Hey guys I have recently graduated from SIM UOL with a 2:1 Management degree and so I was thinking would it be a good idea to enrol into another degree program at SIM UOL like maybe accounting&Finance or banking&Finance to maybe improve my job prospects? Since they have this graduate route program which would let a person enter into another degree and graduate in just 2 years.Do you think this idea will give me an upper hand in the job industry?
I don't mind investing the time and money if I can get better job prospects.

Emphatic no.

You having problems finding jobs with your management degree?

Why not? 3 Majors is better than one major.Why do people do engineering degree and do MBA if it's not going to improve their job prospects?

Many reasons e.g. he is doing at the same uni(so doesn't help networking), the majors are related(so doesn't really improve his skillset), waste 2 years plus money etc...
For MBA i guess it's for the network or to move into managerial roles?

Don't waste time being unpaid. If you want to take another degree, do it part time while working. Else you will regret it big time when you graduate from your second degree. Your total earnings will be far behind others even if you have a higher starting salary.

Taking another UOL degree would be a horrendous idea dude. Why not take the fp then sqp program if you are interested in accounting

I was thinking UniSIM part time but I don't understand why they have to drag their programs to 4 years for working adults.Anyway thanks a lot guys.

SIAO EH!!

XIONG DI MEN. MAI SIO PAK. RELAC AH. Why fight here fight there.

Ok, hi. In all seriousness, looking for some advice lei. Local uni, SIM peeps, industry sexperts please chip in.

I'll keep it brief. SIM-UOL graduate got results this year, FCH in Accounting & Finance. Haven't bothered to find job yet. YOLO till end of this year first. No worry, be happy!

Wana find job, for FCH A&F normally starting pay how much? Talking about SME those kind. 3k asking too much not? Best if can work PT only, 1 week work 3 time. Wa shiok, like that don't expect 3k la, but wonder if have those kind of accounts job?

TIA huh. Spoon feed me a bit. Still got some months to think, lepak, then maybe find job. If not, lepak somemore.

PEACE! xoxo muah! #nohomo
(My question is serious 1 k!)

Not specifically interested in Accounting but interested in various shortcuts to enhance the CV.There's this one particular program which seems appealing which is systems analysis graduate diploma offered by NUS.It's a 13 month program.I've always had a slight curiosity for programming so I think this is a perfect opportunity to get a glimpse of the IT world and also widen the angle of career options.Does anyone know about this program and can share your thoughts/experiences?

Also since I have a 2:1 management degree from SIM UOL,will I be able to qualify for their graduate diploma program? (They welcome students from all fields to apply even without any relevant knowledge in coding but I don't know if they accept UOL degrees)

Dude, stop procrastinating and find a job. That is the best CV enhancer.

I agree with the poster above. Stacking certifications into your resume can only help to a certain extent unless it is a technical certification like SQP program.

Get a job, get some work experience in

A top notch employers knows that the uol is a public university not a 'private' degree. only a third rate moron would call a uol external degree a private degree. :rolleyes:

A top notch employer may also know that the uol is a federal university in london with many colleges. historically, the federal uol conducts semestral examinations for all its colleges, while its colleges are in charge of teaching and students' affairs. just like how someone who goes to bowen secondary, raffles and someone who studies at home all take the same gcse o level papers. today, many of its colleges are universities in their own rights, and conduct their own exams. they have obtained degree awarding powers.

in education, we believe that motivated adult learners can learn themselves. hence, universities usually employ lecturers who have no teaching credentials or techniques to teach adult learners. adult learnings can learn via various modes, be it full time, part time, seminar style, distance, etc. while kids need teachers to entertain them and teach them things from the textbook. whether this is right or wrong is not the issue, this is just how it is currently done.

in fact, honestly, depending on which country you are in and what field you are in, a uol external degree may open more doors than a ntu or smu degree. you may find that employers in australia or the us would be more familiar with 'london' than 'singapore'.

a first class hons from uol is a top notch degree from a well known publicly funded british university. i mean, i would consider you a talent if i saw that degree and if i get the right stuff from you from my interviews with you.

there has been many nobel prize winners with uol degrees while there has been zero with nus/smu/ntu degrees. and i mean zilch. nil. zero. :rolleyes:

well, at least at uol, you can be pretty sure the notes and exam papers and tutorials will all be written in understandable english rather than having some singapore uni singlish lecturer goon (who can't even pass his ielts) torture you with his lectures and one million exams (exams every week) and make you go 'huh' when you read your exam questions because of so many basic grammatical errors.

seriously, walk into any singapore uni and listen to the lecturers. it just shows you how the singapore education system has failed in teaching languages to even a 10 year old standard. and there are other things as well, geography, science, entrepreneurship, business, etc.

