Thanks for pointing this out! Any one of us can remove if we notice any troll data :)

Let's work together to keep the data accurate and up to date okay :)

18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Removed troll post

Talk about bad luck. And no readjustment for this either.

If you really received the FLP invite, it will come with an attached info pack that answers all your above questions.

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18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

I don't think this is troll coz it was 2018 to 2021 that he got promoted. Mine was a bit faster and I got a C+ instead of the default C.

2019 - GEO2
2020 - GEO3 (PI+MI was $690)
2022 - GEO4 (PI+MI was $450)
2022 - salary revision 5%
2023 - Internal appointment LH

I'm not a scholar, just normal NIE grad. I work my @ss off, did many events and was praised for my classroom management since the start. And my P is somehow impressed by me.

18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO4, 6.1k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

C and C+ in the default year, no difference one. Just a bit more money to recognise efforts. It won't make your advancement faster than that C dude. Both of yall above average already. But his pay probably still higher than yours right cos you 4YOE he 6YOE.

Anyway I don't think we are saying that one is troll. It is the dude that just puts GEO4 in 3 years, PGDE, but 6.1k. That one is troll. The timeline is impossible. Unless he comes and explain himself with details.

Agree on the possible troll for

3 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO4, 6.1k

Info will be removed again until OP comes and provides more details on his progression.


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18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Latest
18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.4k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.6k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

"8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k"

Can ask which uni did you get your FCH?

Sorry, newbie here, first time applying for OPE. I have some sensitive questions to ask about OPE:

1. I have heard that some KPs and SLs mark down an officer during ranking after knowing of the intention to apply out to other places. In my case, I am currently taking on many roles, projects and classes (overloaded, in fact). I have expressed interest for higher appointments but all KP appointments are saturated at my workplace. However, there is also a severe lack of manpower for my subject area. There is this possibility that even if my OPE is successful, it will be delayed by half a year. What are the chances of my performance grade being affected if I choose to apply for OPE?

2. I am planning to apply for more than 1 place for OPE. Are there cases whereby more than 1 place accepts an officer, and he/she will need to decide which accepted position to go for in the end?

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NUS
received C or C+ every other years.

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1. no. in the year I was applying for OPE, I got B from my previous school. Ranking should not be affected.
2. yes, can gave more than 1 offer, and you need to choose before you sign the form to be handed in to MOE HR.

1 depends on your school culture. Some SLs will give the B quotas to the rest who are staying. Not good for morale if those who are staying get Cs.

2 you will need to choose. Also, bear in mind that the offers might come in at different timing, and you are given only a few days to consider each offer. The org is also competing for people, so they want you to make your decision fast, so that they know whether to offer to the next person on their list. And offers might come weeks apart, and you might end up rejecting an offer, only to not get anything at all. Or accepting an offer too early, and missing out on better offers down the road.

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18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
16 yrs, female, Dip Ed, emplacement to degree during 8th year, GEO 4, 6k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.4k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.6k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Feels like for 8 YOE you should be getting more leh. Your salary looks more like 6 YOE. Did you include 2 years of NS inside the 8 YOE or like your PGDE training years? Or 8 years just from the day you started working in a school when you grad from PGDE?

Curious if 2 ppl of the same gender (hence no NS differential), one via the NIE route and one via PGDE, the starting salary at GEO2 is the same right??

riding on this post, can someone who is non-KP apply OPE to own school for KP role?

I know it sounds like joke but i am just curious

18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
16 yrs, female, Dip Ed, emplacement to degree during 8th year, GEO 4, 6k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO 4, 6.1k
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.4k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.6k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Yes. But what's the point?

If they want to promote internally, they would have announced the opening before OPE to the staff alr. Everyone in school is vying for the limited KP slots, so there should be no shortage of takers. To put up position for OPE, it shows that the SLs have already decided that no one in school is suitable.

Don't waste your time.

Maybe you can apply for the same position in another school, and see if your P counter-offer with that position you are talking about.

Yes, and whichever level (Pri/Sec), same also.

But differ by your honours. 1st/2ndU/2ndL/3rd or no honours
All got difference (a few hundred)

So the difference in starting pay between 1st class and 3rd or no honours, can be easily 600 to 800.

No. PGDE will have higher salary.

