Smart ones are those who speculate property, let the idiot tuition entrepruners wanabe set up their office/centres, take all the risk of business failure while you sit behind shake leg and just raise rent every 2 years.

Tested & proven for the past 10 years.

to each his own. you go ahead and speculate on property.

geo 1.1 to 1A1 increment after last months adjustment?
 

Hi guys.. I'm just wondering if I m shortchanged. I'm a male math teacher in a sec sch posted to the school after NIE in June 2011. I've a first class honors, performance average to slightly above average.

I got promoted from 1.1 to 1A1 this October. Last month when they announce the 8% increment, it seems that 1.1 will not get the 8%. But there was a clause in the intranet circular that states newly promoted officers in oct 2012 will be eligible for the 8% increment.

Of cos I was delighted. But in the September pay, I didn't get the 8%. So I thought perhaps it will be reflected in Oct pay tgt with my promotion. I just found out yday that my new 1A1 pay is only increment of $500, which suggests that actually I was not given the 8% adjustment? Cos some officers told me last time their 1.1 to 1A1 is also $500.

Am a bit disappointed la, but will not affect my passion for teaching. just wondering, my increment of $500 is likely due to MOE not according me the 8% adjusment, or do u think they have accorded it, just that my performance is maybe bad so increment low? Any opinions?

MOE need more idiots like you... Teach for the passion....... No $$ also can.. Why not you also give free tuition to disadvantage children during weekends??.. even more meaningful rite?...... Coming from a First class honors... i can only say the education system has brainwashed you very well... Keep it up then.... Dun live in the well.... Come out of MOE and really see what the world have to offer you!!!

email moe hr

Am I right to say the following rank of teacher?

NIE(trainee)>>Trainee pay scale
After pass out from NIE>>GEO 1.1 ?
After 1-2 years of actual teaching>>then promoted from GEO 1.1 to GEO 1A1

and so on to 1A2...1A3....etc??? True or False ?

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Also, is the promotion from 1.1 to 1A1, $500 mean (Annual increment + promotion increment), or is the $500 is solely promotion increment??

please advise

Pretty much correct. Trainee pay scale is GEO1.2 if I remember correctly. This is for the graduate track (GEO1), of course - diploma is on GEO2 track.

$500 is just for promotion increment, though my actual sum was actually slightly less than $500 (maybe around $450). It's easier to see if you get promoted in Oct, since the annual increment comes in Apr (so you can see the two increments separately).

Not too sure how your friends are getting 6-10% increment annually. I was comparing notes with a friend, he got around 6% as an A-grader (which is very rare) and I only got 4% as a B-grader (above average). I got around 2% as a C-grader (average) the previous year. We're both relatively early in our career though (first 3 years), maybe things change later.

Also, I've no idea if increments are actually percentage-based, if it's a fixed $100 (average) annual increment? Generally, annual increments aren't particularly large. It's a comfortable enough salary, but can forget about becoming rich through teaching alone!

To get rich as a teacher, you must start a tuition business and enlist franchisees.

Not easy, but parents like the MOE credentials especially if you're head of department (some even fake it, but I'm not encouraging you to do that).

I think that if you are promoted in Apr, the increment of ~500 includes your yearly increment. Oct increment only includes the promotion increment. If you are in doubt, call HR to clarify.

The system is not very transparent.
If you hold a position, you are actually given allowance for the so-called extra work. It's contradictory. An LH, HOD or SH has higher pay and expected to perform better but very often, he/she has a much lighter teaching load and off loaded from CCA and other admin work. So, it's only fair that they perform to the expection. But very often, they are graded B in the performance appraisal which should've been higher than expectation... Easily a 5-figure amount. And who does the sh** work? Work was delegated to the overloaded teachers who are probably graded C or C+. What's the rationale? It's no wonder the high turnover rate.

Thanks for the advice. I would call MOE HR to check. Does anyone know where I can obtain the number? intranet IAMS? is there a specific payroll department or something?

I've no idea how you get the idea that increment is solely based on your performance. It's only a small fraction. There are many other factors. Example, my friend joins the industry after working in a marketing firm for 10yrs. Her pay was adjusted accordingly from the very beginning. She was promoted to 1A1 in the first year n the next year 1A2, getting close to 5K per month. Comparatively, a young diploma holder joined for 4yrs and not even promoted once! Another friend worked for 10yrs before getting A2! As far as I know, the diploma holder has much better performance grade than the other teacher. So, as you can see, age, working exp, qualification, the potential grading, management recommendation etc, also play a part in the increment. Not a very fair system as you are ranked with colleagues in school where you probably put in 100% n get C while another one can get B doing only 50% of you have contributed in another school.

If u want to join teaching be prepared to do more than just teach. Based on my experience as a Reporting Officer, teachers are required to lead in initiatives in cca, pedagogy research and sharing, partnership with parents etc which accounts fr major part of performance. It is a given to teach well. Many mid careers esp assume that they will be well rewarded if they teach well but teaching well is an expected norm. To get C+ and B+, u need to be show contributions above just teaching well and that is where the other areas come in. as a teacher you wont see the strategic n organizational planning work like SEM and BSC work that hods and Shs do and thus have perception they are doing less for more.

aiya.. gahmen job a lot of bureacracies one lah... dont pray pray

Any teacher can share what the starting pay is for a fresh grad from local uni?

