and a lot of it depends on luck, like a more senior person retiring to free up the position! Not to mention how a lot of senior people are only there in that position because they outlasted the competition who quit before them.

isn't that the same for any organisation. I can't imagine any company with more directors than executives or junior managers

The main difference is private sector has healthy attrition @15% -30% depending on industry. This allows people who know how to play politics to survive and narrow the odds as the people who lost usually resign.

Civil service and stat board attrition is at low single digits resulting in traffic jam. For eg, in pte sector someone get stuck at DD will leave after 6-8 years when he see no chance of going up, but in government the bugger will just hang on there for 20 years until retirement so the people below no chance to go up.

Yup.. Got a lot of old spiderman inside the civil service.. Climb until cannot climb already.. they can tahan to stick on the wall for the next 20years until they retire!!! Amazing!!! *applause*

I worked for a European Telecom manufacturer MNC based in singapore.

In private sector, an engineer can choose to progress his career in 2 ways. If he thinks that his core competency is in engineering and thinks that this is his interest, he can continue to grow and progress his career to become a "experts". (here I mean real specialist who associate with the R&D of the comapnies ....and not referrring to half-past-six "specialist" like those you see in SAF).

If he wants to develop his management skill somewhere along his career path, he can do so and move into technical managerial roles to progress his career as managers.

In either ways, your job grades and salary can grow if you perform and excel in your roles well. Hence, in my company, you might have a situation in which you are the manager and manage a team of specialist who earns so much than you, simply for the reason that his skill in his chosen area is highly valued by the company.

Upgrade of CEP
 

Anyone ever got this before? I assume you would know if your Dir/CEO intends to upgrade your CEP.

I assume they usually upgrade one grade? E.g. if you are MX10 CEP currently, they will upgrade to an MX9? Is that the norm?

How would you know if your upgrade is successful?

Change of CEP when switching jobs across ministries
 

If a civil servant decides to switch jobs across ministries, will his new boss have access to his previous job's CEP and just use it from there? Or will there be a clean slate assessment of his CEP for his new job?

Bumping up this thread! Anyone has an idea? Quite interested to know too

what is the normal CEP for non-scholar graduates in civil service?

grade 10? i heard grade 9 CEP is also very common

For those in the civil service and still interested the CEP game, a phrase that i heard from bosses for sharing (edited).

"
If you think you should be of a CEP grade of XYZ, then you must show some evidence that you can carry the CEP grade of XYZ today "

If you can do some aspects of the work that is delegated downwards by higher ranking officers competently, it shows evidence that you can hold the higher rank.

Naturally scholars who are being groomed gets more exposure and opportunities to prove that they should have higher CEPs than non-scholars.

Can summarise? Is it just one sentence, need carry the right balls?

If I have been informed by my supervisor that my CEP has been raised, does that means that my promotion is ard the corner soon?

Been in civil service for 3 yrs.

First yr is default 'C' coz less than 1 year.

I receive a 'B' grading for 2nd and 3rd year in service which means 2 'B's in 2 consecutive years.

Any kind souls willing to advice?

Which MX grade are you in? How old are you? NS? If you have two Bs in a row, it generally means that promotion is just around the corner.

I am a Div II worker. Poly grad with NS. Is there a set of criteria for promotion?

I'm only aware of the promotion criteria for MX. Not sure about the diploma scheme. For the mx scheme, usually 2 Bs + meet the CEP requirement, would mean that promotion is round the corner.

Promotion ard the corner means this upcoming promotion exercise in June?

2 Bs meeting the CEP requirement - very likely.
Promotion around the corner - most likely as well

Got 2 Bs in MX scheme, got promoted this year.

Promotion exercise for Div 2 and below officers in June.

So did u get a letter informing of ur promotion or ur boss inform u verbally?

So did u get a letter informing of ur promotion or ur boss inform u verbally?

Just curious, does a B = mediocre? So 2 years of mediocrity can get promotion?

C is the norm grade. Go figure whether B is mediocre or not.

Verbal as well as boss email.

Anyone knows if it's common to get promoted from MX12 to MX11 after a year of joining, joined in Jan 2018, non fresh grad
What are the criteria for promotion? Get a B and above?

Also does CEP really get reviewed at the end of the appraisal cycle? Or it's actually very difficult to change from the day you enter to civil service

If one's department's promotion exercise is in June, i.e. promotion takes effect in June, what is the usual timeline for one's promotion to be set in stone?

Or is promotion already deliberated and decided together with the officer's PB grading?

Thank you in advance!

At my agency, the ranking and people to promote is decided by Oct/Nov. The appraisal exercise in Jan is merely going thru motion and whatever the supervisor or boss say is just lip service. We are only informed of our perf bonus in April which will indicate whether we r promoted or not.

Food for thoughts on HR practices...

It is shocking to learn that civil service still allow such discriminatory practices. What happened to all that talk about meritocracy? Age is just a number. If someone proved he is better, he should deserve a higher ranking.

When I hit 40, interviwers were outright saying younger staff preferred and that’s in civil service.

This is reality.

I am informed that my CEP is 8. Is that low or high or average. There are people with 7.

Appointed at MX11 . First civil service job.
30yrs old

What is my CEP?

Likely 9H (lowest among the super-scale grade).

Got to work yourself up. Or rather, work your CEP up.

Thanks for your estimate! Another newbie question I'm gonna ask. Other than MX9H, what are the other alphabets?

I didn't know within mx9 itself, there are different levels also

Merit increment was out last night.

MI is not dependent on CEP. It is a standard rate (5%) across everyone of my grade (10).

For grades 11 and 12, I understand that it is a fixed quantum (either 2XX or 3XX) instead of a fixed rate.

I'm appointed MX12 with about 700+ to ceilling, is my first civil service job.

Currently 33yrs old, with NS, graduated overseas with a pass degree and a masters

worked 8 year at related fields

What is my likely CEP?

Either 11A or 10 if u r lucky. I don't think it is a 9

Since u are 700 off the ceiling, u will probably be promoted in around 3 years. But bbe prepared to henta kaki at 11 for a number of years. What's next depends on your performance liao.

i think MX10 the salary quite ok for me already, why 11A?

a colleague of mine moved from mx11 to mx11a in 2 years. so it may not take so long.

Annual
14+1.5PB 14.5+1.5PB
Salary Year Age 15.5 16
5200.00 4.0% 2019 34 80600.00 83200.00
5408.00 MX12 2020 35 83824.00 86528.00
5624.32 2021 36 87176.96 89989.12
5849.29 MX11 2022 37 90664.04 93588.68
6083.26 2023 38 94290.60 97332.23
6326.60 2024 39 98062.22 101225.52
6579.66 2025 40 101984.71 105274.54
6842.85 MX11a 2026 41 106064.10 109485.52
7116.56 2027 42 110306.67 113864.94
7401.22 2028 43 114718.93 118419.54
7697.27 2029 44 119307.69 123156.32
8005.16 2030 45 124080.00 128082.58
8325.37 2031 46 129043.20 133205.88

I did a random calculation, I assumed a 4% annual increment and assumed no promotion increment. At 46, earning almost 130k/year, i think not too bad already..