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Unregistered 04-10-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28716)
Then be smart about it. Save up and start a tuition centre with fellow senior teachers. Tuition business will boom like crazy in the next few years cos schools don't do proper teaching anymore - they "teach less" and now encourage kids to "play more".

Smart ones are those who speculate property, let the idiot tuition entrepruners wanabe set up their office/centres, take all the risk of business failure while you sit behind shake leg and just raise rent every 2 years.

Tested & proven for the past 10 years.

Unregistered 04-10-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28720)
Smart ones are those who speculate property, let the idiot tuition entrepruners wanabe set up their office/centres, take all the risk of business failure while you sit behind shake leg and just raise rent every 2 years.

Tested & proven for the past 10 years.

to each his own. you go ahead and speculate on property.

Unregistered 05-10-2012 05:36 PM

geo 1.1 to 1A1 increment after last months adjustment?
 
Hi guys.. I'm just wondering if I m shortchanged. I'm a male math teacher in a sec sch posted to the school after NIE in June 2011. I've a first class honors, performance average to slightly above average.

I got promoted from 1.1 to 1A1 this October. Last month when they announce the 8% increment, it seems that 1.1 will not get the 8%. But there was a clause in the intranet circular that states newly promoted officers in oct 2012 will be eligible for the 8% increment.

Of cos I was delighted. But in the September pay, I didn't get the 8%. So I thought perhaps it will be reflected in Oct pay tgt with my promotion. I just found out yday that my new 1A1 pay is only increment of $500, which suggests that actually I was not given the 8% adjustment? Cos some officers told me last time their 1.1 to 1A1 is also $500.

Am a bit disappointed la, but will not affect my passion for teaching. just wondering, my increment of $500 is likely due to MOE not according me the 8% adjusment, or do u think they have accorded it, just that my performance is maybe bad so increment low? Any opinions?

Unregistered 05-10-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28745)
Hi guys.. I'm just wondering if I m shortchanged. I'm a male math teacher in a sec sch posted to the school after NIE in June 2011. I've a first class honors, performance average to slightly above average.

I got promoted from 1.1 to 1A1 this October. Last month when they announce the 8% increment, it seems that 1.1 will not get the 8%. But there was a clause in the intranet circular that states newly promoted officers in oct 2012 will be eligible for the 8% increment.

Of cos I was delighted. But in the September pay, I didn't get the 8%. So I thought perhaps it will be reflected in Oct pay tgt with my promotion. I just found out yday that my new 1A1 pay is only increment of $500, which suggests that actually I was not given the 8% adjustment? Cos some officers told me last time their 1.1 to 1A1 is also $500.

Am a bit disappointed la, but will not affect my passion for teaching. just wondering, my increment of $500 is likely due to MOE not according me the 8% adjusment, or do u think they have accorded it, just that my performance is maybe bad so increment low? Any opinions?

MOE need more idiots like you... Teach for the passion....... No $$ also can.. Why not you also give free tuition to disadvantage children during weekends??.. even more meaningful rite?...... Coming from a First class honors... i can only say the education system has brainwashed you very well... Keep it up then.... Dun live in the well.... Come out of MOE and really see what the world have to offer you!!!

Unregistered 05-10-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28745)
Hi guys.. I'm just wondering if I m shortchanged. I'm a male math teacher in a sec sch posted to the school after NIE in June 2011. I've a first class honors, performance average to slightly above average.

I got promoted from 1.1 to 1A1 this October. Last month when they announce the 8% increment, it seems that 1.1 will not get the 8%. But there was a clause in the intranet circular that states newly promoted officers in oct 2012 will be eligible for the 8% increment.

Of cos I was delighted. But in the September pay, I didn't get the 8%. So I thought perhaps it will be reflected in Oct pay tgt with my promotion. I just found out yday that my new 1A1 pay is only increment of $500, which suggests that actually I was not given the 8% adjustment? Cos some officers told me last time their 1.1 to 1A1 is also $500.

Am a bit disappointed la, but will not affect my passion for teaching. just wondering, my increment of $500 is likely due to MOE not according me the 8% adjusment, or do u think they have accorded it, just that my performance is maybe bad so increment low? Any opinions?

email moe hr

Unregistered 06-10-2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Teacher (Post 28714)
I got around $500 promotion increment from 1.1 to 1A1.

