waiting for 2nd interview as ITE lecturer
 

hi,

anyone else waiting for 2nd interview as ITE lecturer?

or any who has been offered a job as ITE lecturer to share any views?

thanks :)

Ya, I also heard about the high turnover. Pity those who have to leave due to health reasons and stress. Maybe that's why this year NIE produce record number of teachers to replace the lost ones. Will they last or history repeat itself ? The problem is nowadays, parents hold the school and teachers responsible their kids' everything but they themselves breed monster kids and spoil them at home. No wonder teachers are the least respected occupation.

Thought MOE had announced they cutting down on recruitment quite substantially saying that they have the required number of teachers. From now on, I think they only taking in those on their scholarships.

So, unless the NIE grads are all sponsored by MOE, not sure all grads will be absorbed into the teaching service.

This is contrary to your observation below.

Many applied to be teachers but few are chosen


Just to "steal" some excerpts from the newspaper report

By Leow Si Wan
The Straits Times
Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010

AS OF last month, about 1,900 teachers have been recruited by the Ministry of Education (MOE) during this recruitment year.

Considering that it set out to hire 2,300 this recruitment year, having hired 1,900 means it has hit 82 per cent of its target, said its spokesman.

The 1,900 were picked from among the more than 15,000 who applied to become teachers.

- See more at: ://education.asiaone.com/content/moe-hits-82-recruitment-target#sthash.KsWvUMii.dpuf

My bad. Copied the wrong (outdated) report.

Should be this one:

SINGAPORE - It has just become harder for graduates and mid-career professionals to land jobs as teachers in schools, even if they have done a stint of relief teaching.

The Education Ministry has begun to scale down hiring, after an aggressive eight-year recruitment drive since 2004 helped it build a 33,000-strong teaching force.

At its peak, in 2009, it recruited 3,000 teachers. In the years following, the number was between 2,000 and 3,000 a year.

But last year, the figure fell to 1,400. And this year, the ministry said it has taken on just 1,100 teachers so far.

Most of those it hires now are graduates who go on to take up the postgraduate diploma in education, as they are more sure of their career choices after university.

- See more at: ://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ministry-scales-down-recruitment-teachers#sthash.qlZypt1T.dpuf

I am going for an interview tomorrow for the position of lecturer in ITE.

Anyone knows how much I can expect for lecturer pay? My current salary is 5.8k, will stating 20% increase as salary expectation be too high?

El ept
 

Anyone going for EL EPT this month ?

Anyone have received any reply from moe or have gone for any interview for the recent oct 14 intake?

I applied on the closing deadline of the last application window. But no news so far. This is actually not the first time I am applying. I remember the last time they got back quite fast to arrange the interview.

Maybe they have really slowed down the recruitment and are just taking their time.

Interesting article.

://.stcommunities.sg/education/secondary/news/singapore-teachers-criticise-international-survey-say-they-work-longer-48

Went for the PGDE interview today. Subjects offered PE/Maths (Sec). Mid career.

Can share when did you apply and when did they call you to come down for the interview?

Are the subjects offered your first choice?

Applied around 2nd week of Oct and received the call on a Sat 1st Nov.
Not my first choice though. Mine preferred was physics/maths (sec) but offered PE/Maths (sec). The other option on offer was Pri (General). From what the recruiter said, for this current recruitment (Oct-Nov), mainly for Pri (Gen), not much vacancies for sec.

Thanks for the update.

A friend applied and was offered PE (Secondary) also, even though it's not his first choice. He didn't take it up in the end as he was firm on the subjects he chose, but I guess they are also looking for PE teachers for this batch.

Anyway, interesting that they called you on a Saturday. Wouldn't expect to receive such calls on a Saturday, so I guess good to note for those applying not to dismiss unknown numbers calling you on weekends!

That's a bit tricky then - that the MOE doesn't say exactly what subject teachers they're looking for in each interview batch.

It's more like they're "forcing" people into vocations that are not their 1st choice - hardly a good move if they're expecting dedicated teachers...

Worse still, PE, which is supposed to be a specialised field, rather than something you just ask any tom dick harry to take up.

Then how about those who rejected offer due to mismatch in teaching subject choices?? Blacklisted for future, even if their desired vacancies crop up?

It'd be better if the MOE can be more straightforward by stating clearly what teachers they are recruiting in each batch of PGDE interview.

By the way, the MOE website has set out very clearly the interview dates in the year, dates expected to hear from them, date by which to 'give up' if you've not received any call, date to start contract teaching, etc. Very useful.

I may be wrong, but my feeling is 5.8k already quite high for a starting lecturer pay.

Even for poly lecturer, it's on the high side. Not to mention ITE that supposedly pay slightly less...

And you ask for 20% top up? If lucky, they'll match your pay, but very likely ask you to take a cut to about 5k plus or minus.

Not really a good thing if MOE reveals what teachers they are in need of. Because then applicants might just apply for these positions even when they actually have no passion for it, or they will just lie and say that they really have the passion when they just want the job. Its better if MOE keeps it a secret, then you apply for what you really want as a first choice. If MOE doesnt have vaccancies, they can still decide to offer you another subject which they deem that you are suitable in teaching, if not, they reject you.

It's better that they reveal what subject and level teachers they are in need of, so that they need not waste applicant's time coming down for an interview for subjects they are not interested in teaching.

btw, their allocation of subjects and determining suitability of teaching subjects is crap.

Just started teaching about 1 year plus ago, and my RO hinted that ladies take about 3 years to be promoted to 1A1, is that true?

