Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 144334)

But it would still be confidential right?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 144346)

Yes.

Even if not, if I'm the P, I also have more pressing issues than to see what individuals opined.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 144915)

Does anyone know if we will get our LDS this coming Sep?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 144139)

i am a current GEO 3, 5 years in service. Graduated straight from NIE BA/BSc programme and teaching non examinable subject (single subject) in a secondary school. Served NS, early 30s currently.

have been doing some projects in my school (low to high stake) but has been getting only a "C" for PB since in service.

Starting from this year, i have been appointed overall IC for my CCA (is this considered high stake position?) and have made it clear to my RO that I would like to take up some KP position starting 2021.

My SLs are not really young (late 40s to 50s) and my school culture is really good (happy to stay in my school).

However, I have been thinking about transferring school (or to HQ branch) to progress further in my career. But I have enjoyed teaching in my school and enjoyed good relationship with students and colleagues to the extent that we have regular meet up outside of school. I have heard of many political stories elsewhere and sometimes i have been told to "count my blessing" by many friends and seniors teaching in other schools.

I would like to progress up the rank (raising to SEO grade) in my career. I understand that being in my early 30s and still at GEO 3 means my progression is really slow. (maybe low CEP?)


Would like to seek the almighty forumers who can give me advice. Should i leave my current school (sacrifice the good office culture and relationship with students/colleague) for a better shot at SEO grade?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145032)

We won't be getting LDS, because it is no longer called LSD.

SEP should be be paid out in September salary. $500 - 700 depending.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 144139)

i am a current GEO 3, 5 years in service. Graduated straight from NIE BA/BSc programme and teaching non examinable subject (single subject) in a secondary school. Served NS, early 30s currently.

have been doing some projects in my school (low to high stake) but has been getting only a "C" for PB since in service.

Starting from this year, i have been appointed overall IC for my CCA (is this considered high stake position?) and have made it clear to my RO that I would like to take up some KP position starting 2021.

My SLs are not really young (late 40s to 50s) and my school culture is really good (happy to stay in my school).

However, I have been thinking about transferring school (or to HQ branch) to progress further in my career. But I have enjoyed teaching in my school and enjoyed good relationship with students and colleagues to the extent that we have regular meet up outside of school. I have heard of many political stories elsewhere and sometimes i have been told to "count my blessing" by many friends and seniors teaching in other schools.

I would like to progress up the rank (raising to SEO grade) in my career. I understand that being in my early 30s and still at GEO 3 means my progression is really slow. (maybe low CEP?)


Would like to seek the almighty forumers who can give me advice. Should i leave my current school (sacrifice the good office culture and relationship with students/colleague) for a better shot at SEO grade?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145175)

I hope to shed some light to your question. Something about myself. Not a scholar, no honors (normal degree), 16 years in service. I got my SEO1 when I was 35 and SEO2 5 years later.

Overall IC is not a high stake as schools dont consciously put high potential officers to lead CCAs unless the CCA is a niche area. CCA deployment is more like staff preference and putting officers where they used to previously.

Taking up a KP position is a conversation usually initiated by the RO. If your CEP is only P8, then your RO would not discuss this during your work review. The conversation would focus on T&L because a teacher with P8 CEP would be a teacher when he/she retires.

Seeking a HQ posting would require an officer to have a CEP of at least P7. So I suggest u check with your SLs first. (Of course, you cant ask them directly what your CEP is but you can seek their advice and from there, you would know what your CEP is).

If you feel that your school has a good culture, I would suggest you to stay. Schools with good colleagues and understanding SLs are hard to find. Going to a new environment would require you to build up relationships with new people and these people may have form cliques.

Originally Posted by Mr E (Post 145120)

Hi!

Just curious about the payscales in MOE (as a teacher). The info is abit outdated, so wanted to check anyone who knows the more recent amounts..

1) What's the salary range like for GEO 3, 4, 5, SEO 1, 2, 3?
Is it aligned with:

MX9 (Directors) $11,110 to $17,370
MX10 (Senior Management) $7,000 to $11,470
MX11 (Middle Management) $4,740 to $8,305
MX12 (Management) $2,945 to $5,925
MX13 (Fresh Graduates) $3,000

(source: s://blog.moneysmart.sg/career/civil-service-salary-pros-cons/ )


2) And is there additional allowance for taking on SH/ HOD/ ST while being in the GEO grades?

3) Not sure if it's just a rumor, but possible for a HOD to earn about $13 to $14k?

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145175)

I hope to shed some light to your question. Something about myself. Not a scholar, no honors (normal degree), 16 years in service. I got my SEO1 when I was 35 and SEO2 5 years later.

Overall IC is not a high stake as schools dont consciously put high potential officers to lead CCAs unless the CCA is a niche area. CCA deployment is more like staff preference and putting officers where they used to previously.