As for progression, what I hear is that it's not that rare for officers to max out their payscale… I'm nowhere near that stage yet so can't give any first-hand info, though.

Am I right to say the following rank of teacher?

NIE(trainee)>>Trainee pay scale
After pass out from NIE>>GEO 1.1 ?
After 1-2 years of actual teaching>>then promoted from GEO 1.1 to GEO 1A1

and so on to 1A2...1A3....etc??? True or False ?

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Also, is the promotion from 1.1 to 1A1, $500 mean (Annual increment + promotion increment), or is the $500 is solely promotion increment??

please advise

Teacher 06-10-2012 03:11 PM

Pretty much correct. Trainee pay scale is GEO1.2 if I remember correctly. This is for the graduate track (GEO1), of course - diploma is on GEO2 track.

$500 is just for promotion increment, though my actual sum was actually slightly less than $500 (maybe around $450). It's easier to see if you get promoted in Oct, since the annual increment comes in Apr (so you can see the two increments separately).
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28757)
Am I right to say the following rank of teacher?

NIE(trainee)>>Trainee pay scale
After pass out from NIE>>GEO 1.1 ?
After 1-2 years of actual teaching>>then promoted from GEO 1.1 to GEO 1A1

and so on to 1A2...1A3....etc??? True or False ?

-------------------------------------------------
Also, is the promotion from 1.1 to 1A1, $500 mean (Annual increment + promotion increment), or is the $500 is solely promotion increment??

please advise


Unregistered 06-10-2012 03:24 PM

Not too sure how your friends are getting 6-10% increment annually. I was comparing notes with a friend, he got around 6% as an A-grader (which is very rare) and I only got 4% as a B-grader (above average). I got around 2% as a C-grader (average) the previous year. We're both relatively early in our career though (first 3 years), maybe things change later.

Also, I've no idea if increments are actually percentage-based, if it's a fixed $100 (average) annual increment? Generally, annual increments aren't particularly large. It's a comfortable enough salary, but can forget about becoming rich through teaching alone!

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28713)
Thanks for the info below, very useful.
Historically the range increase a few % every few years, but it does not seem to gel with all the stories I keep hearing from my teacher friends about easily getting 6% to 10% yearly. At that kind of rate they would have hit the ceiling before 40 yrs old. This situation is much worse for an average performer who retires at GEO1A3 max of 7452.


Unregistered 06-10-2012 06:21 PM

To get rich as a teacher, you must start a tuition business and enlist franchisees.

Not easy, but parents like the MOE credentials especially if you're head of department (some even fake it, but I'm not encouraging you to do that).

Unregistered 08-10-2012 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28745)
Hi guys.. I'm just wondering if I m shortchanged. I'm a male math teacher in a sec sch posted to the school after NIE in June 2011. I've a first class honors, performance average to slightly above average.

I got promoted from 1.1 to 1A1 this October. Last month when they announce the 8% increment, it seems that 1.1 will not get the 8%. But there was a clause in the intranet circular that states newly promoted officers in oct 2012 will be eligible for the 8% increment.

Of cos I was delighted. But in the September pay, I didn't get the 8%. So I thought perhaps it will be reflected in Oct pay tgt with my promotion. I just found out yday that my new 1A1 pay is only increment of $500, which suggests that actually I was not given the 8% adjustment? Cos some officers told me last time their 1.1 to 1A1 is also $500.

Am a bit disappointed la, but will not affect my passion for teaching. just wondering, my increment of $500 is likely due to MOE not according me the 8% adjusment, or do u think they have accorded it, just that my performance is maybe bad so increment low? Any opinions?

I think that if you are promoted in Apr, the increment of ~500 includes your yearly increment. Oct increment only includes the promotion increment. If you are in doubt, call HR to clarify.

Unregistered 08-10-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28591)
(This is after the recent 8% increment)

(For beginning GEO1 rates, prob can just refer to MOE website)
GEO1A1: 3380-5540
GEO1A2: 4450-6912
GEO1A3: 4806-7452
SEO1: 5184-8316
SEO1A1: 7236-9288
SEO1A2: 8748-11232

Of course, most teachers max out at GEO1A3. SEO1, 1A1, 1A2 are for SH/LH, HOD, VP ranks respectively.

