unregistered 19-04-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246530)
F to G leh? Can 1 year? Just want to be not an associate. Even with the title change from Associate to (I), everyone knows that it is still an associate title!!!

are you serious? you mean people now care about titles ah

Unregistered 19-04-2023 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246615)
are you serious? you mean people now care about titles ah

not the op
you don't care doesn't mean other people don't care, could be your title high enough so you have no this concern!

Unregistered 19-04-2023 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246530)
F to G leh? Can 1 year? Just want to be not an associate. Even with the title change from Associate to (I), everyone knows that it is still an associate title!!!

isn't F like senior associate already?

Unregistered 19-04-2023 10:12 PM

3 YOE ML engineer here

How much should I ask for? I hear Gov tech pays about 16 months for annual salary and I earn 100-ish k annual currently so ask for 7+k base pay?

Unregistered 19-04-2023 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246643)
not the op
you don't care doesn't mean other people don't care, could be your title high enough so you have no this concern!

no leh my title not high but my pay high haha. good enough for me

Unregistered 19-04-2023 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246652)
3 YOE ML engineer here

How much should I ask for? I hear Gov tech pays about 16 months for annual salary and I earn 100-ish k annual currently so ask for 7+k base pay?

bro/sis aim higher

new job, be a little more daring. job changes are your biggest pay jumps

Unregistered 19-04-2023 11:27 PM

Are people who have worked more than 5 years but are still Associates and people who have worked more than 20 years but still cannot be promoted to Senior in Govtech just incompetent?

Unregistered 20-04-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246655)
no leh my title not high but my pay high haha. good enough for me

May I ask what range your current salary falls within? and grade?

Unregistered 20-04-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246659)
Are people who have worked more than 5 years but are still Associates and people who have worked more than 20 years but still cannot be promoted to Senior in Govtech just incompetent?

don't be so mean, have seen >10 years still associate, >20 years still not senior. it depends on your project, RO

Unregistered 20-04-2023 11:58 AM

If convert to MX scheme, what would be the equivalent grade?

D-F = mx13
G-H = mx12
I = mx11
J = mx11a
k = mx10

correct?

Unregistered 20-04-2023 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246684)
don't be so mean, have seen >10 years still associate, >20 years still not senior. it depends on your project, RO

tbh these people don't deserve the grade also la. no drive

Unregistered 20-04-2023 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246659)
Are people who have worked more than 5 years but are still Associates and people who have worked more than 20 years but still cannot be promoted to Senior in Govtech just incompetent?

Yes sir, you are the best, you number one

Unregistered 21-04-2023 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246687)
If convert to MX scheme, what would be the equivalent grade?

D-F = mx13
G-H = mx12
I = mx11
J = mx11a
k = mx10

correct?


Grade doesn’t matter

Unregistered 21-04-2023 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246752)
Grade doesn’t matter

I got the offer, mx scheme now, just want to make sure didn't lowballed by the HR

Unregistered 21-04-2023 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246752)
Grade doesn’t matter

It still matters and affects the overall package. If grade don't matter then why they still have it? Might as well just remove it.

Unregistered 21-04-2023 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246794)
It still matters and affects the overall package. If grade don't matter then why they still have it? Might as well just remove it.

I think u r a very narrow minded person n don think out of the box… If mapping the same MX grades salary to GT grades salary, it won’t match hence I said grades don matter…. all it matters is the salary offered..

Unregistered 21-04-2023 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246760)
I got the offer, mx scheme now, just want to make sure didn't lowballed by the HR

What was the offer?

Unregistered 21-04-2023 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246760)
I got the offer, mx scheme now, just want to make sure didn't lowballed by the HR

I see, depending if u r going to do movement policy or resign n join.

Unregistered 21-04-2023 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246800)
I see, depending if u r going to do movement policy or resign n join.

resign n join.

Unregistered 22-04-2023 08:33 AM

Hello world, any news for company bonus?

Unregistered 22-04-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246816)
Hello world, any news for company bonus?

Judging by the recent CE email, I think should be similar to last year.

Unregistered 24-04-2023 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246798)
I think u r a very narrow minded person n don think out of the box… If mapping the same MX grades salary to GT grades salary, it won’t match hence I said grades don matter…. all it matters is the salary offered..

There's always a mapping. Just depends HR inform him/her anot regardless of difference in salary range. Logically they should peg candidate to current grade if existing experience counts, so that in way he/she is not being disadvantaged. If you don't know then just keep quiet. Anyhow bark just show how ignorant you are.

Unregistered 24-04-2023 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246959)
There's always a mapping. Just depends HR inform him/her anot regardless of difference in salary range. Logically they should peg candidate to current grade if existing experience counts, so that in way he/she is not being disadvantaged. If you don't know then just keep quiet. Anyhow bark just show how ignorant you are.


I don’t think you know what u are talking about, CS to GT’s salary ranges are different and GT HR do not map or share them. And yes, there’s a mapping but not the CS grade that matters.

I’m a grade j hiring manager and there are a lot of Js around, I can bark around woof woof. Better than u just trying to smoke people.

Unregistered 24-04-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246801)
resign n join.

Likely 20-25% from ur last drawn

Unregistered 25-04-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246963)
I don’t think you know what u are talking about, CS to GT’s salary ranges are different and GT HR do not map or share them. And yes, there’s a mapping but not the CS grade that matters.

I’m a grade j hiring manager and there are a lot of Js around, I can bark around woof woof. Better than u just trying to smoke people.

how much does a grade J make?

Unregistered 25-04-2023 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 246963)
I don’t think you know what u are talking about, CS to GT’s salary ranges are different and GT HR do not map or share them. And yes, there’s a mapping but not the CS grade that matters.

I’m a grade j hiring manager and there are a lot of Js around, I can bark around woof woof. Better than u just trying to smoke people.

salary range for grade H and I?

Unregistered 26-04-2023 08:10 PM

Grade G is equivalent to what ah? No longer tagged as Associate level right?


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