Leave, chiong in private, retire early (?45-50) possible if no kids

vs

Stay, be miserable in public healthcare system (although stable) and see the same toxic people for the rest of your life

You choose your poison

I notice all the older GPs and non-procedural public hospital specialists (ie psyche, peds) all live in nice landed property. Is it still possible as an up and coming young doctor?

no. young doctor buy $2 million HDB and stay till die.

So sad and unfair

Lolz
A few trolls pattern has emerged.

1 always asked about how much he can earn as a specialist eg neurosurgeon, cardiothoracic surgeon
1 always talk about landed property
1 always come and laugh about doctors low pay
1 overseas doc have this magical job that pays a lot but do little.

Oh wait. Maybe all just 1 nia

Lol nobody so free to troll la. You think doctor can afford landed property nowadays meh

Era of doctors earning super high pay has long gone.
Insurers suppressing doctors pay.
Salary has not kept up with inflation over the years.

There is more than 1 overseas doc for sure. I am one.
Some of the posts about overseas work is not me howevet
My job pays well and I work for it.

You are THE ONE overseas doctor always trolling here

To be fair most Drs pay is still above average in Singapore.
Even fm Drs earn close to 200k/year. (The lowest paid Dr or all specialities).
It is just unfortunate that in sg now, an above average salary can't get you an above average lifestyle anymore.

From the perspective of a single, above average lifestyle = own 2 ocr condos, 2-3 holidays a year (fly in business class), regular restaurant meals etc.

Of course, we can still afford an average lifestyle (hdb, hawker meals regularly, 2-3 holidays a year in economy class etc)

So it's not so much that we are paid poorly compared to older generation of Drs, just that inflation has eroded into our QOL.

Technically wage growth should track inflation.

2 ocr condo is 4mil, u need 32k salary per mth to defend 4mil condo (ie 3mil loan)
2 biz class trips to tokyo is abt 12k. Plus accom Maybe need 24k a year or 2k per mth

I think earn 34k a mth is possible

34k hard for doctors in their 30s.
Single Dr mostly earn 20-25k (fm prob less). 34k need a couple (i.e husband and wife doctors)

Need find a niche or specialise.
Gp dont pay well coz mbbs can do the same as you

Need a niche area
Specialist in pte earn much more thsn 34k

Is working in government restructured hospital less stressful? Lower pay but better working hours?

Or actually is better pay and better hours than private? Have your cake and eat it situation?

Use common sense and you'd get your answer

Specialist in pte how much? 40k? 50k? 100k?

Depends on specialty. If geriatrics probably cannot

Why geriatrics probs not? I tot it's the general peds that doesnt pay much

To be honest, what Geri can do, Fam Med can also.

Cos Fam Med sees so many elderly anyway.

U Singaporean or not
Paeds is like so competitive in singapore
Precious baby syndrome man.

Parents splurge 200 to 300 for a common urti no issue one

Oei.
How dare U compare a geriatrician to a chao gp
I'm SAB accredited ok.
I went thru rigorous training.

U famous then in private got pple come visit you lo
In sg those who can pay private one damn rich
U can squeeze them.


Ah bo, U try. just exit U go out set up a shop in novena medical centre see if anyone visit U or not

Probably swat flies.
Then suck thumb have to pay google to promote U when people search

So many surgeons go out
In hospital they top of food chain
Go out become btm again

No business after a while have to go beg TPA to be part of their panel
Only winners are the TPA bosses
Work long hours Keena squeeze by them
Moh publish table of surgical fee
U also cannot anyhow charge

Stay in hospital
Bid your time
Become senior consultant U chill for life

Geri pte consultant earn how much? 30k? 40k? 100k?
Peds pte consultant earn how much? 30k? 40k? 100k?

geri 2 million
paeds 3 million

gdfm 4 million

MMed 5 million
FCPS 6 million
FM is really the best.
on track to get my GCB soon in a couple of years time.