excuse me, other than the creative guy, which singaporean entrepreneur is well known in the world?

look at some of the s'porean leaders, especially the older ones, it shows you clearly how the education system has failed them. not just language wise, but also humility wise, and other basic knowledge.

i have no links to uol. i will graduate from ucl soon (not the external programme but the internal one). as far as i am concerned, ucl is ranked 5th to 20th in the world, and the education department is ranked first. however, my first distance learning degree (1:1) from scotland was possibly harder than my ucl masters as far as my personal experience goes.

seriously, the world is such a big place with so many opportunities. as singapore imports 'talents' from mostly third world countries (even fudan's or itt's education are utter crap to be honest, not to mention some manila uni or um) and calls them 'much needed' and 'talents', my suggestion is you improve your own competiveness globally because truly, the world is your oyster with a uol degree and the right skills and experience. especially if you are young.

the idea that 3 years in a good uni can change over 2 decades of lousy education (primary, secondary, high school) in a third world situation where the teaching and absorption of basic science, language, mathematics, etc, is utter crap is just ridiculous. look at singaporean workers from the 60s to the 90s and note the difference in their quality. the young ones in singapore today are even smarter and better than me, and that to me, is a good thing.

You think what some big fark to study in NUS? I'm from Bristol and I know ppl get BBC and get NUS but with those grades you can't get any of the UK uni stated above.Don't talk rubbish.

Any fresh grads (2015) people who found a job yet? Which industry are you in?

Been applying for a few months! :(

I thought tight labour market easy to find job as long as one is not fussy. No?

Not being fussy you mean by taking up jobs that does paper work/admin work?

Expand the job search to include customer service, sales and in the meantime keep applying. You need to feel financially independent than relying on your parents. You would be in a right mental state to search for the right entry job.

Doesn't change the fact it's from a private uni, which is full of crap people.

Oh, by the way, you must be hopelessly insecure to write such a long wall of text... Just saying.

And you must be hopelessly inSecure to comment on a page "full of crap people" Douche! :P

This thread is full of stupid and ignorant people.

Guys... Relax and chill man. There is not point quarreling over whose degree is better over whose... Or whether if UOL is private/not private. Ultimately, all of just want to get a cert and earn a living.

the poor guy has been trolling this forum full time trying to stir something but no one even cares about him. haha.

for uol grads, a private degree is from a degree from a private university like harvard.
the uol is a publicly funded university.

perhaps, what he means is distance learning degree? but he is too dumb to understand the differences and modes of education. even the (old style) gcse o and a levels are in fact distance learning qualifications (singapore's exam papers are sent to cambridge to be marked and singaporean schools conduct the teaching). ditto for iq tests, ielts, sat, gre, etc.

there has been many nobel prize winners and many prominent businessmen/leaders/scientists associated with the external uol programme.

there has no zero nobel prize winners or even someone of some worldwide significance in science/business associated the local sg unis. haha. that tells you everything you need to know about the sg education system.

NUS was started 50 years after the uol external programme, about the same time, technically, it should have at least 80% of the achievements of the uol.

look at the wikipedias, under uol you have alumni such as Derek Walcott, Nelson Mandela, charles k kao. under nus, you have notable alumnis such as goh chok tong, kishore mabuni.

ha ha ha. don't make me laugh.

no doubt that the two local unis are currently ranked highly. why? just look at their list of professors. they are paying money to hire researchers ( i guess with good publication records) from mostly third world countries to publish research for them. the world ranking is mostly concerned with publications. i am sure they are smart enough to tweak their class sizes/student/teacher ratios etc as well to improve their rankings. but at the end, it was all bought by money, not by nuturing local singaporean professors to produce world class research.

singapore born people make up maybe only 20% of the tenure track professors from what i see from their websites. the rest are mostly chinese, indians and a few americans/europeans.

this is the same as them getting foreign sports people to represent singapore by giving them accelerated citizenships and money. and still not being able to produce world class teams in all the sports (except badminton and table tennis). ha ha.

haha. still waiting for a singaporean local uni graduate to produce world leading companies or research. probably no chance. we all know some can't even differentiate between public and private unis. haha. they are all in the banking sector backstabbing each other and taking pictures of their expensive meals on the weekends to post on facebook because apparently their friends says that is where all the money.

wah lao, why local university no truly world class businessman or researcher leh? easy to set high entery standerads when you have a monopoly of the markettt, but doing so also deprives many of a university education leh. wah lao!

ps: i no even associate with uol or local uni. haha.

It's funny how sim kids assume that anyone who insults them is from local uni.

Haix, why so cmi?

Ever wonder y SIM don't publish their fresh grad salary survey? The have all the incentives (build reputation, attract better students and staffs, gaining grants, etc) to conduct and produce such surveys if their graduates are as capable and highly demanded as they claim. But they don't, why?