Taking up a KP position is a conversation usually initiated by the RO. If your CEP is only P8, then your RO would not discuss this during your work review. The conversation would focus on T&L because a teacher with P8 CEP would be a teacher when he/she retires.

Seeking a HQ posting would require an officer to have a CEP of at least P7. So I suggest u check with your SLs first. (Of course, you cant ask them directly what your CEP is but you can seek their advice and from there, you would know what your CEP is).

If you feel that your school has a good culture, I would suggest you to stay. Schools with good colleagues and understanding SLs are hard to find. Going to a new environment would require you to build up relationships with new people and these people may have form cliques.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145210)

Hi, can share some insights on CEP? What do P7 and P8 mean? What are the different levels?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145206)

1) You can see previous posts like in s://forums.salary.sg/income-jobs/1758-career-teacher-118.html#post110033 - there hasn't been a salary revision recently, so think the figures are still fairly accurate.

2) Yes, there is an allowance. Actual amount varies depending on gap between actual and expected grade. In the grand scheme of things it's not that significant (e.g. $3k per year) so I wouldn't factor it too much in any plans you're making.

3) Technically a HOD could reach SEO3 (I think - although I've only seen SEO2 myself) and those crowdsourced figures don't include SEO3 figures, but it doesn't seem that 13-14k is possible unless you're factoring in bonuses.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145218)

P8 - officer maxes out at GEO5
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1
P6 - SEO2

(There's more, of course, but probably irrelevant for the vast majority of education officers)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145221)

The salaries for staffs in schools are quite standardized. So far, only seen 25k the most before retirement age. HODs not possible to earn basic 13-14k. Educators who have hit the highest salary in the grade will not earn any increment as long as they are not promoted.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145285)

25k/month? Is that the P? Maybe was previously a Supt and came back to school... but how did you managed to find out your P’s salary?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145295)

Quite clearly that I worked in the HQ.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145239)

Previous non-scholar poster. Would like to add on:
P8 - Normal teacher
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1 (Officer is deemed to be an SH/LH when he/she retires)
P6 - SEO2 (Officer is deemed to be a HOD when he/she retires)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145239)

Previous non-scholar poster. Would like to add on:
P8 - Normal teacher
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1 (Officer is deemed to be an SH/LH when he/she retires)
P6 - SEO2 (Officer is deemed to be a HOD when he/she retires)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145411)

Just wondering, how is the CEP determined? Everyone starts at P8 then your RO or school might adjust it upwards if they see potential in you? If scholars have higher CEP, any idea which scholarship tier is tied to which CEP level?

Thanks in advance if any of you are familiar with the above!

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145411)

Just wondering, how is the CEP determined? Everyone starts at P8 then your RO or school might adjust it upwards if they see potential in you? If scholars have higher CEP, any idea which scholarship tier is tied to which CEP level?

Thanks in advance if any of you are familiar with the above!

Originally Posted by Comm (Post 145406)

Are you guys aware that community chest deduction is happening since 2020 from our salary... it is done without informing us... its a small amoun but... i feel.. MOE should seek our approval first.... its like i deduct first.. the if you not happy.. then remove yourself.. wtf

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145413)

Everyone - even scholars - starts at P8, then moved up if deemed suitable.

(At least, that's what it looks like at the KP level. Someone suggested previously that there's an invisible layer somewhere that determines faster CEP progression for scholars, but I don't have first-hand knowledge of that.)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145430)

This is not very accurate. Excluding those teaching award recipients, MOE scholars have a higher starting CEP. For overseas scholar, their CEP is at the Supt level.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145455)

There are >50 overseas scholars each year. Even after counting for attrition and inability to meet potential, I don’t think there are enough Supt positions to go around...

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145448)

What's the rationale for not letting jobholders know their exact CEP?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145411)

Just wondering, how is the CEP determined? Everyone starts at P8 then your RO or school might adjust it upwards if they see potential in you? If scholars have higher CEP, any idea which scholarship tier is tied to which CEP level?

Thanks in advance if any of you are familiar with the above!

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145471)

There are more than enough Supt-equivalent positions to go around, if you look beyond just Schools Division. There are many DD and D level positions, similar in pay grade to a cluster supt, in other divisions which will (and currently do) benefit from being filled by EOs rather than non-educators.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145498)

Hi all, i am just curious, i am currently an MOE teacher teaching mother tongue, but i m interested to change the subject that i teach.

What are the ways to go about it? Can i apply during the application window period to teach other subjects even though i am already employed in MOE?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145549)

Is there a maximum period an officer can stay at GEO 3 before he is promoted to GEO 4?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145528)

Just wondering , with covid 19 now, do we need to remove mask during job interview at MOE?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 145498)

Hi all, i am just curious, i am currently an MOE teacher teaching mother tongue, but i m interested to change the subject that i teach.

What are the ways to go about it? Can i apply during the application window period to teach other subjects even though i am already employed in MOE?