I applied for another government job and I got $200 above the maximum which is stated on the website for passed degree.

if you're male singaporean you get the ns increment ontop of your starting pay.

well, I am pretty sure those government career websites have already factored in the NS portion for male applicants.

What I gather is that the salaries stated on the websites are just ballpark figures and the actual amount they give could actually be quite different.

And, what I am actually interested to know is what's the starting pay like for GEO 1, local uni grad?

What you talking about? The posted salaries on the ministry website are without the ns component because obviously(unfortunately) not everyone does ns.

There are some Subject Head etc. allowances but it shouldn't be too far off from the posted numbers. If you're talking about ballpark figures we have a very narrow band and small ballpark to begin with here.

Just sharing something someone posted earlier. (kudos to the person who uploaded it in the first place):

GEO1A1: 3380-5540
GEO1A2: 4450-6912
GEO1A3: 4806-7452
SEO1: 5184-8316
SEO1A1: 7236-9288
SEO1A2: 8748-11232

SEO is for HOD and above.
Most teachers retire at the GEO1A3 grade.

All singapore citizens HAVE to do NS.

As far as I know, CS doesn't work this way. It's based on your CEP that would be reviewed annually. Higher CEP = faster promotion. Let's assume your current CEP is SEO1A1 that cap at 9288 now. That cap would likely be raised & reviewed over time due to inflation and other economical factors. In 40 years time, the cap should have been raised multiple times over (any math teachers care to calculate compound interests of 5% p.a?). From 2008 till now, there have been 2 major salary reviews in 4 years time.

How can that be? There is a MOE specialist track for teachers not on leadership track.

I applied 2 times to MOE as degree level teacher GEO 1 i think .. and I waited 6 months for the window period to clear to apply again and yet I still did not get the job. Getting frustrated, going to write letter to pm lee I am jobless.

somemore i went to take the IELTS paid $300 and still never get in.

bloody ****, graduated from NUS 8 months ago and I still have no job.

what did you study? social sciences or business or engineering?

If you had to take IELTS i probably would guess that your o level english/a level GP isn't very good.
Except for MT teachers I would think that they're being very stringent on the English/GP requirement now because the job market currently sucks and they're probably have no shortage of applicants to choose from this moment.

Anyway you seriously want to sign away 1+3 years of your youth? You can achieve much more outside/in ministries within that 4 years you know.

ya, I studied business.

I do not know what to do with my life, I have little interest in business. I feel it's best for me to enter a school environment again. All I can do best now is to study and teaching is whats best for me I believe.

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Try to give private tuition to earn some $$ while you look for a full time job.

Also see if you have the patience and passion to handle kids. Once sign bond, u have no way to get out of the job for 3 years.

period to be notified for interview
 

Hi guys, anyone knows roughly how long will i get notified for interview? i applied for PDGE n about 3 weeks has passed...

From my observation of my son's primary school, it's far more likely of a shortage of teachers than "oversupply"

yup i am giving tuition already.. earning $600 a month..

enough to break even with my expenses.. food $200.. transport $100.. phone bills $100..

Single phone bill? Why is it so high?

Dude my phone bill by default 59.90 plan so plus gst already 70. I put 100 coz you know confirm got unplanned expenses ma... Sometime here overshot a bit or there under budget a bit

I went to find mp at meet the people session to help me get in teacher job. For your info I have a degree from nus and I have passed the IELTS test.

You know what happened? The assistant at there assisted me with my mp letter. The fcuking best part is he tell me to go teach private school.. Pay is higher and the welfare is better can even go overseas to enrich my private teaching career.. I was thinking what the fcuk! I am there to seek help to get in moe and you are telling me to go teach private!?!?

Assistant only give u advise in case you dunno the benefits mah. Why you so sensitive? Is it because you got no honours thats y MOE ignore your application?

Hi, listen to yourself. You said in case he does not know the benefits? Just listen to yourself.

LOL $600 a month.... An undergrad who's giving part time tuition can easily earn $1000 a month. Perhaps even more. If you want to get somewhere in life, you have to put in some effort. And, just because you're jobless, you want to write in to PM Lee?? Frankly speaking, I don't think you're doing much about your situation other than complaining and acting like a complete fool. If you really want to be a teacher, you can apply for relief teaching or even contract teaching. With that attitude of yours, I doubt you'll go far in life...

To put in bluntly, wake up your ****ing idea lah.

MOE Interview
 

Hi all,

I have applied for a teaching role with MOE on 7 Jan via their portal, till today, I have yet to receive any update from MOE.

Any of you guys know how long MOE usually takes to get back to applicants?

People give you friendly advice you take it as an insult.

How to be a teacher like that, with a bad attitude and short temper?

Remain jobless lah, useless crap.

MOE Interview
 

Me too. Are you a local grad with honours?

Hi. yes, i'm local grad with honours, still no news from them yet, called and ask, they said still processing.

when did you apply? any news from them yet?