Thats the spirit.
Then wife 1 gcb
Son 1 gcb
You 1 gcb

Then merge plots to form a bigger gcb
All the best

pathetic

Surgeon 100 million.
5 GCB every year

Dont lie. Surgeon go private no business, very cham.
Nothing beats mmed, fcfps

Besides contacting HR department of hospitals and universities, where can one find out more information about salaries? This seems to be a taboo topic, even in an anonymous forum like this. Glassdoor isn't accurate.

Honestly, I feel this thread has been pretty informative on salaries for doctors. What else do you want to know?

Is it true that fcfp FM makes the most?
I see million dollar salaries and I'm salivating

Of course. million dollars is just the tip of the iceberg.

For GPs maybe. But it's been challenging to obtain specific information on specialists' incomes.

So it is true that GPs make millions a year is just the tip
Of the iceberg?
GP can make 10m a year?

About there one la unless U world famous and pple want to court you

AC specialist 180 to 250k
C specialist 250 to 350
Sc specialist 350 and above. Cap at 500k

Appointment like chairman medical board, hod got extra allowance

Procedurist at the higher end of the quote range
This include not only surgeons but gastro , ir radio, inter cardio etc, Anathesia

Of course if U somehow famous and have private patient many , esp those from Indo fly in to see you, U earn more


U go ask HR they wouldnt tell U much also.
Hospital hr most Jia liao bee job.

U ask so much also like that.
Salary in sg public is harmonised
More or less the same for that speciality, again unless u are courted then U can bargain
If not, U take what is on offer.
No shortage of pple wanting to come SG to work

Local grads a lot.
UK consultant wanting to escape NHS a lot.

what would you do/life advice
 

hi everyone, new to this forum and would like some advice on a dilemma I'm currently facing. Currently, I've received an offer from LKC and some T10 schools in the US (duke university, university of Chicago). i understand how difficult it is to get into both medical school in SG and probably even more difficult to get into top schools in the US, and would like advice on which to pick, hence have some qns:

1. hows the hours like in HO/MO and their respective remuneration? hows career progression like as well? how likely is it for one to specialise in SG with the push for more GPs and on average how long does one take to make it to residency/AC/C? if one chooses to become a GP outside or in private sector normally how much does one make?

2. what must one have to make it into the residency of their choice (is it by publishing research, doing electives with said department, getting dean's list, etc etc)?

3. can I ask if there's any discrimination for LKC grads vs YLL grads in SG when it comes to residency intakes?

4. to all the doctors here, if u guys could choose again, would u choose to become a doctor again? or go into other sectors?

5. any advice you would like to give to someone intending to pursue medicine?

if any of yall have been in my scenario as well, stuck between local med vs a top school overseas in the US/UK, what would yall do? for more context, I will probably be studying econs in the US (on a govt scholarship hopefully) and end up working in the public service. for more context, I think for a very long while I wasn't able to see myself doing anything apart from medicine, but I think the pandemic really exposed the harsh working conditions of doctors, and that the rigour of doing medicine is probably something that is not to be underestimated, and hence I worry I'll be disillusioned or feel jaded as a doctor. while a safe job in terms of low retrenchment, the remuneration per hour is also quite poor, and its really difficult to specialise as well. Never expected to get into such good schools in the US as well(hence the dilemma), where if I go, I think its a good opportunity to broaden my horizons and try to get experience in finance/consulting related jobs, but will definitely still come back due to the scholarship bond. That said, am unsure if scholarship and public service progression will be that good as well, as it is with a small stat board.

so what would yall do in my position? do medicine or go overseas w scholarship and work in public service? or any advice in general on how to decide? hope I haven't come off to naive/bright-eyed in this post, and would really appreciate any advice. thank you!

Given your significant doubts at this stage already, I would suggest you do not go into medicine. Things will only get tougher with the increased competition and if you are already having second thoughts at this stage, you will only become more disillusioned. Don’t do medicine.

Thank you. I appreciate your response. I assume those are for physicians practising in public hospitals. How about those in private practice?

How does one get courted? Hypothetically, if even I am the editor of a prominent journal, written textbooks, and is generally considered a KOL in my field etc., how would anyone in leadership positions know that I have any interest in working in Singapore? To offer a job when unsolicited seems a bit rude.