Rumours were already spreading on hiring freeze, but the contract renewal is the stuff that came unexpected. Dont expect D and above to be commenting here unlike the IMDA thread

Was waiting for u to ask le...but didnt even see u anywhere but smiling through the staff con

I more interested in the website by the PS lei. Tried to find but can't find

out of 4000+, how many staffs are on Contract?

I think services may have higher chance to get renew

Govtechies like GDS ace, what are they doing? Why we need them? And the last guy on chatbot. Been doing chatbot for so long but what's the end product? Not impressive like vica

So these have to go.

Even PS said, got custom gpt. Why we even need a team for software engineer to code from scratch?

Build vs subscribe

Cannot la. Might tio marked. Just want live peaceful life, lie flat sua le

I know I'm not affected cause I know I contributed back. And it's evident

U can email him and ask

PS also said, if pod dont get back to him ( one of the guy asked where to find online materials lol) let him know

Dont have such big ears to receive such news lei..

Didn't know got hiring freeze.

Firing is good. Healthy for the organization Anyways

I thought we’re on freeze? Why are we still hiring people through employment agencies. Contradicting. Isn’t it about cost cutting.

I believe u are referring to augmented resources or should be known as third party.

Which in context is different...

PS's system was just class homework that is not publicly accessible.

The contract staff coming in now were made offers, that continue to be honoured. It's got nothing to do with cost cutting: it's about staying within allocated headcount. Nobody is being fired. But everyone must upskill and be prepared to redeploy.

I find VICA good, and getting even better with 2.0. It's well-implemented on GovTech's website.

VICA is a joke in 1.0 (That it's even known publicly when it's rolled out in agencies internet website). 2.0 is still a joke at the current stage, and you are better off searching by keyword on the search bar.

If VICA 2.0 cant perform better in internet agencies site than the intranet due to multiple reasons, especially when the public will have much higher expectations if Govtech releases how they work, it's going to continue to be a meme down the years.

As much as I want to go into details on why it's still crap based on how I guess it works in 2.0. Too bad this is still a public forum.

Citigroup cuts over 300 senior manager roles in latest restructuring

No lol. Vica sucks ass. And I wonder why they still put resources developing the bot. Just streamline or subscribe to chatbot already

citigrp and govt tech got links ah?

Anyone receive contract renewal after govtech con?

Is it the Thomas guy?

I only know GDS ace got impacted. But honestly, I dont know what contributions they did tbh

Huh Ace Dom is contract staff?!

why mostly GDS ace impacted?

Hearsay the ex indeed peeps are on contract, not full time

That's why they stop posting job ads to take them in ma

Lol few pages ago already talking abt the VR layoff liao. That one more interesting than some old boring bank.

Surprisingly no one from SVC went to question for Govtechcon? Are most of them on perm so they are not affected by this? That would be surprising considering they are the largest division.

I hope when CE said freeze hiring, he meant for all. I overheard some people saying that Corporate is unaffected.

SVC's headcount is given by Agencies not created out of nowhere from HQ, if really no replacement means agencies will take back the headcount....

Hi I just got an offer as a Deputy Director in GDS after getting retrenched from Citigroup. Still waiting for my other colleagues to join me too.

Going to be first time working in public sector, how's the working culture there? Is drinking sessions on Friday commonplace?

Stupid troll fake post. Please do everyone a service and resign. You don't deserve to be here.

sure or not
so heng ah u?

Confirm troll from GDS lah. You got better chance of trolling if u say u are joining as DCE as critical role

Even if they are on contract, they just joined and has 1 or 2 year period

Govt Tech haven't kee chia?

I think you guys are right. It seems like Services Group is not as affected. Almost all the internal job postings have been removed except for a few that are roles from the Services Group.

SVC actually contributes at least 60% of the MMF for GT, I heard usually those unfilled post, they will sort of “t loan” first to fill other HQ or products post since once transferred in, it is in a common pool….

Guys, this only proves that we at services generate profit to keep the company afloat

Without services why do we need GDS la, ogp la. Without services, where got demand for CSG.

So that's why GDS must be first to let go. They really eat up the headcount and profit

To add on, why we need so many software engineer. Why do we need to build in-house unless its CII and SII.

Thats why they all scared when the news broke out

Just get these folks such as ncs or accenture and sit down and develop

LOL SVC already tio slapped so many times during the govtechcon on the failures. You guys still think outsourcing is the solution? Might as well revert to IDA times where all the project managers are clearly not technically capable.

Talk is cheap, you kee chiu come to SVC and work 6 mths - 1 year full time then say..

You really think so easy to manage all 50+ agencies like peanuts? It’s not just a few agile squads or a group of engineers could changes in matters of weeks or months..

mistakes are bound to happen given SVC are half of GT.

Anyways, ABC, we work as a team as we need each others.

Too slap but at least we own up to it.

Say what collaboration with GDS la, seek help la. Think services dont do that? Its just those GDS or ogp folks dont even help when asked for it

Still focus on doing their own stuff

Get your own engineering capabilities.

The idea that everything must be WOG/use WOG tech stack has to be struck off, even if it goes against central mandate. If the WOG tech stack fits your purpose, feel free to use it. But most of the time, use your SWE capabilities to integrate the commercial SAAS would be the better option (Not going to elaborate why WOG tech stack is shitty). Integrate commercial -> Build -> WOG Tech stack as the priority I would have gone with.

Dont bog down your SWE with "agile". The agile that GT practices is totally bull. This is not the army where we have ceremonies and parades every day. You dont need 1 BA + 1 PM + 1 SM + 1 DM + 1 EM for 1 SWE. Let your SWE own (and be accountable) for the process. Just get 1 PM / BA to handle all the administrative stuff (Staffing etc).

Start with small wins, and accelerate towards the larger agency projects. Once you are able to do that and showcase it, SVC wont be the butt of the joke when it comes to tech level in GT(And public), and with time, you can prove that you do not need a large GDS when agencies are able to be self sufficient.

SVC already has their hands filled with "keeping the lights on". But when they do it by outsourcing everything, and their core team are just managers, you are not going to have any tech capabilities other than paperwork. And even if one day the entire GDS goes under SVC, most of the GDS would have quit due to the tech incompetency of their SVC managers.

There are thousands of government projects; even if you switch every single GovTechie into software engineers, there still won't be enough manpower to develop, deliver, and maintain every single government project, and this is the main reason why the majority of government projects are outsourced.

Agencies did build their own engineering capabilities, and the two largest groups are METEOR/WINS from MOM and ESTL from MOE, which are both moved into GDS after the previous reorg.

If you feel that the SG Tech Stack products are not useful, then perhaps you can give them feedback and help them improve. Most of the products in the SG Tech Stack are developed and maintained by the GDS team. If they are as useless as you think, then a significant group of people from GDS should be let go, right?

Yeah, Agile practices are total ********. We should just let go of all the delivery managers and agile coaches from GDS, right?

How can we let people who do not have the technical knowledge and skills of software engineers work at Govtech? We should send all non-technical DM, UXD, Assistant Directors, and Deputy Directors to a mandatory 1-year program where they learn programming, data structure and algorithms, database management, full stack development, networking, computer architecture, system architecture, and cyber security before they are allowed to come back to work for the superior GDS, right?

Most of GDS is going to leave because of non-technical reporting officers. We should fire all the non-technical reporting officers in GDS, which is the majority, right?