The NIE grad is paid degree-level pay only after graduation, when they are emplaced on GEO2.

The PGDE person is already a degree grad, so they are GEO2 when they commence pgde. They will have 1 yr increment during their pgde, so their starting pay upon actual teaching is 1 increment higher than NIE fresh grads.

Pgde bond is 3 yr while NIE bond is 4yr. Assuming everything else is equal (degree classification, performance), the salaries of both person should be similar at the point of bond completion.

Technically you can. But logically you shouldn't. What the other post above mentioned is correct about the school leaders posting it up meaning they don't see any potential replacements in the school.

Also, when they see your application, they will be raising questions such as "Why did you not make your request known to us/RO?". This indirectly questions your ability as a KP to communicate and network. So it will affect you negatively too.

The most direct way is to approach RO or even SLs themselves, and mention that you spotted this OPE from your school. And inform that you would like to be considered. At least you get a direct answer and reason if they are not considering you.

NIE route before salary revision (2022),
Female - 3.6k or 3.9k
Male - 3.9k or 4.1k

Anyone care to fill us in on the PGDE route? (non mid-careers)

If constantly gets C and not promoted, annual increment is around $150.

Prior to the pay revision, ceiling for geo 3 was around $5.6k.
For FCH holders, their pay should be around $4.8k when they get geo3.
The gap between their geo3 starting pay and geo3 ceiling isn't very far. If they don't promote to geo4, they will hit the ceiling within 4-5 years.

Most likely his pay stagnated because hit or nearing ceiling. Last year's revision would have raised the ceiling, but most likely will still face the salary ceiling problem if don't promote to geo4.

PGDE female here, officially grad and posted to school 2018. Starting salary was 3.6k also.
Older brother PGDE male with NS, officially posted to school 2015, starting salary 3.9k

I think it's the same..

Why are there 2 values for each gender?

iirc the difference between no honours and 3rd is very big.

Prior to revision, think those with no honours, starting pay can be as low as $2.8k.
That's like more than $1k difference compared to FCH holders.

Because they are so far away from the salary ceiling, their promotion is slower as those who are nearing or already at the ceiling will be promoted first. Also, because of their lower base, the annual increments are also pathetic, and can be below $100.

Know of people like this, only hit 5k after 10 years of service, consistent C grade, annual increment between $70-120.

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didn't include the NS 2 years.
8 years from the point of being posted to first school after PGDE.
promotion appeal through HRP - but withdrawn after internal meeting with SL saying that haven't hit time norm. totally not convinced.
the revision raised my capped geo3 salary from old ceiling to new ceiling. lol

3rd class and 2nd lower/2nd upper and 1st class

Oh wow..... the 8 yrs after emplacement didn't help much..... the lesson here is never apply for teaching if you don't have a degree

Yeah, not hitting time norm is BS. Clearly, hitting the ceiling is a sign that a person has exceeded the time norm, since people generally should have salary progression in their career, especially in the early stages.

This is the unspoken rule. Last time the gap between degree and dip is worse. Almost 2 times

Another unspoken is the university matters also. Even if u go SIM or SUSS or what, u emplace le also the pay got gap. Because it is less rigor so less recognised.

I think Civil Service across all ministries all like that de. Quite standard practice.

Yup, I think there's no difference at GEO2 when first posted to schools after grad. I'm NIE grad 2019 and my friend is PGDE 2019. Same starting salary 3.9k, females, both 2nd upper.

But those PGDEs that were posted to schools after completing NIE and starting at GEO3 have higher salary.

Bro feels like ur school not rly supporting u. Either u had some friction with the MM and they block your progression or you got some incidents or cases which affects ur advancement.

Either way I think change school or just change job ba

How come got some PGDEs posted to school GEO2 some GEO3?

I only see GEO2 PGDEs posted to my school leh. Even if they are males, also need one year then promote GEO3 (October promotion)

I have a few starting at GEO3. I wouldn't call them mid careers but they have about 4 years of working experience before joining MOE. They were then promoted to GEO4 after two years. There is also a mid career who started teaching at GEO5, I believe to match/because of her previous salary.

whats flp?

This is true. Even though he/she gotten a recognised Master or PHD from local U afterwards, it still doesn't make a difference to the entry level.