As mentioned before, pay alone won't sustain you... really need to find the job meaningful to go on. That said, if you think you'll enjoy it, the numbers above should help you make a decision ;)

The system is not very transparent.
If you hold a position, you are actually given allowance for the so-called extra work. It's contradictory. An LH, HOD or SH has higher pay and expected to perform better but very often, he/she has a much lighter teaching load and off loaded from CCA and other admin work. So, it's only fair that they perform to the expection. But very often, they are graded B in the performance appraisal which should've been higher than expectation... Easily a 5-figure amount. And who does the sh** work? Work was delegated to the overloaded teachers who are probably graded C or C+. What's the rationale? It's no wonder the high turnover rate.

Unregistered 08-10-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28846)
I think that if you are promoted in Apr, the increment of ~500 includes your yearly increment. Oct increment only includes the promotion increment. If you are in doubt, call HR to clarify.

Thanks for the advice. I would call MOE HR to check. Does anyone know where I can obtain the number? intranet IAMS? is there a specific payroll department or something?

Unregistered 23-11-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28774)
Not too sure how your friends are getting 6-10% increment annually. I was comparing notes with a friend, he got around 6% as an A-grader (which is very rare) and I only got 4% as a B-grader (above average). I got around 2% as a C-grader (average) the previous year. We're both relatively early in our career though (first 3 years), maybe things change later.

Also, I've no idea if increments are actually percentage-based, if it's a fixed $100 (average) annual increment? Generally, annual increments aren't particularly large. It's a comfortable enough salary, but can forget about becoming rich through teaching alone!

I've no idea how you get the idea that increment is solely based on your performance. It's only a small fraction. There are many other factors. Example, my friend joins the industry after working in a marketing firm for 10yrs. Her pay was adjusted accordingly from the very beginning. She was promoted to 1A1 in the first year n the next year 1A2, getting close to 5K per month. Comparatively, a young diploma holder joined for 4yrs and not even promoted once! Another friend worked for 10yrs before getting A2! As far as I know, the diploma holder has much better performance grade than the other teacher. So, as you can see, age, working exp, qualification, the potential grading, management recommendation etc, also play a part in the increment. Not a very fair system as you are ranked with colleagues in school where you probably put in 100% n get C while another one can get B doing only 50% of you have contributed in another school.

Unregistered 05-12-2012 10:42 PM

If u want to join teaching be prepared to do more than just teach. Based on my experience as a Reporting Officer, teachers are required to lead in initiatives in cca, pedagogy research and sharing, partnership with parents etc which accounts fr major part of performance. It is a given to teach well. Many mid careers esp assume that they will be well rewarded if they teach well but teaching well is an expected norm. To get C+ and B+, u need to be show contributions above just teaching well and that is where the other areas come in. as a teacher you wont see the strategic n organizational planning work like SEM and BSC work that hods and Shs do and thus have perception they are doing less for more.

Unregistered 06-12-2012 10:04 AM

aiya.. gahmen job a lot of bureacracies one lah... dont pray pray

Unregistered 11-12-2012 10:21 PM

Any teacher can share what the starting pay is for a fresh grad from local uni?

I applied for another government job and I got $200 above the maximum which is stated on the website for passed degree.

wern 11-12-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 31469)
Any teacher can share what the starting pay is for a fresh grad from local uni?

I applied for another government job and I got $200 above the maximum which is stated on the website for passed degree.

if you're male singaporean you get the ns increment ontop of your starting pay.

Unregistered 12-12-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wern (Post 31470)
if you're male singaporean you get the ns increment ontop of your starting pay.

well, I am pretty sure those government career websites have already factored in the NS portion for male applicants.

What I gather is that the salaries stated on the websites are just ballpark figures and the actual amount they give could actually be quite different.

And, what I am actually interested to know is what's the starting pay like for GEO 1, local uni grad?

wern 12-12-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 31512)
well, I am pretty sure those government career websites have already factored in the NS portion for male applicants.

What I gather is that the salaries stated on the websites are just ballpark figures and the actual amount they give could actually be quite different.

And, what I am actually interested to know is what's the starting pay like for GEO 1, local uni grad?

What you talking about? The posted salaries on the ministry website are without the ns component because obviously(unfortunately) not everyone does ns.

There are some Subject Head etc. allowances but it shouldn't be too far off from the posted numbers. If you're talking about ballpark figures we have a very narrow band and small ballpark to begin with here.

