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Unregistered 10-04-2024 04:53 PM

Salary range
 
I see each GEO salary range can be quite large. Does it mean a teacher at a lower GEO may have a higher salary than another teacher at a higher GEO?

Unregistered 10-04-2024 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274595)
I see each GEO salary range can be quite large. Does it mean a teacher at a lower GEO may have a higher salary than another teacher at a higher GEO?

totally happened in 2023 to many...

lucky geo3s who managed to snag the 10% adjustment in 2022, followed by promotion to geo4 the next year

on the other hand, geo3s who promoted to geo4 between 2020 to 2022 with reduced increment due to covid, followed by the reduced adjustment of 5%

probably a difference of $400 monthly

Unregistered 10-04-2024 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274596)
totally happened in 2023 to many...

lucky geo3s who managed to snag the 10% adjustment in 2022, followed by promotion to geo4 the next year

on the other hand, geo3s who promoted to geo4 between 2020 to 2022 with reduced increment due to covid, followed by the reduced adjustment of 5%

probably a difference of $400 monthly

Haha, being promoted to geo4 in 2021 or 2022 is the worst. For as long as they remain on the GEO and SEO grades, they'll always be at a lower salary point than they would have been if they had stayed geo3 until after the increments were back to normal.

The only escape is to escape from the timescale grades entirely, i.e. go superscale.

Unregistered 10-04-2024 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274600)
Haha, being promoted to geo4 in 2021 or 2022 is the worst. For as long as they remain on the GEO and SEO grades, they'll always be at a lower salary point than they would have been if they had stayed geo3 until after the increments were back to normal.

The only escape is to escape from the timescale grades entirely, i.e. go superscale.

what does it mean to be superscale and how do superscale grade work

Unregistered 10-04-2024 08:20 PM

Increment
 
GEO3 to GEO4 523 - 595 (350 if hit ceiling)

Is the increment dependent on ranking?
Or dependent on the teacher’s GEO3 pay (how close to ceiling)?

Why is it that if hit ceiling the increment becomes so little?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274045)
Promotion
GEO2 to GEO3 530
GEO3 to GEO4 523 - 595 (350 if you're at the ceiling)
GEO4 to GEO5 599 - 662
GEO5 to GEO5a
GEO5 to SEO1 594 - 678
SEO1 to SEO2


Unregistered 10-04-2024 10:16 PM

wait a minute
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274580)
Let's be honest. If the KP were to reply and say that they will credit their JH for coming up with innovative resources, people here wouldn't believe it. There's really nothing to be gained by someone speaking up positively about their school or their KPs. It's just gonna be brushed aside so that people can continue holding on to their victim mentality.

The flurry of comments saying it’s ok to snap the teaching resources of other teachers reflect how deep rooted and prevalent is this whole culture of taking credit for others work, especially among the middle managers, which actually stemmed from their inability to produce quality teaching resources in the place. the justification of not wanting to shortchange students from other classes is moot actually, since their inability to produce quality lesson materials in the place has already shortchanged many generations of students under their charge. so if their intent is not to shortchange students, they should jolly well buckle up and learn to produce quality teaching materials.

it’s no surprising that such attitude will manifest itself in other areas of work, beyond teaching resources.

the issue was never about whether you or MOE own the copyright of the quality teaching resources. rather, it’s about unethical (and incompetent) middle managers taking credit for your hard work in producing quality lesson materials. there’s never been any issue when due recognition is given for one’s work.

of course, the flurry of comments could have come from a single person/contributor, since he repeatedly argued about ‘not shortchanging students of other class’ or ‘organisational excellence’ in the name of ‘snapping’ quality teaching resources of others. well, to that person, it’s actually not rocket science to build quality teaching materials. by right, with sufficient subject mastery and awareness of students learning needs/profile, you can produce one too.

Unregistered 10-04-2024 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274595)
I see each GEO salary range can be quite large. Does it mean a teacher at a lower GEO may have a higher salary than another teacher at a higher GEO?

YES. you are right.

Unregistered 10-04-2024 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274620)
The flurry of comments saying it’s ok to snap the teaching resources of other teachers reflect how deep rooted and prevalent is this whole culture of taking credit for others work, especially among the middle managers, which actually stemmed from their inability to produce quality teaching resources in the place. the justification of not wanting to shortchange students from other classes is moot actually, since their inability to produce quality lesson materials in the place has already shortchanged many generations of students under their charge. so if their intent is not to shortchange students, they should jolly well buckle up and learn to produce quality teaching materials.

it’s no surprising that such attitude will manifest itself in other areas of work, beyond teaching resources.

the issue was never about whether you or MOE own the copyright of the quality teaching resources. rather, it’s about unethical (and incompetent) middle managers taking credit for your hard work in producing quality lesson materials. there’s never been any issue when due recognition is given for one’s work.

of course, the flurry of comments could have come from a single person/contributor, since he repeatedly argued about ‘not shortchanging students of other class’ or ‘organisational excellence’ in the name of ‘snapping’ quality teaching resources of others. well, to that person, it’s actually not rocket science to build quality teaching materials. by right, with sufficient subject mastery and awareness of students learning needs/profile, you can produce one too.

Yeah, I have heard of comments from my colleagues saying we should share and learn together but often the person saying it does not share or does not create resources.

Unregistered 10-04-2024 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274604)
what does it mean to be superscale and how do superscale grade work

haha. then u will probably not be the sort to hit superscale

superscale grades are not MOE grades but PSD ones and begins are superscale H. minimally P but not all P are on it. equivalent level of director in ministries though some super DDs hv it.

Unregistered 10-04-2024 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 274620)
The flurry of comments saying it’s ok to snap the teaching resources of other teachers reflect how deep rooted and prevalent is this whole culture of taking credit for others work, especially among the middle managers, which actually stemmed from their inability to produce quality teaching resources in the place. the justification of not wanting to shortchange students from other classes is moot actually, since their inability to produce quality lesson materials in the place has already shortchanged many generations of students under their charge. so if their intent is not to shortchange students, they should jolly well buckle up and learn to produce quality teaching materials.

it’s no surprising that such attitude will manifest itself in other areas of work, beyond teaching resources.

the issue was never about whether you or MOE own the copyright of the quality teaching resources. rather, it’s about unethical (and incompetent) middle managers taking credit for your hard work in producing quality lesson materials. there’s never been any issue when due recognition is given for one’s work.

of course, the flurry of comments could have come from a single person/contributor, since he repeatedly argued about ‘not shortchanging students of other class’ or ‘organisational excellence’ in the name of ‘snapping’ quality teaching resources of others. well, to that person, it’s actually not rocket science to build quality teaching materials. by right, with sufficient subject mastery and awareness of students learning needs/profile, you can produce one too.

can anyone produce quality teaching material? depends on level and complexity ? teaching at JC level where ALL material is produced in-house, it’s evident that not all teachers can do it


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