Rubbish.
Absolutely rubbish.

We had to recruit overseas coz the public folks kept on leaving for pte
Then when we raise the pay in 2012, sinkie stop leaving.
Then our residency had oversupply coz sinkie didn't leave
We projected residencies based on expected attrition.

We also had a lot of foreigners RP and middle level staff as sinkie prefer to be a GP.

So to claim that foreigners deprieve u a job is wrong. You just need to work harder. Put in the hours.

Ah gong needs to deliver a service. And I'm going to deliver the service and serve the healthcare needs of sinkie, regardless how ungrateful some sinkie is.

There are 3000 good class bungalows, but way more regular bungalows/detached.

I don't think I will be able to afford regular bungalows even in my 50s, let alone GCB.

It sucks that I sacrificed all of my twenties, and even early thirties, saving and making an impact on countless lives in the process and yet I cant own a detached house even in my 50s.

This system is really broken. I am also very jaded from this entire process.

Quit and job and be lawyer .. Then u can get ur gcb

Yeah be a lawyer.
Most lawyers after 35 all drive Mercedes

What you are experiencing is what the engineers (non financial/banking) went through in the early 2000s.

Every season got a hot career
Doctor is passe low wage labour

Don't blame the environment
Blame yourself

Be a technopreuer
Start up, unicorns

If u were a doc in the 2010 to 2015 graduating batch and got into residency straight after med school, u can hit ac as young as 29 for girls.
Can afford mercedes also

Wanna marry such doctors. But they are quite cold

Thanks for the laugh. Whatever happened to living below your means?
The responses were also funny in their seriousness. Live a little. Bungalows are not important in life.

Even if I live way below my means, like staying in 3 bedroom HDB in Jurong x 20 years, I still cannot afford a bungalow in 20 years time as property prices will have gone up even more by then.

Even lawyer also cannot afford bungalow, let alone GCB. Just look at the number of law firms in People's Park...

Hey, so you just like the rest of us Drs lah. Realize the money not so good in medicine. But study so many years liao. Already work quite established. Money also is not bad just not great or good enough. So how? Find that very hard to convince self to quit medicine and start new career right? So just resigned to complaining. You are not alone. Part of me sometimes wish they cut salary of drs become so low that it makes sense to quit medicine. Govt very clever keep it at a certain level where it is not bad can still survive quite ok. If cut to like $1500 a month it will free many drs to justify quiting medicine and do something else!Young that time dunno how to assess properly what to study and what career to take.

May I check. For those doctors employed under an institution eh TTSH and not MOHH, do they get the AWS the performance bonuses all those around 4-6 months ?

Just console yourselves that you have at least fulfilled parents' desire to tell neighbors, family and friends , " My son/daughter is a medical doctor "

this forum is sad, i was just thinking of spending my savings to pursue graduate medicine... :p

If you feel like throwing your savings away for a low paying gut wrenching job slaving under a ft doctor with a two years career advancement (due to no NS) over you, then sure go ahead and apply for medicine.

If you are just a kind and generous person, I suggest donating the money away to a charity of your choice would be a better option.

Graduate medicine course got bond or not?

You describe my feelings perfectly. It's like a huge sunk cost... It's good to know what I am not the only one feeling this way. Can't really talk about this to my colleagues since most of them are super gungho.

Any plans on how to advance beyond this ceiling? Climb hospital administrator route? Cosmetics?

Change the game you are competing in. Eg sailing you point the sail to get you in the right direct deapite the direction of the wind. Everyone in the sailing competition. You cant win or compete. So what do you do? Change. Join motorboat speed race. Or even better get out of the water ans go on land. F1. Motorcross.

Try to get Psc lms or president scholarship at JC. This way u can ascend up the ceo quick then minister quick.

But if you buay gan, farmer yllsom. Then must either go the

Slog it hard way in public:
nowadays hosp ceo tend to be senior clinician.
A typical NUS yllsom grad CEP at age 45 is senior con.
Continue to take on more projects, quality improvement, spearhead events, develop new service, lead jci audits, also must publish and be leader of your field
Then become hod > cmb > ceo
But again these positions require a combination of luck and hard work
Must come to work at 7 and leave at 11pm daily

Or the slog it hard way in pte:
There are 3 option
Go out become gp , set up own shop
Go out be aesthetics , set up own shop
Go sell insurance be the top of the table, or be real estate agents. Use your contacts to sell things.

U see mother theresa and countless saints died poor
But they touched many lives

You should still study medicine and touch lives

Mother Teresa was not a doctor.
You dont need to be a doctor to touch livez.
In fact being a doctor ties your hands in many things ethic and professionally from doing many things.

