as someone who has completed residency, i wished i have done a specialty where there is no patient contact and then enjoy life outside medicine.
each to their own, but that is my personal thought. i dont like stresses and much rather build up a hustle or hobby outside work.

Why in the world did you ever study medicine then?
It's dumb isn't it?

For those taking mmed, dont worry this year exam like thst

next year exam sure easy. close eye also will pass.

Just study chill sure pass next year already .

Is it worth it to get a free mcfps?
I have mmed but wondering is it worth it to spend 20min to write the 500 word article

free meh?
need to pay lei

Just wondering why the forums are mostly filled with posts from Gp/ family medicine practitioners. Where are all the specialists? Or are only GPs so free to post on forums like these.

Usually gp fam med needs more validation.
The specialists either too busy as trainees or enjoying life post exit

Specialists all make at least $1m a year and more.
They dont bother with the small stuff.
GP and Mmed give them 300k they happy like bird.
Specialists laugh...

I take it that you are not a doctor to say that :)

Yep. or finding imaginary scapegoats for their own deficiencies. I shall not name location.

On the contrary. I went through med school and training.
All that clerking and patient contact for so many years
So that you sit in an office typing in a computer?
What a waste.
Wish you all the best anyways....

Can I ask do fmc (family medicine clinics) - think there are only 8 of them in Singapore function more like polyclinic or also gp style?

There is only one right way to practice fam med
That is mmed polyphonic way
Any other way is unorthodox and heretic

As I said before medicine is where smart people go
to become dumb followers.

It is how the profession works.

Some "expert" or "professor" or "head of something"
sits at a committee and writes some expert guideline
or recommendation and everyone else follows

All group think.

Im not the OP but that is super narrow minded thinking.
You either just graduated, or you graduated so long ago with super backward thinking (ie boomer)

Why narrow? Just stating a fact. People go into medicine to become doctors.
Doctors treat people. They are generally not considered administrative workers (although we can argue if the amount of admin work we are given these days changes that but it is a different story)
Would you advise a med school candidate going for interview to say that they want to study med and then do admin after grad?
It is generally not something we want most of the cohort to do.
Having MBBS does open doors for some specific non-clinical opportunities but the bulk of the work in clinical. Clinical work also tends to pay the best (unless you are a GP or Fam Med).

?? u obviously have no idea what some GPs are raking in.

There are outliers of course. The context was
Admin medical work eg public health MOH vs clinical.
Which pays more generally?

I'm currently a resident, never tried going out to locum before. Can I ask why some people would prefer to be an anchor GP over locum? It seems like locums can earn much more when the work is essentially the same

Anchor can make way more if u ey gan.
When u are a profit generator clinic owner have to profit share with u.
If not u move next day and open your own clinic, he will suck thumb.
Of cse that's if u good.

If u no charisma like me..better stay in polyclinic dutifully earn the 250k a year salary.

Locum is no future.
Good to chiong short period make lots of money
Or if u desire flexibility.
Or u really cannot make it medically and don't want to harm pple.
Once I made enuff and have a nest of money..I will turn locum also.

How much is "enuff and have a nest of money"?

thank you.
to me, nothing is a waste in life :) i have no regrets and i am very happy!

250K is consultant?

Good attitude to have!
But we dont get younger. So it is good to have a focus in life too.
I guess it depends on your goals in life too.

250k is RP
Fm con is 400k

Wow. Amazing!

Ac. Stuck there a few years liao
I failed fellowship once ..traumatize so never go take exit exam again so cannot promote
Ok la, AC and con is 1k salary difference. No different to my life but turn con arrow a lot.
Now farming mode as ac. I siam arrow pple also dun come bother me. Tio arrow do bare minimum.
Work 8 to 5 minimum to meet requirement
4 years earn 1 million. Avarage about 50 percent saved.
I hope to semi retire in 10 years..living off some dividend. Maybe bully my head to give me part time.

Rp 250k?
This forum really full of corksters anyhow
400k? That's CEO salary liao.
Once u m.med the salary don't jump anymore.
Ac one increment, c one increament. SC u wait long long.

Mmed AC 250k/year? My seniors who passed mmed tell me that their pay is 8.6k, with 1.25k allowance for the mmed. Sign on bonus 50k over 3 years (but this is one off)
Where got 250k. (Even taking into account bonus, which I guess is 4-5 mth all in, inclusive of aws)

And you say once mmed salary don't jump, surely there is annual increments in public sector for inflation? Even lowly mo's get around 3-4% increment yearly leh.

I see that more and more people doing fellowship nowadays (they even have to reject some applicants). Can I ask is there still a place/role for a mmed farmer/quiet quitter in ops in the long term? (I e just do bare minimum from 8-5 and Siam all the arrows)

Somehow I feel that ops is like a small pond with many big fishes and ambitious people..

Me lo.
Aiyah. There are only so many head and deputy head or clinic director positions and each appointment is 5 years.
Go up hq director position even lesser.
10 years ago no one want to do m.med and ops was hardiship posting. Pple come to get experience before go private. Now it's life style posting got 4 pple apply for 1 position, albeit a lot is applying as reserve.
it's the largest residency cohort, cant be everyone rise and not everyone want to rise. And of cse got cannot make it pple like me, tick all requirement to rise but exams cannot pass and decide to call it a day.

