Yes. We all from MNC so we know. Some people still say diploma can take 6 sigmah. I go for 7 sigmah course and no diploma holder attend and found the senior management say 6 sigmah and above only for degree holders. All the dipl holders in my mnc are technician level at most engineer level. Will not go to M level, all stay in E only.

Yes, they don't understand that the degree is only one of the many elements that push you up. In the MNC reality, track records, reputation, connections, opportunities, EQ, work performance, communication skills, able to get things done, teamwork, problem solver, bring in the revenue on top of the hardskills honed through years of experience all play a part too. These cannot be learned and developed in school. They don't understand that your employment history makes you an alumni in the industry too.

Diploma holder with high EQ, knows the people in the industry and has a good reputation, 10 years of experience in MNCs like Micron with 2 promotions and involvement in major global projects throughout the decade from member to team manager holding lean six sigma black belt, PMP, multiple ISO internal auditor certificates.

vs

degree holder with 10 years of experience in the comfort of a GLC that places its promotion track in place without challenges.

You will see the stark difference during an interview.

Looking at the thread, we can summarize it to the following.

1. Possible for Diploma holders to excel faster than degree holder and MNCs are the ones leveraging on their talent pool on this by not limiting the potential of their talent resource.

2. If you are a fresh grad, go and get a degree because without experience, you have nothing to compete with others. And don't dream that the degree is going to make you better. because you still have to perform to get ahead.

3. The OP who resigned from the MNC because he/she cannot stand reporting to a diploma holder as a degree holder is stupid and deserves being unemployed for long.

4. Some people like to pretend to be from MNC when so obviously they are not. :D

Agree with this and would add on to point 2 that if you are a diploma grad today, go and do your degree. 3-4 years of experience would not get you ahead of that entry level a degree grad would enter

Not too sure with that. But I have seen quite a number of diploma holders doing better and a fresh degree grad couldn't match that. Years down the road, that 4 years of headstart, with plenty of professional certificates, good results, good attitude, charisma, leadership and recognition from our HQ in Germany, he became my boss forming the typical degree report to diploma holder our OP resigned from.

im sure everything is possible. but these are far and few.

I don't want to start assuming but I have seen quite a few due to the difficulties obtaining a degree in singapore during the 80s and 90s, these folks are currently in their 40s and 50s already. My boss is in his late 40s, and he is not alone. But these people tend to have some common traits. Able to take hardships, agressive and objective oriented but have high EQ and they deliver resuls on time. I worked under 1 of them, a Singaporean posted to Germany for a few years when I was attached to Germany for 6 months. He could speak good German and very good Chinese effectively linking between Germany, China and US for the Germans in Germany. I only found out during a beer session at some beer garden that he didn't do his degree because he had to support his family when he ORDed. He won his former boss's trust and worked his way up. My boss is more conventional. He was posted to China for 2 years as a senior Enginner and now he is manager. Still no degree but a MBB in 6 sigma and many other professional certs like PMP.

I guess it is their grit and resolve to perform. These traits are lacking in the youngsters we see today regardless having a degree or diploma.

wa diploma vs degree can talk so many pages

Maybe you're right... But I have seen quite a number of diploma holders doing better and a fresh degree grad couldn't match that. Years down the road, that 4 years of headstart, with plenty of professional certificates, good results, good attitude, charisma, leadership and recognition from our HQ in Germany, he became my boss forming the typical degree report to diploma holder our OP resigned from. But I want to point out to you that in an MNC, nobody goes around asking your educational level, management or not. Even HR don't keep track on that. Because it is plain stupid to do that. In Germany and USA, you get a mixture of different education background on leadership positions. But one thing that's sure is that they either have connections, a lot of experience or previous successful track records. You need to have systemic promotions based on paper qualifications in order to be 99% sure no particular paper qualification makes it to that level. And the closest one doing that is a GLC or our local stat board. In a feel good story there may be some diploma holders who will rise higher than degree holders, but if we compare like for like: a competent diploma holder against a competent degree holder; the degree holder starts with a head start if he is groomed in one of these programs, it’s like running a 100m race and he is starting 50m ahead, how fast do you think you can run? It is always about a systematic promotional system. A diploma should never surpass a degree holder so that the hierarchy is not messed up. That is why we systematically design our ranking to reward base on paper qualification over performance and the so called value. A diploma holder no matter how much faster he can run should never be given the chance to run faster than a degree holder. Resigning because OP was overtook by a diploma holder may sound extreme, but if you look at it closely sounds right. If anyone who outperforms another gets promoted, we will have a higher rank with a mixture of all sorts of qualifications. Like that what is the point of getting a degree?

