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Seems that FM will always be regarded inferior to other specialities by the society..

Are doctors in Singapore allowed to take two years off to pursue further education like the MS/MBA at Harvard or Oxford 1+1 MBA program?

Insead Business School is located in Singapore. Why do you need to go overseas ? Oxford/Harvard MBA is more prestigious?

My bad, did not do my due diligence about MBA’s in Singapore apart from the typical NUS and SMU MBA. Would I be able to take a year off to pursue the INSEAD MBA full time though?

What is a typical day like for a neurology ac?

Yes if u can get in.

Insead damn selective one.
Mbbs cannot get in.

My reg mbbs friend kenna reject.

You need to be middle management, HOD kind or CMB to get inside.
Or display exception leadership, cca.

However nus ntu smu mbas are kinda easy on entry.

Honestly ur chances are silm.
Insead is harder than getting into derm or plastics.

U can try but i consperm u 100% will get reject
But nus/ntu/smu mbas sure can get in

Sad to burst your bubble.
But only mo 10% higher. At reg and ac and con same pay for both girls and boys due to gender equality clause.


Nowadays NS is no biggie lah.
U go reservist i must plan my roster to accomodate you.
So u get to skive from work

Thanks for all the replies about entry to a MBA at INSEAD, appreciate it

Baby MO here, what's the use of a MBA in additional to mbbs? I thought if aiming for hospital management it is clinician -> HOD -> CEO? Or am I wrong?

I’m someone who’s about to enter medical school, but seeing so much negatives about the job environment and salary makes me think twice. I will be studying overseas, so I am bound to have a little more debt than the students who study locally. Honestly speaking, based on the current climate of healthcare in Singapore, I’m sure it’ll take me like 10 years to pay off my debt right? Or even more. Furthermore specialising is getting more and more competitive. I did shadow a doctor, most of the patients I saw seemed to be fine, but do local patients complain a lot?

If you are studying overseas, I guess the debt is to your parents?
I think the fastest way to pay off your debt (i.e financial lucrative road) is to do asthestics at this moment.
However I understand that's is not everyone cup of tea.

Not sure yet, but either to my parents or a bank. I am super interested in a surgical specialty, less plastic surgery. However, I understand that surgical specialties have always and will probably only get more and more competitive. Just a tad worried that I will end up being debt-bound for a long period of time, especially if I end up in a less lucrative specialty

GP earns the most nowadays , everyone wants to be a GP!

hello! Im going to start overseas too and i have been reading the comments here...but maybe we need to take it with a pinch of salt? like forums is where people go to express unhappiness but it might not be the whole picture. i hold another degree and have worked for a couple of years so just remember that money is really not a motivator at all. If you really really really hate what you do, no matter how much they pay, it will still suck. And if its really your dream, no matter how old or how long it takes to pay off a bank loan, its worth it!
Singaporeans complain a lot, in all sectors. Was in the public sector, singaporeans are generally hard to please, not just patients. Complain letters are so common that there is an SOP for them now. Sometimes just have to laugh it off and continue while swearing in your mind

I notice those pursuing post grad med and are abit older, majority end up doing GP (not fam med) work in the end after entering the system for a few years. Probably a combination of age, priorities, energy etc. Might have to keep that in mind

There’s a number of docs from delisted unis.

How are they like in practice?

If they studied there before de-listing, they are still eligible.

At some point , eg 1996, the only recognised Australia medical school is Melbourne and Sydney.
Does it make graduates of Monash sucky?

SMC recognition of schools has nothing to do with the quality of the students.
I've seen cmi dukies. Yysom seem better though.
Imho, we should have a licensing exam that local or oversea students can and should take to qualify.
I graduate from a delisted uni and I'm now a plastic trainee...so what goes?

MBA they usually take it at CMB level as executive MBA , aka part time

Yes reg > consultant > hod> divisional chair/deputy CMB/COO > CMB > outrotation to MOH Senior Director or executive director some place > CEO > Group CEO

But basically whether u go up or not is ordained and predestined by the powers.
Basically a combination of right scholarships. (PSC), parental heritage , capabilities, saga avoidance, luck, hardwork.

What about doing Masters in Public Health? MPH?

There’s a number of delisted medicine schools.
How Is it like for doctors?
Do they face the same stigma as lawyers from delisted uk unis?

