Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70791)

I've read most of the discussions on this thread as I am a highly anxious prospective SIM UOL student who is most uncertain about the outcome of his future.It goes without saying that local university students indeed are more superior than those studying in private institutions and let's face it if all of us were given a chance to choose any university of our predilection then almost all of us who have commented on this thread including those from private institutions would choose a local U over a private one.

The local university focuses on equipping their graduates with all the essential qualities needed to cope in today's world and there can be no comparison with that of a private institution because one must understand that it's after all a distance learning program awarded by an institution which have collaborations with that respective university.If that university had its own campus in Singapore then it would be a different story altogether.

That being said I would also like to point out that even though institution A might be lower than institution B,that doesn't make the product of the institution A more inferior to the product of institution B.This depends solely on the individuals capacity and capabilities.

From my understanding in this thread,even before proceeding to study at SIM UOL,I only acknowledged one class for which every graduate of SIM should graduate with,in order to give him or her that slight chance to compare themselves with our local peers:A first class honours.Of course I do acknowledge that there are a few "gifted candidates" who probably with Good networking skills or interpersonal skills have landed in places one might think it's absurd for their calibre but it may in fact be true.

The world we live in today is a complicated one but I want to debate about something more sophisticated than debating a simple issue "Local vs Private". There have been many speculations about how SIM UOL doesn't provide students with in depth knowledge about the respective subjects due to lack of coursework and other related factors and thus if a THIRD class local U grad were to enroll in SIM UOL,he or she may as well ace the system since it would be easier for him or her to jump on a planet with lesser gravity than the planet he or she was previously in.This may be true or untrue,it's after all just an assumption.But how about we look at it this way,Will a student from a local U who graduate with a 3rd class honours be accepted into a masters program at LSE(Main campus)? I mean why not give that student a chance because if he or she had instead enrolled in SIM UOL his or her third class honours in a local U would be anyway tantamount to a first class in SIM-UOL.It would be the most inane thing a prestigious University like LSE can do if such an institution permits a student with a third class honours to enroll in their program.With some research and live examples that move around us,No one can be oblivious and dispute the fact that a first class SIM UOL grad cannot get into LSE for their masters program.This in turn shows that a Third class honours student from a local U is not superior than a first class honours student from SIM-UOL program because if the third class student was admitted into LSE then it would be flagrant that LSE is considered as a Third class institute which can never happen.

I think once a First Class SIM UOL grad has equipped themselves with work experience and a masters from top institutions(more superior than those of our Local U's) he or she can be comparable to a local U grad and at least consider themselves on par with not the real elites(of course some may as well depending on circumstances) but the "ones" who consider themselves Good local Uni grads.

I also do acknowledge that one may discord my above opinions but hey that's part of this process,do debate with me on this issue.

Thank you for sparing time to read my thoughts.Please do correct me if I'm wrong to say what I said in anyway and I am sincerely sorry to those I might have offended in any way what so ever.

Have a good day!
(The above content is entirely based on my thoughts and opinions)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70791)

I've read most of the discussions on this thread as I am a highly anxious prospective SIM UOL student who is most uncertain about the outcome of his future.It goes without saying that local university students indeed are more superior than those studying in private institutions and let's face it if all of us were given a chance to choose any university of our predilection then almost all of us who have commented on this thread including those from private institutions would choose a local U over a private one.

The local university focuses on equipping their graduates with all the essential qualities needed to cope in today's world and there can be no comparison with that of a private institution because one must understand that it's after all a distance learning program awarded by an institution which have collaborations with that respective university.If that university had its own campus in Singapore then it would be a different story altogether.

That being said I would also like to point out that even though institution A might be lower than institution B,that doesn't make the product of the institution A more inferior to the product of institution B.This depends solely on the individuals capacity and capabilities.

From my understanding in this thread,even before proceeding to study at SIM UOL,I only acknowledged one class for which every graduate of SIM should graduate with,in order to give him or her that slight chance to compare themselves with our local peers:A first class honours.Of course I do acknowledge that there are a few "gifted candidates" who probably with Good networking skills or interpersonal skills have landed in places one might think it's absurd for their calibre but it may in fact be true.

