So can I hear from the big 4 people, any announcements to go back to office come 1st Jan in line with government's stance?

I think there will be pressure on SM , M and partner level to go back to " set an example" because we all know meetings are more productive and efficient F2F

Bro are you even auditor? Or you are client and want to kaypoh if need to see us again?

If kena summoned back, means kena summoned. If never means never. Why bother ask on forum.

Audit have sm la, advisory then is assoc director.

Big4 is for losers. Doesnt matter if you enter in non-audit roles. Still losers. Bite me.

Im earning 8k with 4 years of exp easily in consulting. If i xfer to big4 i would be lucky if they even offer me 5k.

4 years only 8k? You in acn pretending to be strategy consultant?

big4 is primarily a fin audit firm

other business units are secondary

You do realize Deloitte’s consulting revenue is double of audit globally

Too bad Deloitte US is not in Singapore.

The advisory or consulting arms in Singapore Big4 are still good roles to go to. But contribution wise, they are not that great for Singapore / SE Asia business.

That’s a fair statement, the salaries of Deloitte consultants in sg vs us is also heaven and earth

So why are you here in this thread?

This is the equivalent of a JC student going to a Poly lecture theatre just to make nasty comments.

Its even sadder because he thinks 8k with 4 years exp is something to brag about. It's gross under performance.

This is more like a CCC/D A Level grad making nasty comments to Poly students.

I thought big4 very busy many projects one we all still here jjww hehehe

Top thread sia

Please share some office gossips too

Lol are you really from a b4 currently? Got so free meh?

I thought it’s understood most people here are either former employees or would be candidates.

Yellow - so far no news from management but office whispers say everyone gg back more or less that is the expectation

how about the rest

Anyone else buying clothes in anticipation of return to offce. I know me and my friends have. With dressdown attire its easy to buy clothes and look amazing

No but would love that’s why am here to jjww too hehe

There are Big 4 Strategy Consultants who earn way more than 8k with 4 years exp. Check out Strategy& Senior Associate or Monitor Deloitte (Senior) Consultant, both 10-12k.

Not the case for Monitor Deloitte

i love to pwn other people. 1 night cannot pwn people cannot sleep well.

Sinkie pwn sinkie culture

Tell you a secret , SM doesnt need to socialise with clients to get partner. SM needs to socialise with partners

you do know that 8k with 4 years of exp in consulting is not something to brag about right

go MBB then brag lol

Those aren’t Big 4 strategy consultants. No one in these strategy houses would ever call themselves Big 4 consultants (ie to say no one in S& will say I’m from PwC). These companies were merely acquired and subsumed by B4 bcus B4 don’t possess/cannot build out a prestigious tier 2 strategy brand themselves.

I guess you don’t have many friends and mommy never gave you hugs when you were young.

To me, working in audit is like an escape from life. Being able to devote myself to work helps distracts me from other unhappy stuff.

you get 20k per month and drive satki black toyota vios then come here haolian again

only people with miserable life join audit. Working in big 4 audit is like attending funeral. Colleagues always look miserable and some even sacrifice their lunch break to work as if your partner will give you more money.

Not true. I may be unhappy outside work but I’m perfectly happy at work and look forward to everyday.

But that may also be because how terrible things are outside for me… you won’t understand one. But I’m sure most people have their share of family, friendship and relationship problems.

lol what a sad life u must be living where work is ur only respite from life

Lets compare big 4 SM to a senior manager at civil service

big 4 SM total salary : 12 K per month + 2 M PB = 168 K
Leave days - 18 per year

senior manager in civil service
10 K per month
bonuses : AWS ( 1 month) + PB ( 2 month ) + civil servant bonuses ( 2 months )
Total salary = 170 k
( To note, civil servants also get additional Medisave contribution per month depending on scheme )
Leave days : 22-26

So may I ask who wins

Might I also add that big 4 SM couldnt encash leave, even though on leave-> no one respects this boundary. work hrs is 8-10 pm

vs

civil servant Senior manager : when on leave, standard email reply stating I'm on leave, pls contact my covering xyz. -> There is clear respect of boundaries, can carry forward leaves and encash leave last year . Also , no work on PH or weekends. Work hrs is 8-5

Uhm, 12k is actually on the lower end of a big4 SM's pay especially if you're in the deals/consulting practice. And if both are an average performer, it still takes a shorter amount of time to reach SM in big4 vs a SM/AD level or mx9 in civil service. Earning potential in big4 is higher and provides better exit opportunities too. But I'll admit it definitely loses out on the work life balance bit.

How many years to reach SM in civil service?

Do they accept second lower or third class honors degrees?

Can you just delegate out all your groundwork and purely be a project manager?

If you're not a government scholar, don't bother with civil service. Unless you're happy with average pay and average life

if 12k is the lower end of SM pay what is the higher end

bro do you even know who can become senior manager in civil service? average farmer will never reach lah hahahaha so clown

Can SM in Big4 jump over to become SM in civil service?

Why not? The exposure you get in Big 4 is invaluable

if you are a partner in big4 means you have the caliber to jump to SM in civil service.else no

Unlikely any partner will do this, unless you offer minister equivalent.

Why not? civil service directors can earn 300 k per annum and CFOs 500 k