Now better to do residency or go outside be GP? Sounds like tough life either way

Yeah almost no win. Think leave medicine and start new career in finance and banking is the way to go. Medicine is more low level frontline service. One patient at a time. Even as specialist you still treat patients one at a time. Trade time for money. No passive income. No promotion where you manager sit back sit in meetings, advisory role, directorship etc.

Now still worth going into aesthetics meh. See so many shops in shopping malls all closed cuz not even 1 customers. Who will want to be aesthetics doctor

Have you heard about news that one surgeon was ordered to pay millions for liposuction death ?

If you want to make money, medicine does not really make business sense. Finance is a much, much better choice.

Don't simply follow parents or friends to study medicine. To a certain degree, parents want you to study medicine for family glory or 面子。

I may be a stranger to you. But I am possibly more honest than all people known by you.

Thank you. I love this. Every aspiring doctor needs to see this. Do it for the passion, not the money. You'll probably be broke after medical school anyways.

No. That was a general surgeon doing liposuction
Liposuction should be only done by plastic surgeon.

There is still good money, as a plastic surgeon.
Provided u are willing to train for twenty years.
5 years med sch.
5 years mo rotation to get into plastics
10 years pure brutal hard work doing plastics recon
At 21st year u can do lots of liposuction, augmentation

How much does polyclinic RP earn vs MMed?

I just realized that tumescent liposuction is actually invented by Jeffrey Klein, a derm. Are derms allowed to do this too?

Pls la. For every investment banker u read online and newspaper that earn 500k pa, there are 1000 more wannabe who is making Ur average salaryman money with fear of retrenchment every few years. U can be capable ish but get posted to a unit that some honcho in hq decide to shutdown to streamline the business , u still become jobless. If u young and hungry , maybe a bit pretty can still jump, but once u hit 40s, no one wants u liao.

Medicine u dun make it big ( saved for a few ) but as a cohort, the most beh gan guy still can make 10k as a chill 8 to 5 gp ,more if willing to work hard and have a job for life that is relatively resilient to financial crisis, covid. Even if war strikes , Ur skills set is still needed.

But drs are the creme de la creme. For every doctor you see there are 1000 more wannabe who couldnt make it to medical school. Point is doctors know their worth.they have to work very hard to get to become dr. But the pay off is pittance cimpared to the bankers.
Dont let these people bluff you. The bankers are scared of competition.

For doctors there is no bonus for performance of the actual work. Eg no bonus for actually treating patient and they recover. No bonus for succeasful surgery. None. Instead it works on the basis if you screw up then you get penalized. Oh and the go the extra mile is not in thinking hard how to heal this patient but what QI project or research paper to write. Just follow the guidelines do step by step. Works or dont work for patient doesnt matter make sure you follow the guiedline SOP. Also if you try soemthing out of rhe bix and it works no bonus if it goes awry you are ****ed. Very demotivating to actually try to be actual doctor who wants to gove patients results.
Whereas in banking......sometimes take risk. No your money. At most get fired. You decide the bonus worth risking job and future or not. If it works wah lau eh the bonus is so big your eyes pop out. Slow tortoise no fun lah and usually walk and walk then end up dead. Fast hare exciting an even sleep during the race!

Is it possible to ever achieve financial freedom as doctors?

No. The medical systems all over the world are controlled by governments ans society.
The goal is to keep doctors working for as long as they can. Get the most mileage out of every dr. Hence the pay structure is also designed for this purpose. Most doctors will have to work till they are very old. Medicine is not a get rick quick retire early type path. Makes sense. Why would we train drs for 20 years and have them work another 5 to 10 years and earn so much they can retire?

Only possible if you invest well or start your own business (e.g chain of clinic etc)

That haa nothing to do with being dr then. Investing? Thats finance and understanding stocks and derivatives Med school train and taught you that?
Chain of clinics. That's running biz. Is chain of clinics really the best biz to do? Again nothing go do with being dr. Maybe as a dr you have a bit more equity to start off with but then again on the face of things 100k is also not much.
What really helps is bonuses. In banking and finance you can have 6 months bonus in some cases thats 120k thrown into your account year end. Gosh. Thats some equity to work with.

Its not about the money *naive eyes*
its that when you google "how is life as a doctor in singapore", this is the only page that is available for info hahaha....don't have doctor family so how does one really really know what medicine is like :/

Problem is you get so many non doc who crash the thread and go on and about salary.
Eg the thread above u that talks about 6 months bonus.
If he is a doctor he would have known that there are senior consultants who makes more than 20k a month and who gets 6 months bonus.

Just like so many non-lawyers crashing the law thread and making lawyers look bad