We cannot compare today with 80s and 90s. I know of a consulting partner who never did his degree, this was back in the day. Today this is almost impossible because you cannot even get in without good grades and additional awards.

Na.... somethings don't change. More like today's youths too strawberry to take on hardships. So even those with a degree can't withstand the stresses at work or handle disputes and the sense of entitlement like that OP who resigned just because he has to report to a diploma holder.

Please go ahead and tell your kids not to do degrees

What part of cannot even get in do you not get? How do you work hard and overtake if you cannot even be hired?

Degree and Dip report to N Level
 

I have only N-Level. Speak broken English

I am a self-employed businessman and would employ Dip and Degree Holder to report under me.

I only have psle, all degree, diploma all suck up to me to get bonus

This is true, the point of a degree is not to get an advantage but to avoid a disadvantage. In a feel good story there may be some diploma holders who will rise higher than degree holders, but if we compare like for like: a competent diploma holder against a competent degree holder; the degree holder starts with a head start if he is groomed in one of these programs, it’s like running a 100m race and he is starting 50m ahead, how fast do you think you can run? Maybe you're right... But I have seen quite a number of diploma holders doing better and a fresh degree grad couldn't match that. Years down the road, that 4 years of headstart, with plenty of professional certificates, good results, good attitude, charisma, leadership and recognition from our HQ in Germany, he became my boss forming the typical degree report to diploma holder our OP resigned from. But I want to point out to you that in an MNC, nobody goes around asking your educational level, management or not. Even HR don't keep track on that. Because it is plain stupid to do that. In Germany and USA, you get a mixture of different education background on leadership positions. But one thing that's sure is that they either have connections, a lot of experience or previous successful track records. You need to have systemic promotions based on paper qualifications in order to be 99% sure no particular paper qualification makes it to that level. And the closest one doing that is a GLC or our local stat board. In a feel good story there may be some diploma holders who will rise higher than degree holders, but if we compare like for like: a competent diploma holder against a competent degree holder; the degree holder starts with a head start if he is groomed in one of these programs, it’s like running a 100m race and he is starting 50m ahead, how fast do you think you can run? It is always about a systematic promotional system. A diploma should never surpass a degree holder so that the hierarchy is not messed up. That is why we systematically design our ranking to reward base on paper qualification over performance and the so called value. A diploma holder no matter how much faster he can run should never be given the chance to run faster than a degree holder. Resigning because OP was overtook by a diploma holder may sound extreme, but if you look at it closely sounds right. If anyone who outperforms another gets promoted, we will have a higher rank with a mixture of all sorts of qualifications. Like that what is the point of getting a degree? Yes, they don't understand that the degree is only one of the many elements that push you up. In the MNC reality, track records, reputation, connections, opportunities, EQ, work performance, communication skills, able to get things done, teamwork, problem solver, bring in the revenue on top of the hardskills honed through years of experience all play a part too. These cannot be learned and developed in school. They don't understand that your employment history makes you an alumni in the industry too.

Diploma holder with high EQ, knows the people in the industry and has a good reputation, 10 years of experience in MNCs like Micron with 2 promotions and involvement in major global projects throughout the decade from member to team manager holding lean six sigma black belt, PMP, multiple ISO internal auditor certificates.

vs

degree holder with 10 years of experience in the comfort of a GLC that places its promotion track in place without challenges.

You will see the stark difference during an interview.