Medicine is different from law in the sense that QS/THE ranking doesn't matter as much, ie, a Cambridge grad wouldn't be looked upon more favourably than a NUS grad in practice as long as it is from a developed country ie SG/UK/AU/US.

This is because university rankings are weighted on metrics which don't matter in the day to day practice of medicine, where empathy, compassion, knowledge and a keen understanding of the patient's biopsychosocial and cultural nuances go a far longer way for the clinician than the school name on their MBBS degree.

Medical school not important , can work can study can already. Best can brown nose well too, surely no problem

Why is it different from law?

I thought Cambridge med grads have more prospects than say a local uni grad?
I see a number making it to management level positions or top surgeons etc

It’s probably some level of selection bias.
People who actually get into Cambridge need to have some academic aptitude, father mother scholarship (I.e. influential / well-connected parents - who can afford at least $500,000 of school fees and living expenses?), and greater exposure to wide variety of experiences growing up.

So I think what OP was referring to, is that the brand name of the school doesn’t really matter that much on a day to day basis.
But definitely someone who has made it to Cambridge (academically and financially) would be in a much better position / will have much more resources to go further in life than say an ordinary guy

Medical school makes the least sense financially. It is the worst decision one can make if you come from a background where you actually have to think about money.
You spend anywhere between $100,000 to $500,000 studying locally or overseas, come back working long hours that pays you less than a McDonald’s burger flipper. You burn the first 5 years studying, and the next 10 years with more studying to become a Consultant.
You can pay off your debt a little bit faster if you are fully registered (will take a few more years of work for foreign graduates), and you are daring enough to Locum after office hours.
On top of that, you have to compete for a clinical specialty of your interest.

Comparatively, friends of similar caliber who had gone down the route of finance, com science would have spent way less than you (emotionally, financially, and time) and earning way more than you.
So if you are in a situation where your family actually has to sell their house to get you through med sch, be mentally prepared for the tough road ahead.
Finances / bread and butter issues will be an additional emotional baggage on your already hectic life trying to pass your exams, try to make a difference in the lives of your patients and not kill anyone in the process.

Not true. Local medical school is highly subsidised and very generous. Most middle class family would be able to afford some sort of bursary. Those with lower income might well be able to study for free, with allowance to spare (Considering the bursary from government & from donors).

How much does fam med MMed earn?

$600,000/year

I have a huge question to ask.

I have a law degree, am a qualified lawyer. 32 yo male single.

I wanna do duke nus. How long will it take for me to get specialization
And is it worth it?

Duke-NUS is 4 years. Specialization program 3-4 years. You are looking at about 10 years total to become specialist.

Annual income of medical specialist is around $2,000,000 a year.

Totally worth it!

10 years including housemanship?
I don’t make much in law hence I want to switch.
I heard doctors are also much nicer, yes stressful and all. But law firms are not any better.

Yes 10 years including housemanship. That's the minimum of course. Could be longer depending how you perform/pass exams etc. The money in medicine is the best in Singapore. Which is why so many people still want to do medicine. Recession proof as well. Guaranteed money. It is like winning the lottery. Most doctors retire before the age of 50. But in your case you might have to settle for 60.

Thanks for the advice. Made a wrong choice to do law after a levels.

For law depends what kind of law you practice. I know those corporate lawyers doing things like M&A they can make millions a year too. In fact even better than doctors. Be one of those lawyers work for bank. Actually anything work for bank is the way to go. Accountant working for bank, lawyer working for bank, secretary working for bank, IT working for bank. I don't think banks hire doctors though. The key is the bonus. End of the year the bank do well you suddenly got 12 months of salary in your bank account (means worked extra year just like that!) Medicine doesnt have that. Also medicine is very boring. No boom times or bust times all same.

Medical specialists definitely do not earn $2,000,000 a year please.

What’s with all these trolls lately?

Your answers were already sus at the beginning and I'm surprised the lawyer you were supposedly advising couldn't tell, him being a lawyer and all. But anyway, the troll always reveals himself because he can't help taking the pi ss out of people for some perverse reason.

To the person asking if its worthwhile doing Duke-NUS, specialisation is NOT guaranteed, neither is $2,000,000 per year, which is even more unlikely