Problem is that am studying full time right now. most of the jobs require min. 3 months contract. is there any other ways to gain experience?
Thanks in advance.

smelly university

25 yo, local uni grad
worked 2 yrs so far

starting pay abt $4k
current pay abt $5.5k

long hours, work on certain weekends
huge responsibility

wrong choice for degree..too broad.can't go specialised business function jobs like accounting or what..

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Any SIM-RMIT graduates that are graduating later in the month still jobless?

Me here. Started sending out resumes in March, than paused to concentrate on exams, after receiving results in May, went for a long holiday. got back about a month ago. Sent out about 19 applications to date, no response as of yet. Biz management graduate with minor in marketing.

Same here. Feeling so down since i have sent out 50 and not even one replied back for an interview. I feel really lost and think our degree doesnt seem to help us get a job.

Have you tried those recruitment agencies? I'm thinking of giving them a try. I believe at the end of the day, we will eventually get a job. I have friends from RMIT that manage to secure jobs. If they can, so can we. Just continue sending and keep trying

Not yet. I am also from business management with minor in marketing. Been thinking whether this degree is too general thats why.

Maybe you can give them a serious thought? I mean afterall these days, some companies do outsource job openings to recruitment agencies. I think in times like these, it's important to stay positive. Just keep trying. Every degree has its value so cheer up ya, dont feel too down.

Advice to you'll , from a ex SIM-RMIT grad. I was a marketing major.
Be aggressive and hungry, show enthusiasm.Research about the market, use whatever channels that is available for your job search, be it the various online job portals, newspapers,linkedin,company websites,unsolicited write in,friends & relatives etc. Its very competitive, its a employers' market out there.

With the limited call-up for interviews that you may get, this is the best suggestion for job seekers. Show the interviewers that you are interested in the company and its business, read up their annual reports to understand facts and to identify its competitiveness.

At the end of the day, some hiring managers are not looking for the best degree or cert that you have. It is the attitude that matters.

And of course there would be people whom will be bashing SIM degrees saying its useless, take it with a pinch of salt and move on because you know that there are graduates whom are doing well out there. Good luck to all graduates!

Hopefully. I have tried almost every method i can think of, yet didnt received any calls up for interviews. Is internship a good choice instead? Seeing that experience is so important and every job also needs some experience.

It seems feasible, however you must be very careful in choosing your employer. Some SMEs employ interns just to do admin work which might not be related to your course of study.

Try to negotiate with the employer if they are willing to convert you into a perm staff if your performance is good (take it as a probation period).

Thanks for the advice! I'll try to explore that option too. Any SIM-RMIT students here graduating that are also still finding job too?

can i be bad enough to suggest you quite your job and find a better one? i'm drawing 1.9k as a diploma graduate.

Well all I can say is do not give up and just keep trying. You will get there eventually. For me i started out at a bank with 2k per month with just a diploma and now after 1.5 years decide to move on to another bank at 2.7k per month(still only with a diploma). Now deciding to take either SIM-RMIT or Kaplan Murdoch. At the end of the day, everything counts, your degree, luck, connections and experience.

All the best to all the fresh graduates looking for jobs, hope you all can find a decent job soon =)

Please wake up your idea, academic qualifications id not just everything. I also took sim rmit accountancy degree. Together with my three years experience with kpmg. I drawing a salary of 5k as accountant in a mnc

mangement trainee prospect
 

as a management trainee in retail company in charge of sales floor & office admin work like (stocks, sales..), what are the future prospects? can promote to what position any idea?

Lol, an SIM dog talking thrash. Even Local grads will not stake their claim on a 5k paycheck so quickly because they know its not easy. Your probably still at a low 3 because your SIM and given how oblivious you are to reality, HR will never promote you to a 5k position for the next 20 years. Accept it

How does one become an "ex SIM-RMIT grad"?

So which uni are u from and whats ur job scope and pay like? Less bashing on a school-salary thread and more constructive inputs pls.

It does help a lot if one is from a renown school (like ivies) but this is only useful to get one foot through the door, the rest is on u, and maybe some luck (and maximising it).

RMIT Accountancy Degree
 

With an Accountancy Degree is definitely valuable. After working 1.5 years for a government linked company, I am blessed and drawing a salary of close 3.4K.

RMIT E&F
2013 - 2.3k (small foreign house)
2014 - 3.7k (jump to local house)
2015 - 4.1k (increment)
how do i fare?

Your pay hike from 2013 to 2014 is 60%, your father's company ?

2010 January - Started first Job. Pathetic Salary; $1800
2010 March - Changed Job, $2500
2010 June - Changed Job, $2800 + $400 Allowance

2011 June - Changed Job until 2015 March (See Below)

2011 - 3200
2012 - 3400
2013 - 3900
2014 - 4200
2015 Feb - 4500

2015 April started new Job - $4200

Left job because of fixed working hours (ie: 9-6pm job). Current
job requires me to work night shift.

By the way, just to add on. Same writer here.

It is true that you will face intense competition during job applications
accept it. SIM Vs NUS or SMU or even Overseas Uni
we are bound to be offered less Initially.

But trust me, after working 4-5 years its a different ball game.

I've had colleagues in my industry getting promoted faster
than those from NTU or NUS or SMU. Some aren't even graduates.

My bosses promote them because they can perform one or more of the following:

1) value add to the organisation
2) bring in sales
3) retain customers
4) Know the right people (Including bosses) - This one
literally throw all u have studied out of the window.

So unless you are in a highly technical industry like engineering
medicine, law that requires your skill to succeed.

The above 4 will move u up the ladder in the corporate world,
Not ur bloody degree Even thou it might determind your starting pay.