if OP wants a dip to report to him or her, please stay away from MNCs and go government. MNCs don't take your academic qualification so seriously. But, if you go government, please take note that your reporting officer can be someone younger than you and holds a degree also. the degree might not be of relevance too. If both circumstances you also cannot, can do grab? at least you manage yourself. That's because in the 60s and 70s with a less educated population, paper qualification becomes the only effective measure of competence. So this idea worked during those period. But as decades went by, information reaches the digital age, variety of education increases, industries experience shifts again and again. Paper qualifications is no longer the only method of determining competence. Professional certificates, objectives driven performance indicators, advanced efficient management of resources, competition all come into the equation. But the chronic problem of passive thinking continue to plague government sectors and Government linked companies. The act of thought deferment to the next higher rank can damage the route for continual improvement. Insularity of job security adds on top the complacency so this idea remains. That's why you often hear about people encouraging the toxic idea of accepting status quo rather than improvement, questioning diligence and innovation rather than encouraging them. The MNCs on the other hand faces real competition daily. You get ousted if you don't transform and catch up (nokia and kodak are good examples). So they are on their toes daily ready to take your market share at the slightest opportunity. Also, without the protection of a thick resource drawn from the country, every cent counts, every project matters. This drives the employees to do well and prosper or screw up and lose out. With an open market, anyone who can contribute moves up. That paper is meant to help you do better, not a guarantee to be better. If you don't have that paper, there are other avenues to meet the same objective too. Whatever it takes to meet the target. I work in a German MNC and feels OK. Was in a GLC more than 10 years ago but its ways never connected with me. The MNC pressure and pace is there. Many FTs from around the world, but the multi cultural and nationality environment also gave me exposure. I have travelled many times over the years before covid to US, Europe, China and Japan for work before. Even though I have only a Diploma, but like that poster earlier, anything goes , as long as I create value. The keyword is value add but I would also like to add a point he/she missed out, and that's the ability to recognize opportunities and use it, the willingness to be better than your competitors and have good teamwork spirit with your colleagues. I also promote people in my department base on opportunities available and their performance. Degree or not is irrelevant but specific professional certificates relevant to specific jobs will be helpful (I don't hire fresh grads) if they are able to provide what we are looking for. Who cares if you put in more effort last time. Its your effort now that counts. Even if you have no degree or diploma but you put in alot of effort to make your hiring managers life easier as compared to a degree holder, you will still be promoted. That is the way it should be. Nobody cares if you only put in effort to get that degree. In fact nobody cares about your degree once you are in the company.

I just post a question for a wfh job and all the diploma dreamers get triggered. If you want to promote, then go and get a degree. Any degree also can why so lazy. If you no degree you cannot promote because a degree holder cannot report to diploma holder otherwise the ranking will mess up. You go and look at all the GLC, where got degree holder report to diploma? So don't tell me how good you are or how much better you perform than me. If you no degree, you can't promote above me. Period. I resigned from that mnc also because how can degree holder report to diploma holder? And i got degree you want me to drive grab? You crazy or what? tell me you never work in a government agency before. LOL, I am from there and I can tell you we do have a degree reporting to a diploma, yes, the diploma will be stuck at a certain level but a degree doesn't give you a route to promotion either. better wake up your ideas huh. I hold a Master degree and I report to someone who has an irrelevant degree but so what right? and what's the big deal about degree can't drive grab? based on your attitude and mindset, how to get a job right, better to drive grab so you are in charge of yourself? The reality is, you are now jobless and stop thinking about getting a WFH job dude! Everyone will go back to the office one day. LOL! the longer you are jobless, the less bargaining power you have in your job finding. i hope the OP understands this fact. all education cert has an expiry date. i have seen degree holders been offered a job that normally gives to a diploma graduate only and the reason is simply that the degree holder has been jobless for too long and HR is not confident of that person is able to perform a job. To make it worse, if you stayed home the rest of the time and not looking or doing something like upgrading yourself, your resume usually lands in the bin. beggars can't be choosers In mnc, you don't have a 'track'. That is for GLC. Because businesses and changes are volatile in MNC. Your KPI last year changes with the global environment. Those who keep up to it gets ahead and there must be opportunities usually vacated by leaving or retiring staffs. Even mgmt trainees get asked to go before they reach their so called promised positions during difficult times or restructuring because there is simply no track. The 'gap' is dependent on value adding and opportunities available not your paper qualifications. No track was why I resigned from that mnc job. The promotion track should always be set clearly and promotions for degree holders should always be faster and higher than diploma holders regardless of their value add. So work performance should never be a factor for consideration between a degree holder or diploma holder when promoting. Degree holders should never report to diploma holders. Period. Alot of people here still subscribe to the old school of thoughts thinking a degree will give them an advantage in MNC jobs. And then sulk on public forum when they can't get in an MNC. Keep telling themselves they have a degree therefore they should be handed the MMC position. I loled

In reality the degree only gets you into your first job. After that experience counts more than a piece of paper. Connections and network get you places. Not that piece of paper. The dip holder you describe should be a master deg holder. Dip holder cannot be able to do that.
Dip holder cannot take pmp or six sigmah red belt. Only deg holder can. The ranking system will be there to control so it will not be messy. So you want to big canon also be realistic a bit lah. That's why mnc will not let dip promote faster than deg. These are some of the interesting posts on here that I think everyone should read again.

