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Debt markets and M&A activity in SEA hasn't been strong since.......forever. Recent pullback and cuts are due mainly to drop in equity underwriting and not debt or M&A activity since there isn't a ton of debt or M&A activity in the SEA region anyway due to its infancy. |
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It is somewhat true that Singapore (or Asian companies in general) firms are not as open to M&A as compared to their American or European counterparts. Alot of it is due to culture differences and what not. You must remember that a much higher percentage of businesses in Asia are family businesses and therefore, family controlled. Convincing an Asian family clientele to sell 51% equity in their family business? I would much rather fancy my chances at getting into Harvard law. Also, more specific to MacQ, I think part of the reason why they're cutting back is also because they might be realizing that the investment banking business (IBD, S&T etc) is a very scalable business. i.e. clients realize that big players can offer more and at better value. Much respect to MacQ for toughing it out but 9/10 times the business flow goes to the big players in SEA (the BBs like GS, JPM, CS, MS etc and perhaps the big local banks like OCBC and DBS). I think people are getting too caught up over a few isolated cuts in the business. These cuts and pullbacks happen all the time. It doesn't mean business is dying. |
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Read thread starter definition: not referring to top FO, normal FO. Didn't say I was in BB, just a normal commercial bank. So is my sum reasonable? |
Not sure about Singapore, but I'm a first year analyst at a BB in London, getting £50,000 as base and bonus depends really on your performance, we don't go by months, but rather as a percentage of your p&l. My desk does fixed income quant strategies, bonus can be pretty substantial, more than your base at times, but the EU is introducing a bonus cap and a 50% tax on bonuses above £25,000. So in the end, we probably end up earning lesser take home pay Anyone has any advice if Singapore has any well known quant shops to move to? I know jump trading and Hudson River have a presence here.
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The person who posted the bit about JPM not paying their interns 10k doesn't have a clue. I know of several friends who interned at JPM, and they are paid 10k in FO roles. No joke, I saw the pay slip/amt that HR sent them.
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For multi-millionaires MDs, they go to China club in floor 52, yummy dim sum... Later we head off to fitness first in floor 9 to burn off the excess calories, before going to red dot building next door to pick up babes... haha your 10k/mth paycheck fantasy |
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never judge banking industry ppl's pay/net worth based on their lifestyle, its their culture to project a high flyer wine & dine lifestyle. a lot of times its not even their money, just claiming from co.
i have seen enough bank guys try to BS talk big only to get busted out of job then kbkb dun even have money to tide through 1 mth. |
LOL, I have never seen so much sour grape kuku losers. Go ASK anyone working in BB FO positions! The intern pay is $10k/mth. If you don't know or lack the access, go to any local Uni career services or attend one of the talks hosted by the big banks.
Don't be a joke, pls. |
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so many sour grapes here. but you reap what you sow. it's hard, hard work. |
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Exactly. Some people just cannot reconcile reality with their own less-than-stellar situations. So they try to convince themselves and, unsuccessfully, others who know way more than they do. |
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In addition, these positions tend have an "up-or-out" structure. That is, you need to perform well, if not you're out. This is because Front Office positions are essentially revenue-generating positions. You're at mercy to: (1) the general economic conditions which tend to be volatile and (2) your peers (both within your bank and other banks) for the same clients. There's no reason why the bank should keep you if you're not able to generate revenue for the bank. Hence, the environment will be really stressful. |
[I'm the above poster] Having said that, if you're good, you can really earn a lot of money as long as the economic condition isn't too bad. Nevertheless, the financial industry is changing a lot over the years, which has caused a substantial reduction in compensation. This is due to: (1) Increased regulations; (2) Decreasing spread/commission by FO personnel; (3) Increasing competition. All these have led to lower margins and lower revenues, which eventually would lead to lower income earned by these FO personnel.