If they don't allow u to farm..then how? If only high flyer stay on, all ops will get getting are the lazy rp, fp manning the show downstairs.

To that guy that quote some salary...go ask Ur senior somemore la.
The salary not as simple as 8.6 plus 1.25. many things make up ur annual.

Also..u siibei jialat. Can u understand the word jump or not. It means a large increase. JUMP.
The largest jump u will see is resident turn m.med fp. After that got annual increament and rank increment only. There's only 3 rank after fp. Ac is gauranted unless u screw up. C u have to fight and pass fellowship. SC is when u are someone godson/daughter.
Each rank give u 800 to 1k more. Increament u can't be zai and year after year get exceptional one.
Meet is 3.x percent, exceed is 4.x, and exceptional is 5-6.x with some small variability peg to inflation.
If u high flyer u will average 5.x percent increment over course of a career while normal chaps 3.x to 4.x. farmer like me 3.x few years liao.
Hence u have no jump in salary after Ur m.med. if u work damn hard Ur salary rise slope can be steep but there is no more jump. U might get a bump when u up rank, but that is 12k annually only. Like 5 percent of your annual.
Get it ?

Why cannot 250k?
I got exceed and exceptional for a few years so early salary rise quite decently.
Infact I exceed 250k for a few years because I got a multipler to my service component. If u dunno what I'm talking about..then u not at that level to know...
Now is just meet so no extra

Sigh . Life is as such.

Good for you, hopefully I can get there is I pass my mmed next year.
I must say 250k/year is really good, certainly higher than what some of the ACs are getting in hospital. (Of course they have better progression) And let's not forget mmed as hard as it is, is after all only a registrar lvl qualification (i.e it judged equivalent to mrcp/mrcs etc).

Just doing some math....

8.6k plus 1.25 is the start.

1st year
8.6X12 = 103,200
8.6X1.25=10,750
Total = 113,950
Plus CPF contribution by employer = 17%X113950 = 19,37150
Grand total = 133,321.50

2nd year increase by 6%
9.12X12 = 109,440
9.12*1.25 = 11,400
Total = 120,840
CPF = 20,542.80
Grand total = 141382.80

3rd year increase by 6%
9.67*12 = 116,040
9.67*1.25 = 12,087.50
CPF = 21,781.68
Grand total = 149,909.18

4th year increase by 6%
10.25*12 = 123,000
10.25*1.25 =12,813
Total = 135,813
CPF = 23,088.21
Grand Total = 158901.21

5th year increase by 6%
10.865*12 = 130,380
10.865*1.25 = 13,581.25
Total = 143,961.25
CPF = 24,473.41
Grand Total = 168,434.66

6th year increase by 6%
11.52*12=138,240
11.52*1.25=14,400
total = 152,640
CPF = 25,948.80
Grand Total = 178,588.80

7th year increase by 6%
12.21*12=146,534.40
12.21*1.25=15,262.50
total = 161796.90
CPF = 27,505.47
Grand total = 189,302.37

8th year increase by 6%
12.94*12=155,311
12.94*1.25 = 16,175
total = 171,486
CPF = 29,152.62
Grand Total = 200,638.62

9th year increase by 6%
13.72*12=164,596.80
13.72*1.25=17,150
total = 181746.80
CPF = 30,896.96
Grand T = 212,643.75


10th year increase by 6%
14.54*12=174,518.40
14.54*1.25=18,175
Total = 192,693.40
CPF = 32757.88
Grand T = 225,451.27

11th year increase by 6%
15.41*12=184,948.80
15.41*1.25=19,262.50
Total = 204,211.3
CPF = 34,715.92
Grand T = 238,927.22

12th year increase by 6%
16.33*12=196,015.20
16.33*1.25=20,412.50
Total = 216,427.70
CPF = 36,792.71
Grand T = 253,220.40

So after 12 years at standard progression of salary will hit 250k a year after 12 years of passing MMed.

Maybe there are some other bonus perks I am unaware of. But it is definitely realistic. I do think that the 250-300k mark is probably the limit though.

like OP says 400k is for the CEO.

BTW

Total earnings for the 12 years is $2,035,691.60

Take what you read online with a big pinch of salt ya?
250k a year will get some hospital consultant salivating already.

These days 250k isnt a lot.
If consultants and ACs arent making 250k a year that would suprise me
The 8.6k plus 1.25 works out to about 135k a year as a start

How much is it for hospital consultants?

Beyond 6k, doesn’t attract cpf for ordinary wages.


Who is the fm curriculum head nowadays? Need to drop him an email
Does fam med teach u ordinary maths or sg CPF contribution.?

I’m worried abt mmed fm Standard nowadays.
My time we will look at cpf allocation rates etc but you tester doesn’t know hair.

Then it's even worse! How does that OP say he or she can get 250k a year then?

I did this as bait. LOL!

What is the true earnings of an AC and Con at OPS? Will the real slim shady please come out?

open secret that mmed fm standard has fallen, especially at somemplaces

only GDFM standard maintained.

You all are so funny. Lol!

i can confirm, this is 100% accurate and legit

by the time you are 50 years old, you will be earning 31k / monthly

5 years later, 41k / monthly

another 5 years later, 55k / monthly

100% legit, math checks out.