Dip holder type so long for what? Your essay writing skills are a D+ at best.

thank you for wasting 1 hour of your life writing this stupid essay, retard LOL

wow that's interesting because if OP wants a dip to report to him or her, please stay away from MNCs and go government. MNCs don't take your academic qualification so seriously. But, if you go government, please take note that your reporting officer can be someone younger than you and holds a degree also. the degree might not be of relevance too. If both circumstances you also cannot, can do grab? at least you manage yourself. That's because in the 60s and 70s with a less educated population, paper qualification becomes the only effective measure of competence. So this idea worked during those period. But as decades went by, information reaches the digital age, variety of education increases, industries experience shifts again and again. Paper qualifications is no longer the only method of determining competence. Professional certificates, objectives driven performance indicators, advanced efficient management of resources, competition all come into the equation. But the chronic problem of passive thinking continue to plague government sectors and Government linked companies. The act of thought deferment to the next higher rank can damage the route for continual improvement. Insularity of job security adds on top the complacency so this idea remains. That's why you often hear about people encouraging the toxic idea of accepting status quo rather than improvement, questioning diligence and innovation rather than encouraging them. The MNCs on the other hand faces real competition daily. You get ousted if you don't transform and catch up (nokia and kodak are good examples). So they are on their toes daily ready to take your market share at the slightest opportunity. Also, without the protection of a thick resource drawn from the country, every cent counts, every project matters. This drives the employees to do well and prosper or screw up and lose out. With an open market, anyone who can contribute moves up. That paper is meant to help you do better, not a guarantee to be better. If you don't have that paper, there are other avenues to meet the same objective too. Whatever it takes to meet the target. I work in a German MNC and feels OK. Was in a GLC more than 10 years ago but its ways never connected with me. The MNC pressure and pace is there. Many FTs from around the world, but the multi cultural and nationality environment also gave me exposure. I have travelled many times over the years before covid to US, Europe, China and Japan for work before. Even though I have only a Diploma, but like that poster earlier, anything goes , as long as I create value. The keyword is value add but I would also like to add a point he/she missed out, and that's the ability to recognize opportunities and use it, the willingness to be better than your competitors and have good teamwork spirit with your colleagues. I also promote people in my department base on opportunities available and their performance. Degree or not is irrelevant but specific professional certificates relevant to specific jobs will be helpful (I don't hire fresh grads) if they are able to provide what we are looking for. Who cares if you put in more effort last time. Its your effort now that counts. Even if you have no degree or diploma but you put in alot of effort to make your hiring managers life easier as compared to a degree holder, you will still be promoted. That is the way it should be. Nobody cares if you only put in effort to get that degree. In fact nobody cares about your degree once you are in the company.

I just post a question for a wfh job and all the diploma dreamers get triggered. If you want to promote, then go and get a degree.

can write in point form anot. write so long macam want to impress your boss. i see also i lazy read all that. i just skip to the last few lines. dont come here write essay bro. if you want to, go make a website and write whatever essay you want.

Pick any deg and dip holder, chances are that the deg holder is doing better than dip holder. If you’re a dip holder and have employees with deg under you, good for you. But more often than not it’s the other way around. Most MNCs, not to mention all Govt jobs, they prioritise having a deg, that is the reality of society today

Not true

I'm dip holder and I have 100 million dollars and degree holders report to me.

I'm also 12 years old, like most of the retards here.

So which poly, what diploma and what’s your GPA?

Got certificate of merit?

wow dip holder so smart clap clap

Degree holder here from SMU. Earning 8k now after 3 years of work in IT. Not even doing coding. Degree helps in getting hired right after graduation with near 5k pay. After that it all depends on how well you adapt to corporate rules.

Diploma holder. Run my own business, I take home around 400-500k annually

o level holder holder. earning 1mil a month.

Newborn, doctor gave 100 trillion dollars when I came out of mommys hole.