Hence, think and do your due diligence before you leap into it. The financial industry isn't as rosy as you may think it is to be. |
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This whole "competition against top students around the world" has been overblown. Trust me, MORE than enough deserving local grads with second uppers and NO fantabulous CCA records have made it to these internships/positions. I would list names, but a lot of them are my peers and friends. A simple LinkedIn search would suffice but I assure you, LOCAL grads DO make it to the Front office. And no, they are not FCH, top of the top blah blah nonsense crap that these forums like to mystify them to be. They are your regular, hardworking students who WANT such careers and made efforts to strive in that direction. NOT everyone in a local uni wants to do banking, or FO work. Those who do, and who put in the necessary effort usually get it. |
If you enter a local uni, you will have bulge bracket banks coming down for recruitment talks. A good number are very open to interacting with the students, and the alumni network is also decently strong.
Of course, I will agree that ivies and lse/oxbridge do well, but the local grads who put in the effort to network and work hard by getting good grades... its manageable. Certainly not something that is impossible; in fact, some of the students, in my honest opinion, are just very mediocre individuals who follow a cookie-cutter template. |
The internship pay for BB FO to be exact is 9.6k. Citi however, dropped that amount for S&T.
To clarify, banks in sg do hire from ivies and oxbridge but these are usually about 20% to 30% or internal hiring. Local grads are quite sought after in Asia. BBs and even top investment firms from HK/China come to SG to do their hiring. I have quite a few friends who are moving to HK for their summer internships. |
Wrong, AM pay is also not 9.6k.
It's more like 8.5k. I am not sure about equity research though, anyone care to clarify? |
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Asset management isn't paid the same as investment banking! Why is that so hard to believe?!
I know of friends who interned in JPM AM. Please don't smoke crap, not all FO positions are paid the same. And yes, I even know that JPM revised their IBD summer salary for interns to 10k (up from 9.6k). |
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Are you kidding me?
Asset management (and even wealth management) isn't paid the same. Must be another kuku bird who isn't in FO. |
grad in 2013 and worked for about 1.5yrs within risk/compliance area.. currently drawing 4.5 with bonuses avging 2-3mths.
was wondering how long would it take to be earning in the 6-7k bracket on avg for a sg male? btw, true blue sg male here w/ ns obligations |
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What a ****ing cunt of a loser who doesn't know **** or anyone in those circles.
Really hopeless. Asset management ISN'T paid the same as IB. HHHAHAHAHHAA. Real joke. I dare you to verify your claims. Stop repeating lame ****, ****ing poser. |
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"Wrong, previous comment about the compensation (9.6k) in front office positions at bulge brackets is correct. Why is this so hard to believe? We are talking about the biggest banks here... Must be another kuku bird who isn't in FO." If you don't have accurate and reliable first-hand information, why would you want to give wrong information to others? Having said that, we should chill a little here. As long as you're in BB FO, the pay would be way above the average. The difference between that 9.6k and 8.5k isn't all that much. If you're arguing over that 1.1k difference, it is likely more about ego rather than about satisfying your personal needs. And yes, FO employees in BBs are paid differently across the IB/AM/WM/ER divisions. |
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Do u know the range between FO for those divisions? I heard a PB ARM gets about 4-5k... Not sure about Er,am trading and ibd |
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But the difference isn't all that minuscule because it adds up (across salary and bonuses). |
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I work in a Bb 2nd year and I draw about 13k basic these days... Bonus not much though... Thinking if it's worth the effort to jump ship. Feel underpaid |
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PB: I would not jump into PB unless I know I can secure clients. Base will definitely not be that high. I'm not too sure about this, but I think that JPM pays the highest here; probably slightly below $8k/mth? The other banks (non-bb) usually pay <$6k/mth. Your future compensation will be determined by how many clients you can secure. If you're not able to get a minimum number of clients, you would likely to be cut-off after a number of years. I'm not sure about AM though. Fresh grad $8.5k/mth for BB sounds about right. |
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Because PE is so ridiculously small here that it makes no sense to jump into PE. Maybe, better hours... But the pay from many of the shops are crap. Hedge fund...? Few ibankers have transferable skills to hedge fund and they rarely transit over; unless he's in a trader role? |
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