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1) Work to 8pm is not normal. You are trying to normalise it or have accepted it because you got used to it. But as the senior you should not be forcing this as an expectation to us. 2) Ok sure you have done the same work, you have suffered, good for you. But everyone learn at their own pace so don’t expect us to work at same speed as you. You happy to work to 8pm, good for you. But don’t assume everyone is like you. ISTG it’s because of people like you who spoil the market for so long that this is the prevailing expectation. Don’t make your problem our problem. Don’t hard sell me on that “we are family” nonsense |
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Else feel free to look elsewhere? Not from audit btw |
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The contract states the working hours. I'm not obligated to over work that time. Once in a while, OT 1 or 2 hr is fine. But not every day. We have our own life, and we are not sacrificing it. If they want to sacrifice, so be it. Dont drag us. |
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yes it is about accountability, but how do u expect people to be accountable for a job that requires so much OT? use. ur. brain. n think. |
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u damn toxic. why not person B also do 8hrs, and let the mgr cover? then let the mgr go talk to partner lor. toxic. this kind of thing still dare to say |
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It's like junior lawyers refusing to rush to complete drafting before deadline so someone has to saikang for you. Freshies aren't changing firm policies with their little boycott especially since partners dont even know it's happening so for the time being just make way for someone who can help the team. Is this seriously so difficult for people to grasp? Don't be a doctor if you aren't willing to be on-call, lots of people want that spot. I think audit OT culture is stupid too but it's a sinkie problem, not your teammates' problem. |
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they cant resign even when bosses threaten with PIP if partner dont budge then sure arrow down to senior level why is associates not doing work even debatable tho |
Associates not afraid cannot find jobs outside lah
So many opportunities Scare no job meh |
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I've been in that position before too, where seniors asked the team to work on weekends and public holidays. I do it out of a sense of accountability, not because I enjoy it. By the way, as mentioned in another post, the contract states that we need to work overtime when required. We are also not protected by the MOM for working more than 44 hours per week. But to be honest, in commercial, those higher-paying jobs, you will also have to do overtime. So, the idea of no work after 8 pm doesn’t apply. If you’re looking for work-life balance and roles paying 3.5-3.8k, i think account executive jobs can offer work-life balance. |
Hi guys, can anyone help this poor associate? Everyday during lunch, my senior will force everyone to buy caifan and dabao back to office and force us to sit together cus of “team spirit”….but I really wanna meet up with my friends from other department to eat hipster food. How should I tell my senior?
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Anyone here feels is unfair to seniors and Big4 if associate don't want to OT?
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Seniors feel sian if juniors don't OT, but must see why also. Some juniors got own stuff, like family or health. Too much OT can really kill you, man. Better find balance, talk more, find smarter ways. Not say unfair, just work together for solutions lah. |
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In Big4, OT is like part and parcel of the deal. You signed up knowing it's gonna be a grind, right? So, don't play play. Seniors expect juniors to step up and put in the hours when needed, no excuses. Sure, everyone got own stuff, family, health, whatever. But when you join Big4, you gotta commit, bro. It's all hands on deck when crunch time hits. Think about it, if juniors start backing out of OT, then who's gonna pick up the slack? It's gonna mess up the whole flow, and seniors will be left hanging. So, no lah, can't just say "find balance". In Big4, sometimes you got to go all in, no compromise. That's just the way it is. |
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dunno why all these locals die die want to join a **** job then come here complain the job is **** and do nothing about it i will be more impressed if they organize a strike or stay on and become partner to change the culture instead of just whining otherwise i will say these are just a bunch of cmi who can't get a job outside because they're too cui but also too dumb to even vouch until can get a PIP |
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Don't like OT, don't join Big4 lah. |
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Now I am promoted to senior already and I can understand why need to ask junior to OT |
As an audit senior, I have been tasked with teaching a junior how to perform casting checks. Despite my efforts to instruct her not to use two decimal points in her working papers, it seems that the junior still hasn't grasped the concept of checking casting accurately and continues to use two decimal points in her working paper. I can't help but feel like I've failed in my role as a senior mentor.
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How much bonus do auditors get?
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Blue/Green/orange (not incl of A1): 1 month Yellow: 1.6-1.7 month (promotion is 3 months later) |
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That's why need to ask junior OT IF junior don't OT, it will jeopardize my own career leh |
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If that’s the reason you give me, all the more reason I don’t want to OT |
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Since we who OT are the ones who maintain our reputation for excellence in the industry |
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there is no excellence in this industry. |
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Then you don't put big4 experience on your resume lor Want big4 experience on resume but don't want OT Say no excellence then don't put big4 experience on resume lor |
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Now i mgr they still stuck at mgr with bad review. Not in b4 means good, u are clearly living in your own world. Oh btw im out of audit and have better opportunity. Some ppl 11 yoe partner.. some more than 15yoe still sm.. |
Outside, there is still a perception that Big 4 is a tier above diploma AP>AR>Full set grinders for accounting roles. Before the job market faced this downturn, exit opps for auditors is still pretty good because the assumption is that you can think to find solutions because no one has the time to spoonfeed you, caveat being your English has to be evidently good. It's just that we have too many applicants these days so auditors just don't stand a chance. (e.g. ex Finance regional lead applying for Finance manager, senior FP&A from competitors applying to join us at the same rank, laid off senior FP&A being willing to accept junior FP&A role). Everyone is talking about how bad the tech job market supposedly but no one talks about accounting...
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A few of us resigned because of being sandwiched lol
Interns cannot respond to you outside hours but they say no associates to give Got associate also their manager will come and scold you if you ask them to follow up on their sections (this must be why those previous commenters say they slack during their booking, dont complete during booking period means no need to do anymore) Yet when we are booked on another job already still have to work full time on previous job I only regret not tendering earlier because 2 of my signing date got pushed forward so I have 6 signings this week but my last day is still so far away Offshoring wont save us because they will say engagement too small to use offshore resources, sorry for not having 300 samples per section I wish we had paid garden leave or retrenchment package like they do in the US |
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