the days of such brand names being great place for freshies are long passe

Yep, these brand name are like 4 years ago :P outdated already.

Anyone heard of the 1+ 2 tapper program?

I feel a bit unfair to many senior/lao jiao staff who are at level 11 for 3 years or more

I myself is one is level 11 for very long, then now suddenly new joiner can be promoted in 1 year?

I ask them to promote me straight to lvl 9, then they told me they can only promote me to level 10 and I have to wait another 2 year?? :mad:

It's a free market, no one is forcing you to stay - they are not obliged to do what you think they should do. You can leave for a better company (that treats you better) if another company is willing to take you in.

sure, but it doesn't change the fact it is unfair

Its not unfair. Companies aren't obliged to care about your career development. If you don't like it then leave. Like the poster above, its a free market. If you are really being underpaid for your qualifications and experience another company will treat you better.

How on earth do you stay analyst for 3 years?
It's a free market. No one forcing you to stay.

I dk they just never promote me due to covid and watever reason

I want to be promoted

sounds “entitled” .

If you are so much better than an analyst you would have been promoted long ago. Or better yet you would have been hired to another better role elsewhere already.

The fact that you are still an analyst means you cant make it.

I belong to the same pool. I am sure this consideration have been thought of when they were making this decision and they have made the calculated decision. We have to make the same calculated decision as well.

Obviously their calculated decision is based on the fact that those analysts who are still analysts after 1-2 years are simply people who cant make it. And if they are still around all the more they shouldnt be promoted since they cant get another job elsewhere anyway.

So essentially this group of analysts shall remain as analysts and diam diam.

To be honest I feel like you sound a little too harsh here. I know of a lot of analysts who stayed at Level 11 for 3 years. Their performance has been nothing short of amazing. It just happens that they just shuffle around projects and they do not have enough runway in their current project to be recommended for promotion. Promotion used to be dependent on budget and your project manager can only recommend a few analysts for promotion. The criteria to be recommended for promotion is not entirely due to performance, your tenure in the project matters as well. I believe that your career is a marathon and people choose to stay for a variety of reasons. The fact that you think that it’s easy to get a job in this Covid climate shows that you are self entitled. Nothing comes easy, even for individuals with 10 years of experience. Also, I do feel that it is unfair for SAs to clock another 2 years before they get promoted but I feel that the pay at Level 9 is worth the wait. Even if one were to job hop once every year, I think it would be difficult to command a Level 9 pay at the end of 2 years.

Well I'm this day and age employees have come to realize that employers are as replaceable as employees are.

3 years + stuck in same rank u join ??? Means u really cannot make it..
Do u get yearly increment??

What the increment like from analysts to senior analyst???
Current analysts alrdy getting 4.9 gross after allownace

Before you comment, try to understand how promotion works.

… I know the game la. I here how long already. Every August have yearly performance review they call it “talent discussion”. The outcome determines if u get promote in the Dec cycle. Those who never promote probably barely “meets expectation” or even below. If exceed expectation how to not promote u? The faster u promote means u can take on more responsibility why not?

many people only wanna get promoted based on yr in svc

I think you missed out the affordability factor. Before the talent discussion takes place, your PM will rate your performance and determine whether you are ready for promotion or not. If you are in a project with a lot of analysts/you just joined a new project before the talent discussion, you will be put at a lower priority for promotion. The PM has to access the budget and see whether they can afford having more senior analysts on the project. It’s not solely based on performance. To be honest, the criteria to be a senior analyst isn’t that difficult to hit. I really don’t believe that most of the 3 year analysts fail to get promoted due to performance.

L9 pay a lot mrh? 10k a month?

10k is manager liao lor.. AM also not even close. L9 probably 6k ish

Why is it unfair for SAs? Isn’t it 2 years to go from SA > C before the programme as well?

If they are that amazing they would have left for a higher pay elsewhere already.

L9 is standard 6k at the higher end for tech/management consulting.
L9 is high 7-9k for analytics people.
L9 is high 8k for strategy people.

As you can see, difference prices for different kinds of talents. Take note that c&m personnel stay longer at l11 because the jump is really high from l11 to l9.

But cdo people who stayed long at l11 just to move up to l10? Losers. End of story.

Money is not the only driving force of one’s career. Job satisfaction and the team that you’re working with also matters.

Maybe to clarify myself, this is unfair if the SA has already spent 2-3 years as an analyst. According to the new program, one would make L9 in 3 years. If the existing SA has already spent 2 years as an analyst and would still need another 2 years to get to L9, he would take a total of 4 years to get to L9. Ultimately this group of people are still slower by one year.

Sure because working culture and people at accenture are the best to work with.

This group deserves to be slower. Since if they are good enough they would have already been promoted to senior analyst because this new system got implemented.

What is the pay for ACN Strategy at each level (Analyst to Senior Manager)?

Stop living in denial.

Yah yah. As if it’s the norm to get promoted before you hit 2 years -.-. Go look at the statistics shared and see how common it is

You’re right. But are you sure they’re not compensating these group of people in some other way? Find it hard to believe cos then it’s pretty unmotivating for this group right?

On top of the base salary+travel allowance+aws (~1-2 months), does accenture have variable payment?

Got stats shared? Where?

This reply is good and sensible

The best way the management can do to make it fair

is to just close the eye and promote Lvl 11 with 3 years experience to level 9 this year december
skip the level 10 nonsense, it is not abt salary

If it is not abt salary then why need to promote?

L11 people with 3 years of exp deserve to stay at L11 until they are ready to be promoted. No1 owes you a promotion. A promotion aint free.

If you are not working in this company, please dun anyhow comment

How do u know those ppl are "not ready", promotion can be delayed due to headcount and project budget and many factor

Not necessary do with performance, if you feel it is fair, then good for u

hahahahhahahahaba funny la headcount and project budget? Those are reasons i give to hopeful analysts whom i dont wish to promote.

In the year where you are told that, do you see managers and above getting their promotion? Do you know how much more in terms of rates they would charge to the project when they get their promotion as opposed to your analyst to sr analyst rates?

You might not be cut out for this industry…