Just sharing something someone posted earlier. (kudos to the person who uploaded it in the first place):

GEO1A1: 3380-5540
GEO1A2: 4450-6912
GEO1A3: 4806-7452
SEO1: 5184-8316
SEO1A1: 7236-9288
SEO1A2: 8748-11232

SEO is for HOD and above.
Most teachers retire at the GEO1A3 grade.

Unregistered 13-12-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wern (Post 31513)
What you talking about? The posted salaries on the ministry website are without the ns component because obviously(unfortunately) not everyone does ns.

All singapore citizens HAVE to do NS.

cslee 13-12-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 28713)
Thanks for the info below, very useful.

What I find confusing is the very limited range over the whole career. For eg. let's say I am a good performer who can retire at the max of SEO1A1 monthly of 9288.

If I join MOE at 25 yrs old with standard honors, starting is already ~3400. That means over the next 40 years of my career until retirement, I only have 9288 - 3400 = 5888 to move assuming best case scenario .That works out to be ~2.5% increment annual.

Historically the range increase a few % every few years, but it does not seem to gel with all the stories I keep hearing from my teacher friends about easily getting 6% to 10% yearly. At that kind of rate they would have hit the ceiling before 40 yrs old. This situation is much worse for an average performer who retires at GEO1A3 max of 7452.

Only reason I can think of is they actually slow down the increment a lot in the later years.

Anyone with exp can share?

As far as I know, CS doesn't work this way. It's based on your CEP that would be reviewed annually. Higher CEP = faster promotion. Let's assume your current CEP is SEO1A1 that cap at 9288 now. That cap would likely be raised & reviewed over time due to inflation and other economical factors. In 40 years time, the cap should have been raised multiple times over (any math teachers care to calculate compound interests of 5% p.a?). From 2008 till now, there have been 2 major salary reviews in 4 years time.

cslee 13-12-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wern (Post 31513)
GEO1A1: 3380-5540
GEO1A2: 4450-6912
GEO1A3: 4806-7452
SEO1: 5184-8316
SEO1A1: 7236-9288
SEO1A2: 8748-11232

SEO is for HOD and above.
Most teachers retire at the GEO1A3 grade.

How can that be? There is a MOE specialist track for teachers not on leadership track.

Unregistered 19-01-2013 10:58 PM

I applied 2 times to MOE as degree level teacher GEO 1 i think .. and I waited 6 months for the window period to clear to apply again and yet I still did not get the job. Getting frustrated, going to write letter to pm lee I am jobless.

somemore i went to take the IELTS paid $300 and still never get in.

bloody ****, graduated from NUS 8 months ago and I still have no job.

Unregistered 20-01-2013 06:06 AM

what did you study? social sciences or business or engineering?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32528)
I applied 2 times to MOE as degree level teacher GEO 1 i think .. and I waited 6 months for the window period to clear to apply again and yet I still did not get the job. Getting frustrated, going to write letter to pm lee I am jobless.

somemore i went to take the IELTS paid $300 and still never get in.

bloody ****, graduated from NUS 8 months ago and I still have no job.


wern 20-01-2013 01:06 PM

If you had to take IELTS i probably would guess that your o level english/a level GP isn't very good.
Except for MT teachers I would think that they're being very stringent on the English/GP requirement now because the job market currently sucks and they're probably have no shortage of applicants to choose from this moment.

Anyway you seriously want to sign away 1+3 years of your youth? You can achieve much more outside/in ministries within that 4 years you know.

Unregistered 20-01-2013 10:09 PM

ya, I studied business.

I do not know what to do with my life, I have little interest in business. I feel it's best for me to enter a school environment again. All I can do best now is to study and teaching is whats best for me I believe.

Unregistered 20-01-2013 10:25 PM

Guest
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32554)
ya, I studied business.

I do not know what to do with my life, I have little interest in business. I feel it's best for me to enter a school environment again. All I can do best now is to study and teaching is whats best for me I believe.

Try to give private tuition to earn some $$ while you look for a full time job.

Also see if you have the patience and passion to handle kids. Once sign bond, u have no way to get out of the job for 3 years.

