Just browse through the pages instead of asking repetitive questions

refer to page 1 onwards

about $3.50

It varies rather widely based on a lot of factors. Besides the actual subgrades you are being promoted from & to, there are also components that take into account the economic performance, your performance grade for the previous year, your position along the salary range of your previous subgrade, and maybe others that I'm not sure of.

Anytime after dec 31.

When will we know the increment for this year?

April payslip. Just be patient.

Of course they’d want to transfer to teaching track if they are in SEO. Being an ST only requires you to teach, mentor and maybe at times conduct workshop. But you don’t need to be in charge of events, planning and admin stuff like budgeting, implement new policies.

Do so much lesser but salary is the same at abt 8k. Also, even if you get C as SEO1, your pb is still 2-2.2months. Why need to slog so hard when this is such a comfortable salary.

Can anyone share the years in service for an average person to reach geo 5?

e.g male with NS, female. Deg, Dip. farmer

male with NS deg=???
male with NS dip=???

female deg=???
female dip=???

so are you male or female and degree or dip?

you can't be both at the same time so why kaypo on the other.

Would the salary ceiling be revised for GEO3/4 now that there are more people who have reached the ceiling but not promoted?

Not sure who you expect on this anonymous forum to answer this.

If you're trying to make a suggestion, maybe can try sending to HR instead? 🤪

Possible to be seconded to another dept during open posting?
Anyone tried before?

I agree. Is it determined by P and then HQ approves or the other way round?

Farmer KP or farmer teacher? That makes a big difference.
I’m a KP, with A and B grades. Took me 7 years to reach GEO 5.

The answer is repeated at least 3 times in the last 10 pages or so of this thread.. why not search before asking repeated questions? HR will initiate the process, and consult P for a recommendation.

Ever heard this? "CEP determines how quickly you could be promoted, but performance determines whether you are actually promoted at each juncture"

So HR will use their magic mysterious ultra secret formula to determine how often they flag you for promotion. We don't know what the formula is, but we know it's somewhat related to CEP. When they do flag you for promotion, they will ask for your P to write a recommendation. At this stage, P can either recommend, or not recommend (with justification based on your performance).

Supposedly the higher ups mentioned that CEP not going to be so decisive in progression(can’t remember whether it was CCS or LW) Then suddenly no new or very quiet. Anyone knows whether it’s in action in reality or just lip service?

It was mentioned by a political officer holder before, but there have been no further developments made known to the larger service (or Reporting Officers, for that matter) since then.

CEP is still actively used for promotions, sponsorships, etc.....................

When one is promoted, does ones cep gets adjusted at the same time? Is there a difference between salary scale promotion and appointment to kp (also a promotion)?

A GEO 5 teacher can command 6k+ to 7k monthly salary. Many teachers are contented with this. If they save enough, can go 2x a year holiday and afford a car, along with their partners' incomes. And probably save enough money to sponsor their kids' university education.

Not about the progression, but in general, teachers in SG are paid more than other jobs, because Govt heavily invests in education. If you look at the budget, education is always among top 3, and the main drain on budget is actually manpower costs.

1) What does contract adjunct teacher's job entail? usually have cca? usually lighter workload than full time permanent teacher right?

2) Is the pay the same as full time teacher?

3) everything the same just that no promotion, no performance bonus and no connect plan?


any contract adjunct teachers here can answer? thanks

To your first question, not automatically. CEP review is independent of the promotion process. You can be promoted all the way to your existing CEP without ever having it reviewed again. At the other extreme, your CEP could be reviewed multiple times in the years in between two promotions.

To your first question, yes there is a difference. Becoming a KP is known as "appointment" (rather than promotion). You are appointed to the role, but it does not come with a salary increase. If you are appointed a KP while you are on the GEO grades, you will receive an annual Responsibility Allowance on top of your normal GEO salary. It's not that much. To draw true management salaries, you will need to wait until you are promoted to SEO1 and above, which does not happen immediately after appointment and can actually take.. quite some years.

My colleague also took 7 years. And within the 7 years, 4 years were part time. Is this usual?

I am a female dip at geo2.

2017 GEO1 C Finished NIE
2018 GEO1 C
2019 GEO1 C
2020 GEO2 C
2021 GEO2 C+

May I know how long to hit GEO3?