The world we live in today is a complicated one but I want to debate about something more sophisticated than debating a simple issue "Local vs Private". There have been many speculations about how SIM UOL doesn't provide students with in depth knowledge about the respective subjects due to lack of coursework and other related factors and thus if a THIRD class local U grad were to enroll in SIM UOL,he or she may as well ace the system since it would be easier for him or her to jump on a planet with lesser gravity than the planet he or she was previously in.This may be true or untrue,it's after all just an assumption.But how about we look at it this way,Will a student from a local U who graduate with a 3rd class honours be accepted into a masters program at LSE(Main campus)? I mean why not give that student a chance because if he or she had instead enrolled in SIM UOL his or her third class honours in a local U would be anyway tantamount to a first class in SIM-UOL.It would be the most inane thing a prestigious University like LSE can do if such an institution permits a student with a third class honours to enroll in their program.With some research and live examples that move around us,No one can be oblivious and dispute the fact that a first class SIM UOL grad cannot get into LSE for their masters program.This in turn shows that a Third class honours student from a local U is not superior than a first class honours student from SIM-UOL program because if the third class student was admitted into LSE then it would be flagrant that LSE is considered as a Third class institute which can never happen.

I think once a First Class SIM UOL grad has equipped themselves with work experience and a masters from top institutions(more superior than those of our Local U's) he or she can be comparable to a local U grad and at least consider themselves on par with not the real elites(of course some may as well depending on circumstances) but the "ones" who consider themselves Good local Uni grads.

I also do acknowledge that one may discord my above opinions but hey that's part of this process,do debate with me on this issue.

Thank you for sparing time to read my thoughts.Please do correct me if I'm wrong to say what I said in anyway and I am sincerely sorry to those I might have offended in any way what so ever.

Have a good day!
(The above content is entirely based on my thoughts and opinions)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70791)

I've read most of the discussions on this thread as I am a highly anxious prospective SIM UOL student who is most uncertain about the outcome of his future.It goes without saying that local university students indeed are more superior than those studying in private institutions and let's face it if all of us were given a chance to choose any university of our predilection then almost all of us who have commented on this thread including those from private institutions would choose a local U over a private one.

The local university focuses on equipping their graduates with all the essential qualities needed to cope in today's world and there can be no comparison with that of a private institution because one must understand that it's after all a distance learning program awarded by an institution which have collaborations with that respective university.If that university had its own campus in Singapore then it would be a different story altogether.

That being said I would also like to point out that even though institution A might be lower than institution B,that doesn't make the product of the institution A more inferior to the product of institution B.This depends solely on the individuals capacity and capabilities.

From my understanding in this thread,even before proceeding to study at SIM UOL,I only acknowledged one class for which every graduate of SIM should graduate with,in order to give him or her that slight chance to compare themselves with our local peers:A first class honours.Of course I do acknowledge that there are a few "gifted candidates" who probably with Good networking skills or interpersonal skills have landed in places one might think it's absurd for their calibre but it may in fact be true.

The world we live in today is a complicated one but I want to debate about something more sophisticated than debating a simple issue "Local vs Private". There have been many speculations about how SIM UOL doesn't provide students with in depth knowledge about the respective subjects due to lack of coursework and other related factors and thus if a THIRD class local U grad were to enroll in SIM UOL,he or she may as well ace the system since it would be easier for him or her to jump on a planet with lesser gravity than the planet he or she was previously in.This may be true or untrue,it's after all just an assumption.But how about we look at it this way,Will a student from a local U who graduate with a 3rd class honours be accepted into a masters program at LSE(Main campus)? I mean why not give that student a chance because if he or she had instead enrolled in SIM UOL his or her third class honours in a local U would be anyway tantamount to a first class in SIM-UOL.It would be the most inane thing a prestigious University like LSE can do if such an institution permits a student with a third class honours to enroll in their program.With some research and live examples that move around us,No one can be oblivious and dispute the fact that a first class SIM UOL grad cannot get into LSE for their masters program.This in turn shows that a Third class honours student from a local U is not superior than a first class honours student from SIM-UOL program because if the third class student was admitted into LSE then it would be flagrant that LSE is considered as a Third class institute which can never happen.

I think once a First Class SIM UOL grad has equipped themselves with work experience and a masters from top institutions(more superior than those of our Local U's) he or she can be comparable to a local U grad and at least consider themselves on par with not the real elites(of course some may as well depending on circumstances) but the "ones" who consider themselves Good local Uni grads.

I also do acknowledge that one may discord my above opinions but hey that's part of this process,do debate with me on this issue.

Thank you for sparing time to read my thoughts.Please do correct me if I'm wrong to say what I said in anyway and I am sincerely sorry to those I might have offended in any way what so ever.

Have a good day!
(The above content is entirely based on my thoughts and opinions)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70802)

Sorry, but what's the point of this diatribe?