Unregistered 25-01-2013 01:24 AM

period to be notified for interview
 
Hi guys, anyone knows roughly how long will i get notified for interview? i applied for PDGE n about 3 weeks has passed...

cslee 25-01-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wern (Post 32536)
If you had to take IELTS i probably would guess that your o level english/a level GP isn't very good.
Except for MT teachers I would think that they're being very stringent on the English/GP requirement now because the job market currently sucks and they're probably have no shortage of applicants to choose from this moment.

Anyway you seriously want to sign away 1+3 years of your youth? You can achieve much more outside/in ministries within that 4 years you know.

From my observation of my son's primary school, it's far more likely of a shortage of teachers than "oversupply"

Unregistered 25-01-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32555)
Try to give private tuition to earn some $$ while you look for a full time job.

Also see if you have the patience and passion to handle kids. Once sign bond, u have no way to get out of the job for 3 years.

yup i am giving tuition already.. earning $600 a month..

enough to break even with my expenses.. food $200.. transport $100.. phone bills $100..

Unregistered 25-01-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32713)
yup i am giving tuition already.. earning $600 a month..

enough to break even with my expenses.. food $200.. transport $100.. phone bills $100..

Single phone bill? Why is it so high?

Unregistered 26-01-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32715)
Single phone bill? Why is it so high?

Dude my phone bill by default 59.90 plan so plus gst already 70. I put 100 coz you know confirm got unplanned expenses ma... Sometime here overshot a bit or there under budget a bit

Unregistered 28-01-2013 09:08 PM

I went to find mp at meet the people session to help me get in teacher job. For your info I have a degree from nus and I have passed the IELTS test.

You know what happened? The assistant at there assisted me with my mp letter. The fcuking best part is he tell me to go teach private school.. Pay is higher and the welfare is better can even go overseas to enrich my private teaching career.. I was thinking what the fcuk! I am there to seek help to get in moe and you are telling me to go teach private!?!?

Unregistered 29-01-2013 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32783)
I went to find mp at meet the people session to help me get in teacher job. For your info I have a degree from nus and I have passed the IELTS test.

You know what happened? The assistant at there assisted me with my mp letter. The fcuking best part is he tell me to go teach private school.. Pay is higher and the welfare is better can even go overseas to enrich my private teaching career.. I was thinking what the fcuk! I am there to seek help to get in moe and you are telling me to go teach private!?!?

Assistant only give u advise in case you dunno the benefits mah. Why you so sensitive? Is it because you got no honours thats y MOE ignore your application?

Unregistered 29-01-2013 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32790)
Assistant only give u advise in case you dunno the benefits mah. Why you so sensitive? Is it because you got no honours thats y MOE ignore your application?

Hi, listen to yourself. You said in case he does not know the benefits? Just listen to yourself.

Unregistered 30-01-2013 04:02 AM

LOL $600 a month.... An undergrad who's giving part time tuition can easily earn $1000 a month. Perhaps even more. If you want to get somewhere in life, you have to put in some effort. And, just because you're jobless, you want to write in to PM Lee?? Frankly speaking, I don't think you're doing much about your situation other than complaining and acting like a complete fool. If you really want to be a teacher, you can apply for relief teaching or even contract teaching. With that attitude of yours, I doubt you'll go far in life...

To put in bluntly, wake up your ****ing idea lah.

waitingwaiting 30-01-2013 06:46 AM

MOE Interview
 
Hi all,

I have applied for a teaching role with MOE on 7 Jan via their portal, till today, I have yet to receive any update from MOE.

Any of you guys know how long MOE usually takes to get back to applicants?

Unregistered 30-01-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 32791)
Hi, listen to yourself. You said in case he does not know the benefits? Just listen to yourself.

People give you friendly advice you take it as an insult.

How to be a teacher like that, with a bad attitude and short temper?

Remain jobless lah, useless crap.

Unregistered 06-02-2013 02:53 PM

MOE Interview
 
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Originally Posted by waitingwaiting (Post 32808)
Hi all,

I have applied for a teaching role with MOE on 7 Jan via their portal, till today, I have yet to receive any update from MOE.

Any of you guys know how long MOE usually takes to get back to applicants?

Me too. Are you a local grad with honours?

waitingwaiting 11-02-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 33055)
Me too. Are you a local grad with honours?

Hi. yes, i'm local grad with honours, still no news from them yet, called and ask, they said still processing.

when did you apply? any news from them yet?


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