What if I'm a well and truly colonised white worshipper? Speak with faux american slang from over bingeing on netflix, dyed my hair brunette or blonde and wear heavy makeup, undergo plastic surgery for caucasoid features like higher nose bridge, marry a white man and adopt his last name either as spg or gay.

Like this got chance to break bamboo ceiling?

And which firm would that be?

Who who? Why so little only? Shouldnt overworked sg assocs deserve more than that and why not slosh around special "extra" bonuses while u are at it.

The lockstep and frontload is to tell sg assocs and JPs, stop whining about sh*t on forums, fat hope about getting more and gtfo back to work.

Is Drew Disputes considered good?

Why are Sinkie lawyers such gossipy squealy types
Can see an overweight middle aged dude typing the above and laughing with his fellow frogs in the well with beer bellies

WHY MY WAIFU DUNWAN ME LIEW
croak croak croak!

.todayonline.com/singapore/lawyer-who-was-depressed-over-divorce-sentenced-21-months-jail-taking-meth

Why are millennials such precious snowflakes these days? Back in the good old days there is no such thing as "depression" or "work-life balance". No wonder our government is forced to sign CECA agreement to replace the weaklings among us.

s://mothership.sg/2021/09/lawyer-auditor-banker-quit-mental-health/

Drew operates on a "fixed" team system, if you are in the right team(s), then yes (e.g. if you are in one of the SC teams). For liti, the "firm" is not as important as the head of the team you are in.

Good article. There’s more to life than chasing a high salary.

Hello everyone. My nephew is looking to borrow money, approximately 200k, to fund his overseas education in law in Australia. I have been browsing through these forums about studying law and working as one and it seems like the ROI for this degree in its initial years is uncertain with a long, bumpy road ahead.

Can I confirm this view of mine? Do you people in the industry recommend to go for the law degree in Aus? 200k is not a small sum.

Thank you.

Stay there and don't come back to SG.

Because times have changed and boomers like you should accept this fact.

Not worth the ROI (if any).

Excellent article. NUS FCH quits law to set up his own business.

Nothing more satisfying than seeing an elite CV realising that the legal industry is a glorified sweatshop, walking away from the partnership carrot-dangling we see all the time.

I reckon this trend exists because much of the perceived rewards we see now are a lot less than in the past. No offence to the older generation of lawyers but partnership prospects seem, from our perspective, to be dwindling year by year.

Partners were made up in only a few years in the past.

Even if you do happen to make partner, the competition is oversaturated.

Discuss.

(Just my personal view, I do not speak to the truth of the matter but would like to elicit views)

This is no longer just "Oh, millenial" or "Oh, strawberry generation". The question is whether it is still worth it.

Some senior lawyers have said that the golden years were pre-2000 or early 2000.

There is some truth to this.

If your nephew is able to secure employment overseas, then it is worth the ROI.

Anything else will be an uphill battle. Generally the Singapore firms prefer NUS and some other schools.

Thank you. I heard that to secure a job in Aus as a foreigner is difficult as they have hiring priorities in place (Citizens, PRs first). If it is possible, I think it will be really good outcomes for him.

Based on information from LinkedIn, the top three companies which most of the alumni from the school that is in question are working in are MinterEllison, Ashurst, Allens. They seem to be big and good companies.

Since the companies in SG prefer our local grads, does this mean it would be harder to get into these firms in SG branch than if we were in Aus with the same degree? We are looking at Uni Melb or Uni Sydney.

A strange thing that I've noticed is, based on Linkedin, it looks like there aren't many Singapore law graduates from these two schools. I looked at Monash too and there were seemingly more law graduates from there

How are the outcomes of the Aus graduates in SG?

#SGUnitedTraineeships waiting for you

Is restructuring under Disputes in Baker? Since the new patner came (from CC or Herbies) they seem to be on all the high profile international restructuring and Insolvency stuff like Universal Tankers and Pan Brothers.

First ask yourself why someone from a MC or SC would want to go to Baker

I have no stakes in this discussion, but there are any number of reasons why one would change firms, especially at a senior level where remunerations, partnership points and platform opportunities can present strong incentives. It is good to educate once self before making comments that showcase one's ignorance.

Bakers will burn out! Baker will teach you how to open a bakery!

I do not think it is a ROI bearing path. The odds of securing employment in Australia as a foreigner does not seem high. If your only consideration is ROI, no.

Who is this patner

Exactly. The head of disputes in baker mckenzie nandakumar ponniya was from white and case a MC. And the previous head he took over from was SC chan leng sun. The other partner celeste ang was the no 2 to indranee rajah sc on drew it seemed. I rest my case.

Around 1 month to process the application - would be worth asking for an update around then if there is no reply

white and case is not a MC. use your brain

It's comments like these that will ensure you remain an associate in an international outpost whilst your friends build their book as partners in other firms.

LOL literally none of the CC trainees that started this year even got FCH. You kidding bro

Big 3 - Associate General Counsel
 

Anyone knows what is the general salary range to be negotiating for a 5 PQE overseas qualified lawyer? Role is based in Singapore.

for aus uni, law regarded same as med

your father got more money than you got brain cells

if you gotta borrow 200k to get this kind of degree the lack of brain cells may be hereditary

nus the best. fees are cheap. if cmi and poor family, can go smu too.
angmoh everything expensive, uni fees expensive, their law firm assocs also expensive.
sinkie firm everything cheap cheap.

So if you pay for the expensive option (Aus), but choose to work for the cheap option (SG), but your nephew parents are so poor until have to borrow from uncle auntie,

YOU HAVE INHERITED DUMB SINKIE PEASANT GENE, URBANISED AND PRETENDING TO BE RICH!

Lol CC attracts (and offers to) a certain type of person.. usually the slightly ass, slightly arrogant (just enough to notice, just enough to make ppl think this guy thinks he is better than me) "pretend nice" type of second-upper/first class. So in finding that type of person, that attitude is actually more prevalent in the second-upper region, but it is also widely available in the first region LOL.

So it's true that a first is not a pre-requisite but it's easier to find from the high 2nd uppers to firsts. That being said, aren't the bulk offered usually around firsts? Just in my limited knowledge of trainees, I know of at least 2 that were in FCH level, so I don't know what you're talking about lol when u say NO one is FCH.

are juniors these days like that? you describing your nus uni mate that is in cc? what class did that nus cc chindian guy get?

LOLLLLL how about the people who got offered this window does anyone know whether theyre FCH

U from baker disputes ah brudder. No need sad leh. OP asked why and you responded lo. No need so woke and triggered. If you want can slowly apply out maybe can get into a MC or WS disputes team. Can one.

Ya this prob makes sense for an assoc rising through the ranks but what does it mean for partners to take that route?

My own opinion. I rather see a nus educated doctor than an aussie one. Wonder if most think the same way abt aussie grad lawyers