Most people here have real life specific challenges looking and/or negotiating salary for jobs, I doubt they are interested in reading / replying to your various postulations over a smattering of vaguely defined topics.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70800)

First of all, you need to learn how to write more concisely and to the point.

There are so many fillers, unrelated stuff, disclaimers and apologies that it is hard to know what is your main point.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70807)

Oh, he is a prospective SIM UOL student... That explains it. SIM ppl all one type.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70806)

Wow, this is a clear case of someone trying too hard to impress but ending up with verbal diarrhoea and revealing all his flaws in writing.

Of course, one may argue that it is quite a feat to have so many words, yet with so little substance. Then again, if there is one thing in abundance, it is grammar mistakes. :)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70813)

My English can be a little disturbing at times but hey "Has anyone told you nobody is perfect?" I do have a lot of work to do with improving my grammar and you seem to be enjoying discrediting it but you know I would appreciate if you could point them out for me so I can learn from them. :)

While you're at it,do something fruitful for once in this forum and let's discuss of whatever little substance there may be in it. It's so little but I'm appalled that I just get negative remarks about irrelevant aspects than replies on the subject matter.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70791)

I've read most of the discussions on this thread as I am a highly anxious prospective SIM UOL student who is most uncertain about the outcome of his future.It goes without saying that local university students indeed are more superior than those studying in private institutions and let's face it if all of us were given a chance to choose any university of our predilection then almost all of us who have commented on this thread including those from private institutions would choose a local U over a private one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70814)

Nobody is perfect, that's true.

But one thing you (and everyone else, including myself) should keep in mind is that your delivery affects the clarity of your post. If you are unable to succinctly and lucidly convey your points, your "wonderful" points will not get across to the readers. So I doubt you should blame us if we are appalled, and are unable to understand what it is that you're trying to drive across.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70838)

Ok, so you are deliberately making yourself verbose in order to what? Show off the point that prospective SIM people cannot write well?

you already know that there is a vast difference between SIM and the local universities.

you imagine yourself getting FCH and then going on to take Masters in LSE in order to compensate.

have you really considered what getting a Master degree would mean? Do you know the difference between MSc and MBA? Taught Masters and Research Masters?

Even if we revert to your simple model of Masters versus a 4 yr local uni honours degree, do you know that a good local uni grad is capable of getting into phd directly without Masters?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70844)

Who cares if a Good local graduate from a local U progress to a PhD? I surely don't care,do you? I'm just saying that if a university like LSE accepts a FCH graduate from SIM UOL into their program,it goes to show it is of some standard.The entry requirements for such a university will probably be nothing less than a second upper so local grads who have anything lower will probably not be accepted and the same goes for SIM UOL grads.But according to speculations,isn't it easier to attain a FCH from a SIM UOL program than a local U? If that is true then all prospective SIM UOL students at this point have to just work for a FCH and progress higher and hope for the best.

Are you a local university grad btw?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70845)

Hahaha, ok this is funny.

Let me ask you, the prospective SIM UOL wannabe, a 20 mark question:

What is the difference between LSE and SIM UOL?

Now think very carefully before you answer because you now cannot pass off an out-of-point answer as some "act smart" watever.

Your answer (if correct) will answer your question.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70849)

I acknowledge the difference you're trying to prove between a LSE and SIM UOL but I would like to highlight I'm not comparing the 2 universities in anyway.You can never compare a DL with an on campus program.It's not about comparison here I'm just passing a message to other students from SIM UOL to take things as they come,study hard and pass out with a FCH so later on they can keep their options wide open.

I want you to answer something now:Do you think it is possible for a FCH from SIM UOL to gain admissions into LSE or even a local University for their masters programs?

If you say No then the whole purpose of this discussion is pointless.

And please don't judge other SIM students based on the skills I have.If I cannot write well then be it but it doesn't have to mean other people can't.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70854)

Encouraging others to study hard and get good grades to keep career options open is advice so generic that it is applicable to everyone of us. If that is all you want to say, you could have summed it up all in 1 sentence instead of going on and on.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70858)

But my advice isn't for local U grads,they can take care of themselves.I have posed a question for which you have again evaded.

Can a SIM UOL FCH grad get to into LSE or a local U for their masters ?

local U students who likes to sneer at SIM students seem to be very conceited and disturbed by the very question you keep avoiding to answer.

And to the guy who commented above who is confused,I'm surprised that your obfuscated with a theory of a SIM student.
Listen to the guy who commented below "Relax leh.why so serious" LOL

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70858)

Can a SIM UOL FCH grad get to into LSE or a local U for their masters ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70858)

But my advice isn't for local U grads,they can take care of themselves.I have posed a question for which you have again evaded.