They did. From their own brochure:

High Employability
SIM’s University of London graduates have consistently
demonstrated high employability according to SIM’s annual
Graduate Employment survey. The survey on the Class of 2013
showed 89.7% of respondents were gainfully employed in their
first full-time job within six months after their final examination.
The average monthly salary was S$2,719.


They dun publicise cause simply cannot compete.

And its funny how ppl say local uni lecturer cannot make it.

Maybe its true, but u know who teaches UOL in clementi?

Local polytechnic lecturers and UOL graduates.

Ownage.

interesting that they are using average instead of the usual median.

salary distribution are usually skewed to the higher end bcos of extraordinary earners who bring up the average. that's y in most salary survey median is usually used instead.

This is harrow going anonymous.How I know? Who likes to write long empty posts other than him? Who asserts a problem without a solution? He talks to himself and is neither from SIM nor local U.Guys like these are the real culprits.

Harrow's english not that bad.

Harrow is the PSLE champion that failed ever since?

Yeah exactly.He claims to be in ucl now in UK. Lol

the uol programme is a distance learning programme that doesn't require teachers. it is meant to be distance learning, you are provided with the textbooks, syllabus, notes, and perhaps some other materials from the university. you can study in the toilet if you want to. maybe you are not intelligent enough to learn yourself and figure things out yourself but many are.

it is similar to the psle, o, a levels. it doesn't matter if you self-study in your toilet, go to bishan park secondary or catholic high. the only thing that matters is the psle/o/a level certificate. an incompetent and dull catholic high guy may fail while the intelligent guy who studies in his toilet may get straight as.

ditto for the cat, cfa, ielts, gre, sat, etc tests.

so what, now your village ass is going to call the psle/o/a levels as 'private' lousy qualifications as well?

once again, where are the notable alumnis of the local universities if their teaching is so good? in fact, where is the truly notable/world class research that changed the world produced by a singaporean??

zero. nil. zilch.

they have absorbed the top 30% of each cohort (so they do have good material to begin with), processed them, and turned them into...what? people who can't speak/write/reason/solve problems (can only memorise and repeat answers for exams) and compete with the best in the world? or people who would rather go and work in an mnc for a 'stable income'?

look at the list of world-changing alumnis of the uol external programme (we don't want to include the entire uol full-time/part-time list because that would be truly astounding).

the uol is world class. i am pretty sure if you go to tokyo, new york or australia, your uol external degree would be regarded as equal to an nus degree by most employers.

kudos to nus and ntu for ranking high (by getting foreigners to publish for them). it benefits all singaporeans. but, like i said, where are the prominent world-changing alumnis? or even world-changing research/inventions?

i will look at another world class uni in asia, the uni of tokyo. according to wikipedia, they have had something like 8 nobel prize winners who are alumnis. i won't include all the world renowned businessmen, inventors, chemists, physicists and all the world-changing research/inventions the university produced.

the uni of tokyo takes in the same number of students annually as nus.

so, where are the great thinkers, great businessmen, world-changing research, great intellects from the local universities?

Kishore Mabuni and Goh Chok Tong.

WOW. I am so impressed by the high and mighty local universities.

Knn sho tempting troll bait siol
Nope moi rot going chu fall for it

No point arguing how prestigious or how recognized is the uol distance learning program. I only believe it is truly marketable if the external law program can be accepted for admission to the Bar. All the support from the uol distance learning grads are pretty useless if the Singapore Bar cannot recognize it. I can only hope that my wish can come true.

If Universities like Leeds,Manchester,Sheffield,Exeter was removed from the bar then no doubt kings,Bristol,Nottingham will be next and after that you know what? LSE,Cambridge,Oxford and then finally they won't even recognise Harvard anymore.So if you're not from NUS or SMU law then your not a lawyer.

Only time will tell.

UniSIM will have own law school lah.

Just not UOL.

Don't utter nonsense! Cambridge and Oxford are a league on its own. The rest Lse, Kings and Ucl entry requirements are around Nus level. Min of law is much wiser than you can imagine.

This one also will have limited space but high demand from working adults - difficult to get in. Uol is my only hope.

15 years back would you have imagined law schools like Leeds,Manchester,Exeter would be removed from the bar? I doubt it.

This statement I agree. Fast forward today, is not totally unexpected in view of the sheer number of law undergrads in UK as opposed to the limited no of training contracts available plus the strong demand to read law in our two local unis. Anyway, the academic grade requirement of Smu is higher than these three unis.

I can only hope that in the near future these three UK schools plus uol distance learning degree can be considered for admission to the Singapore Bar subject to meeting the required grades plus maybe relevant work experience.