Usually will take a couple of C+/B/A which can be up to 3 rounds minimum. If you consistently just achieve C, the will take longer. But also depends on your CEP. So if you have a better CEP and is ranked higher in the CEP list, then sometimes the number of C+/B required may not be that many.Good luck

7 years to reach GEO 5 is quite normal.

Contract Adjunct does not have connect plan and very minor bonuses, but other than that the pay is quite good. Your duties are dependent on what is agreed upon between the school and you and can range from classes, being FT, after school programms, CCA etc. Most contract adjunct operating on full time capacity is almost the same with regular teacher pay.

On average it seems slower now. People usually jump to GEO4 or 5 so quickly compared to 5 years ago. Taking your example of 7 years for a male:

Year 1: fresh grad BT geo2
Year 2: promotion to geo3 (time in grade 1y)
Year 4: promotion to geo4 (time in grade 2y)
Year 7: promotion to geo5 (time in grade 3y)

Perhaps its possible if you are an appointment holder. But the regular HOT will probably not experience such a quick promotion trajectory.

Wow. 7 years from GEO 2 to GEO 5.
There are many teachers in my sch who are stuck in GEO 4 for that number of years.

When we will see our increment on the Workpal?

Agreed on being stuck. Normal HOT teacher here. Degree holder. Been stuck at GEO 3 for almost 4 years. Well, I guess can't complain since I'm a C grader. Haha! I know of quite a number of productive people who have been stuck at 3 and 4 for many many years before they get promoted again. I've also seen people who don't do much, get promoted every two years. So...I'm kinda confused with what the promotion criteria is like.

Does this mean that even within the same CEP range like P7/P6, there are differences in the ranking based on the JH's relative position compared to others? So a P7 JH ranked higher than another P7 JH will be promoted earlier?

I was the one who had a colleague who promoted to GEO5 from GEO4 after 7 years. Still waiting for mine.

7 years from GEO2 to GEO5 is so fast!

Yes, usually it doesn't matter if you are A/B graders because bunching a As/Bs is minimal because i) the number of people getting those grades are relatively few so technically in comparing 2 B graders, even if one CEP is higher than the other (but same CEP grade), it don't matter. I think the main differentiation weighs for most teachers is whether your are a P6, P7 compared to your peers who are usually P8. If you are P8 = GEO 5 (projected at the end of your career), then it is wise to do something that allows your management sees you differently and raise you up to P7 (LH/SH) or P6B/P6A (HOD/VP). This is usually the faster way to get the promotion and the number of years you stay in a particular grade will usually be short. Reason is because they see you having the potential, HR will spread out your promotions to balance between your motivation level and your end of career span. As there is also a bunch of people who are in the Cs, then top quartile of the C will tend to get it way faster compared to peers that belonged to the middle rung and below. But being a P8 is still the slowest. Of course there are also other hidden factors e.g scholar status/national awards (e.g PAT/OYEA/FLP). You will be identified by your school and approved by HR and your CEP will be specially tuned in by HR. Naturally, for this group, as they are deemed to be CEP = P5 (Principals and above), then your CEP ranking is usually not with the normal population. You can identify these colleagues in your school e.g given special projects that are considered 'highlights' etc. This is because at the end of the day, the Principals will also be queried on how have they develop this group of special officers? So the whole point is if you wait for the time based mechanism to kick in for promotions, then you are doing yourself a disservice. Many of us are "farmers" in schools, but it is up to your mentality to translate something that is given to you, turned it into projects that leads to high impact for your students/peers/school. This is perhaps the way to get yourself noticed and having people speaking up for you in the ranking panel is vital.

When do cohort promotion for GEO2 to GEO3 typically happens? (Male)

I am thinking whether to join the teaching profession. Other factors aside, can anyone share the salary progression for the first 10 years for an average performer?

Would an average performer ever cross the $10k barrier?

no wonder tech folks in the public service laughing to the bank, many have broken the 10k barrier long time ago.

Normal farmer aka HOT max out at Geo5 max salary 7.8k so answer is nope. Won’t cross 10k mark

Hello, I am a GEO 3 in HQ, non-scholar. I was wondering what happens if I dont hit GEO4 by the time I end my HQ stint? That would mean no enhanced posting for me right?