Can a SIM UOL FCH grad get to into LSE or a local U for their masters ?

local U students who likes to sneer at SIM students seem to be very conceited and disturbed by the very question you keep avoiding to answer.

And to the guy who commented above who is confused,I'm surprised that your obfuscated with a theory of a SIM student.
Listen to the guy who commented below "Relax leh.why so serious" LOL

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70862)

I already asked you to think about the difference between MSc and MBA, Taught Masters and Research Masters.

You completely ignored that and reverted back to your extremely simple "Can a SIM UOL FCH grad get to into LSE or a local U for their masters ?"

The point is, different types of Masters have different requirements. You might require GRE scores to apply. You might require GMAT scores to apply. You might require TOEFL. You might require IELTS. You might require years of postgraduate work experience.

You have totally excluded all of those possibilities and concentrate only on your honours classification.

So, no. Without GMAT scores, you cannot get into NUS Masters of Business Administration.


With regards to practical advice for other SIM wannabes, you all should go and work. Study part time. This advice has been given by others before but always seem to be glossed over by the FCH thing.

By the time you graduate, you would have at least 3 years of work experience. That is valuable. That is realistic. That is achievable. This is respectable.

A job applicant shows me she has been working full time and continues to upgrade herself and got a 3rd class honours, i will say good job for juggling work and study.

A job applicant with nothing but an SIM degree is totally unimpressive.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70878)

If you were tying to elicit entry requirements for a masters program then you should have said so because I very well know one must have Good scores for GRE and GMAT.That goes without saying and trust me it isn't that difficult to achieve good scores if one has the right skill set.Anyone who has done the SAT's would know that except for the analysis of issue and argument,GRE and GMAT have divided the SAT into tantamount parts and have incorporated it in their exams.Of course GRE math is a bit different.As for IELTS I'm sure any local graduate would be able to score between 8-9 it's that easy.With my score of 8,you criticise my writing then just imagine how much you can score.(Max is 9) TOEFL is something needed for the U.S.

Thank you for highlighting that a SIM graduate can progress to an MBA in NUS with a good GMAT score of course.You must be a NUS student yourself to comment on it.

As for your practical advice,I appreciate you taking out time from your busy schedule to advice everyone and for that I thank you.Of course I didn't quite concur on your hypothesis of a third class trying to balance work and study because with third class you can surely be rest assured that will be your last degree you will graduate(I may be wrong) with LOL but we all have our own opinions don't we.It becomes pointless debating about that.

Again as for SIM graduates in the working world you say a person with no experience but with a degree is worthless? Then I sincerely need to know if you know SIM graduates who have gotten jobs in Good places? I have completely zero experience where the working world is concerned so please forgive me for being so naive.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70889)

It is obvious that you are sorely lacking in critical analysis skills and trying to cover it up.

I doubt you would even be able to pass your exams, nevermind the class of honours.

This will be my last reply to you.

Continue to live in your imaginary world.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70914)

sim clown trying to haolian his england skill

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70914)

sim clown trying to haolian his england skill

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70862)

With regards to practical advice for other SIM wannabes, you all should go and work. Study part time. This advice has been given by others before but always seem to be glossed over by the FCH thing.

By the time you graduate, you would have at least 3 years of work experience. That is valuable. That is realistic. That is achievable. This is respectable.

A job applicant shows me she has been working full time and continues to upgrade herself and got a 3rd class honours, i will say good job for juggling work and study.

A job applicant with nothing but an SIM degree is totally unimpressive.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 70954)

I hope some SIMians (pun intended) have taken note of this very true piece of advice. While working you get paid and may even get promoted. Once you graduate from your part time degree, suddenly you're a degree holder with 3 years of experience. SIM degree + 3 years experience is quite competitive when compared to fresh grads from local universities. There will be companies that gladly take in the one with experience.

Originally Posted by temp111 (Post 70969)

Local uni likes to look down on SIM students.

They think they big fark. What they didnt know is they are just idiots competing in this job market.

If u grad with degree 10 yrs ago, u can buy a car and condo without any problem. Your degree is high valued by employers.

Nowadays if u grad with degree, u will have problems landing urself a stable job. Let alone buy a condo plus car.

When I see those uni grad nowadays who wants to buy a car once graduate, I laugh my a** off. What noobs. Local degree is no more of high value and their value is similar to that of SIM. So stop looking down on others.