Not putting down SIM grads or what, but your exp is living proof that local grads esp those with FCH or 2UP have a significant advantage. It took you 5 years to get to a level where a strong local u grad would have gotten on his first day of work in either CS or MNCs grad program.

Sure as your career progress, your school gets less and less important, but having a good school and doing well acadmeically does give one a 5 year headstart. That is quite a lot of ground to give up.

So the underlying message is if you are from a private uni, work hard not all is lost. But best way if possible is still to study hard and get a good deg, it gives you tremendous advantage you might not realise until much later.

I find many discussions these days polarised with 2 sides not giving each other enough credit. The local uni guys tend to act elitist look down on pte uni ppl as inferior and forever losers. The pte uni guys tend to brush away the huge advantage a good local uni deg confer while constantly citing exceptional cases of "streetsmart" people who have exceeded local uni.

the question i have for all this pte uni ppl who keep saying deg & school not important, companies just want streetsmart, network, value add etc, is why then do u even bother to get a pte uni deg?

if things are really as simple as u all say, just know the right people & work hard, why not u all just stick with ur diploma or ite cert? afterall base on this kind of logic, nobody care abt ur school & cert few years into the job rite?

someone even gave 4 super generic pts:

1) value add to the organisation
2) bring in sales
3) retain customers
4) Know the right people (Including bosses) - This one
literally throw all u have studied out of the window.

for non-technical jobs, the 4 pts look like even a N level can do it if he wants to, why study for anything beyond then?

because deep in our hearts we all know that statistically speaking the better the cert/school, the better the career prospects. even if we know that sometimes a psle dropout can do better in life than a phd, we acknowldge these are and will always be exceptions.

Wow the bitterness is so strong in this one. Did a non local grad climb ahead of you in order to get you to this state?

hi bro, fyi it is not my dad's company. It comprise of night shift allowance.
cheers

Security guard ah?

Correct .

securities dealer

RMIT BBus E&F Student
 

*** the question i have for all this pte uni ppl who keep saying deg & school not important, companies just want streetsmart, network, value add etc, is why then do u even bother to get a pte uni deg?

if things are really as simple as u all say, just know the right people & work hard, why not u all just stick with ur diploma or ite cert? afterall base on this kind of logic, nobody care abt ur school & cert few years into the job rite?

someone even gave 4 super generic pts:

1) value add to the organisation
2) bring in sales
3) retain customers
4) Know the right people (Including bosses) - This one
literally throw all u have studied out of the window.

for non-technical jobs, the 4 pts look like even a N level can do it if he wants to, why study for anything beyond then?

because deep in our hearts we all know that statistically speaking the better the cert/school, the better the career prospects. even if we know that sometimes a psle dropout can do better in life than a phd, we acknowldge these are and will always be exceptions. ***



Somewhat agree with the 2 comments made above. I myself am from RMIT. I believe some jobs really do require a degree. To cut it short, I believe we need to be open-minded. That's the most important thing, respect that each (local and pte) have our strong points.

And throw out the stereotype that local = booksmart and not streetsmart and
pte = streetsmart and not booksmart. there are ppl out there who can be both.

Anw, i would like to post a question actually lol... what is the job function of treasury sales like? when i read the job requirements i feel like giving it a try. Like those kinda fx, money market manager roles.

Thanks in advance! Feel free to give me comments about what i said, I'll gladly engage in a discussion with you! :)

it's interesting to see how people respond;
anyways my input

RMIT-BBAcc (2010), took on the FP&A road instead of banking/audits

2010 Q4 - 2k (US MNC "A" Contract, no finance work experience)
2011 Q1 - 2.5k (US MNC "A" Contract, performance increase)
2011 Q3 - 3.2k (US MNC "A" Perm)
2012 - 3.5k (US MNC "A" Perm, increment)
2013 - 3.8k (US MNC "A" Perm, increment)
2014 Q2 - 4.8k (US MNC "A" Perm, 20+% increment, boss leaving so give present)
2015 Q1 - 5.6k (US MNC "B", Perm, job change)

looks good, but annual package will paint a better picture.

treasury sales is a role that you will not find sim people in it. FO IB roles do not hire from sim simply because it is a technical job. pls don't tell me DBS/UOB FO selling credit cards.

the syllabus and standard that sim subjects its students too are and never will be equivalent to the other schools. for example, sim has to moderate the bell curve upwards to help its students pass, despite the lax marking standard, whereas nus marks the students down to prevent a glut of FCH. by the way, in nus, one is benchmarked against the best in his cohort, and FTs from around the world. in sim, one is benchmarked against working adults who have no time to study or people who cant qualify for the local schools.

pls find me someone who can truthfully put his hand to his heart and say he rejected nus for sim. street smart? don't be naïve. tell that guy whos driving a c class, earning 10k a month at a major IB fo position who has a degree from nus that hes not street smart.

Hi,

thanks for ur response. Actually i wasnt talking abt "DBS/UOB FO selling credit cards".

yea true abt the subjects nvr being equivalent to other schools. but i dont think theres even a bell curve in sim (i may be wrong).

And whats this about a guy rejecting nus for sim? i dont rmb talking abt such a thing? lol, ure like going off point there. And yea, i know there are street smart ppl from nus, i acknowledged that.

anw...so are u saying treasury sales is definitely out for sim? even if its a second or third job? whats a typical day like in treasury sales?

i nvr quite understand why the sims so defensive everytime anyone say sim inferior to the local uni. i mean all the local uni ppl also acknowledge they inferior to the oxbrdige/ havard type, if u tell a smu that he will loose out to a stamford grad when going for top banking job, he/she will just llst admit it & move on. not like the sims here get emo, talk nonsense about being street smart, spin sotry about some make it big sim who "defeat" the rest etc.