IB, but it's harder to get in than law.

about to graduate in a month and haven’t got a TC. feeling bleak, any advice?

keep trying. are you a local uni grad?

I am currently Year 2 in NUS law, my transcript is filled with Cs and Ds. Should I give up and change course?

What is your career goal? Are you fine with practising in bottom tier law firms? What are your alternative courses? Hard to advise without the full picture.

UK uni grad. Didn’t get any TC in both SG and UK.

Quite common for UK law grads to be unemployed, especially those from delisted unis.

Only Oxbridge/UCL/LSE is worth the risk of spending so much money studying a law degree overseas

Warwick/KCL/Durham degrees are useless because the universities are degree mills. Those who got poor A level results can just apply for a law foundation programme in those unis and progress on to the law degree after that

Which are the best non-law alternative career options for law grads?

Do graduate medicine in the US, it’s tough to enter and quite costly but everything is pretty much guaranteed if you are willing to study hard.

Pretty much guaranteed path to be a medical specialist/surgeon, rather than studying in Singapore.

There’s a huge bottleneck of training spots in Singapore and most of the local medical grads end up as GP.

Surgeons in private practice can earn more than 1 million/year, even specialities like Neurology/Respiratory Medicine can net you least 500K/year in private practice.

Best of which, it’s recession proof and you can keep earning money reliably, as long your skills and age allow.

could you drop me a pm if you are serious about getting a TC and this is not a troll post. will see how i can help.

s://lawgazette.com.sg/practice/practice-matters/the-road-to-a-more-equitable-system-of-legal-practice-training/

Lol @ tc pay, $2k in 2010, $2k in 2023

not a troll. could u advise generally on this forum? durham law grad

Experienced lawyer here, now in-house (~7-8PQE)

Always been pretty curious why lawyering remains so popular among the younger ones. The fundamental issues plaguing our industry hasn't changed since more than a decade ago when i was a law student vying for TCs and then retention.

Oversupply at entry level, under-supply/attrition at mid level, terrible WLB, poor pay per hour, oftentimes bad mentors and bosses, or at the very least lousy managers (since technical legal skills don't translate well to people mgmt).

Now that law has lost its lustre to other industries like tech, why is it still so attractive? Amazingly, tHis industry still finds a way to suck in a fair amount of bright young JC kids when they have other better options.

One of my peers is claiming on LinkedIn that she graduated in the top 10% of her law cohort when she didn’t. How to flag this to MinLaw and what are the repercussions?

The backstabbing is real. I bet you are still “friends” with her in real life, smiling in front of her but secretly plotting her demise behind her back.

What better options? Straight As JC students will only opt for either Law or Medicine. What’s the point of opting for courses like business or engineering, when you have studied so hard to get the good grades. Medicine is also a long grind, something which is not very tolerable for many youths these days. Hence, many choose Law instead. Tech is way more competitive than Law due to the lower barriers to entry. Anyone can enter Tech as long they have a bachelors degree, not necessarily in software engineering or computing.

What better options? Tech is generally more competitive than Law, and there’s so many Indians coming here to snatch jobs.

It’s either Law or Medicine for a Straight A student. Law is a faster route and costs less. Medicine involves a huge bond commitment if you are studying in NUS/NTU.

Average offer for 4 pqe. You could take it and then hop for more pay in 1-2 years.

just making a referral to the small/mid firm I am working at if the person really can't get a TC.

UK grad starting my TC soon at an MC firm in London. Definitely planning to move back to Sg at some point in the future after qualification - mainly because parents are very old and family is there.

Around which PQE would be best to consider moving back to Sg? Are there any practice areas in which it would be better for me to qualify if I'm eventually going to move back?

All the MCs have a significant presence in SG so not difficult. Just don't do litigation.

That's because in one's youthful naivete, the kiddos assume that they would be the exception to the rule. After all, they are and may always have been top students and would surely overcome the issues plaguing the industry. No hate, I was once a young naive kiddo too.

Any views on this legal counsel opening: Cresco Investments?

i’m tired of living in fear of my boss, not knowing what will set the person off

do corp lawyers work the same punishing hours as liti lawyers in the B4?

That role is almost always permanently open. My guess is that it’s a revolving door of 0-1PQE lawyers not knowing what they are getting themselves into and quitting once they realise that it is a terrible workplace with horrid culture.

I have had friends who interviewed for the role and they did not have good things to say.

Looked at their website. No investments officer. The founder is an ex lawyer. Legal & compliance people are malaysian lawyers. Some marketing and BD people.

Contrary to what their name "investments" suggests and their "live deals" page , if u look at their service offerings, they are actually a small transactions/deals advisory shop and not an investments firm.

if you want you can pm me too and we can talk. not a troll post.

Being a loud mouth really helps ? Guess the phrase empty vessels makes the most noise has lost its meaning these days

Will AI replace lawyers? Is this a bad time to study law?

Should I drop out of law school? what is the ****ing point of memorising cases when AI can do it better? One day if Lexis Advanced collaborates with OpenAI, we all will be useless. **** this **** bro. Should have studied CS instead of this broken, sunset industry degree. Waste of time and energy for all this.

Oversaturated la. Too many fresh grads entering this sunset industry. The possibility of AI taking over the legal industry. Toxic colleagues and classmates. Ego-centric professors. CMI into top law firms because grades are slightly below cut-off GPA and poor connections/networking skills.
**** studying law. Spent so much time memorising cases. For what? Now AI can search cases faster than humans.

Yet every day when I come to this forum, I still see people talking about how oversaturated the industry is or how too many kids going into law. I find it weird how actual professionals in this industry frequently shame talk down to their juniors. In other industries, they welcome their juniors and encourage kids to study the same degree. But in law, bunch of narcissistic lawyers discourage kids from studying law. Fear of competition? This industry is filled with assholes. Even worse than surgeons, architects.

Hahaha every thing you mentioned in the first para is factually wrong. I suspect you're some non legally trained person with 0 insights into the industry, trolling.

excellent assumption but im actually a current law student but i cringe looking at some previous comments. Complaining about how oversaturated the industry is. Or complaining about junior lawyers. My seniors are all going into CS but not law btw. must be some jaded senior associates complaining about competition after not making partner.

Let me guess: Salty Malaysian who can't get citizenship or a job in Singapore, no-name T100 law school, **** grades in 1L, gambling addict

Is wendy lin a lesbian?

How are the bar exam cheats doing now?

yep that's my reddit account

sup dude

Genuine question: if that is the case then why are there still no many uK unis listed as scheduled universities?