How so? ten char

About there.. you might get it a bit faster if you're outstanding or lucky.. guys usually get theirs after the 1st year as their 2 years NS is taken into account..

Thank you! Hmmm what is considered "outstanding" ? And will a normal scholarship holder (say... TS (local) or TA) be promoted faster and have a higher salary compared to non-scholars?

Outstanding means you manage to demonstrate excellent classroom management while being able to deliver the content to your students, while at the same being able to reach new achievements in your CCAs or department work.. Even then, may not be good enough as it's ultimately up to your RO..

I wouldn't say TA get promoted faster.. TS (local) probably, although its usually the TS (Overseas) that you will see getting groomed for higher positions.. Doesn't mean you can't go up fast if you're a non-scholar though.. I've seen teachers who really excelled, and with just a pass degree, yet got promoted to GEO 1A3 and a HOD position in about 5 years..

That is one rare occurrence since it's difficult to be promoted to 1A3 (I've heard). Is that teacher a male or female teacher?

Male teacher.. From what I see it very much depends on your school and its leaders.. If they are supportive then things can move for you.

Anyway, they seem to be promoting the teachers much faster nowadays.. Maybe partly due to retain them. More are getting their 1A3 quite fast with more positions being created for them also.

On the contrary, I've heard of cases where a teacher is stuck at 1A1 for the past 7 years. :O :O

The most important factors that determine how fast one is promoted is the potential he/she has demonstrated. This is linked to his/her work performance as well as analytical skills, people skills, ability to see the big pictures, drive etc. There is a general perception that scholars get promoted faster due to two reasons: one, the scholars are given the scholarships because they have demonstrated the above qualities in the scholarship interviews in the first place. Hence, assuming that the selection process is accurate, the scholars should naturally be promoted faster. Second, it is mandatory that the overseas scholars go through some attachments in MOE during their undergraduate vacations. This gives them a better understanding of how MOE works and hence a head start in their career. So, my point is: there is no such thing as scholars are automatically promoted faster regardless of their performance (though I admit that some school leaders and HODs have a tendency to blindly rank scholars higher). I personally know of overseas scholars who were ranked very low (nearly a D) in his beginning years as a teacher because he was so detached from the real world that he couldn't carry out his work effectively.

What is the salary range of 1A3?

Not true. If you have an honours, you'll most likely get promoted in your 2nd year (or slightly earlier) if you are a female. Of course, you must get at least a C.

Haha, my poo friend is one of them.

was it because she made a mistake or ?

I see that nowadays there are many tuition and tutorial centres - some famous names included - actively recruiting teachers, and they require trained teachers with MOE schools teaching experience.

I think this is indeed good opportunities for those trained teachers who've completed their bonds, yet feel swamped with extra non-teaching related admin duties, and are not appreciated in their current positions, i.e. not promoted regularly.

Heard that there is much more chance to concentrate on teaching duties when working in a tuition centre. Little admin, except those related to the classes taught, and definitely none of those time-wasting activities designed to boost the management KPI. Only drawback I can think of is that teaching on weekends is a must. In fact, weekends are busy periods.

Must learn to work smart as a teacher. Some school leaders can really make use of teachers to work hard but then promote others who are more wayang. Dun expect too much so less disappointment.. I learnt my lesson the hard way.. Better to balance work with your own family who needs you more

So political. Better don't join.

Not saying should not join. Any other work place would be the same. Just need to work smart

Anyone can advise how much can a person with local uni 2nd class hons degree with 18 years of working experience from the private sector get if he wants to become a teacher ? Greatly appreciate your sharing in advance...

wow. 18 years exp change to teaching?

Old info below on how much mid career salaries are. Note there have been a few salary adjustments along the way (article was presumably in 2008). So maybe can expect slightly higher starting salary, but the increment example is probably a good guide.

I think they will still look at your degree, and will give some adjustments at the start based on your years of experience. But only up to a certain extent capped on their beginning salary scale, as they can't give you a higher grade at the start. But due to your experience, your pay will probably increase very quickly after that with promotions and additional increments.
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Ms Ng is a Good Honours degree holder who has worked for 5 years in the private sector. Her last drawn salary was $4,200. She decides to join teaching in 2008. Under the current policy, she would be offered a starting salary of $3,172 as a trainee teacher in NIE. With the revised policy, her starting salary will be $3,347. Upon graduation from NIE in 2009 and subject to good performance, she is placed on the General Education Officer (GEO) 1A1 grade directly (instead of GEO 1.1) and given additional salary increments, to bring her salary to $4,100. This is the same pay as her peer who joined the teaching profession immediately upon graduation.

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Mr Tan is a Pass degree holder who has worked for 11 years in both the public and private sectors, with his last job being a deputy director in a statutory board. His last drawn salary was $4,500. He decides to join teaching in 2008. Under the current policy, he would be offered a starting salary of $3,697 as a trainee teacher in NIE. With the revised policy, his starting salary will be $4,221. Upon graduation from NIE in 2009 and subject to good performance, he is placed on the General Education Officer (GEO) 1A1 grade directly (instead of GEO 1.1) and given additional salary increments, to bring his salary to $4,836. With good performance, he can be further promoted to GEO 1A2 grade in 2010 with a salary of $5,373. This would be in line with his peer who joined the teaching profession immediately upon graduation."

Hi. I received an email asking me to attend an appointment briefing with a AOD date given. Does it mean that I already got the job or there are something else that I have to clear ?

just the signing the declaration you're free from financial embarrassment