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18-04-2016 06:30 PM
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I did some thinking in my career. Thank you!

For semicon, yes they are moving back to China but do they also shift their engineers to China as well?
I have a Malay friend got transfer to.China and got prompted. Please kindly verify it.

For the contractor, may I know what is system integrator? The manager told.me I will be a web master which deal with paper work and minutes of meeting which I thought no progression.

Cyber wise, yes it's gonna be tough and tough as hell. I tool related courses in my degree and I did cyber project also.Exammine thousands of lines of code is not funny. Get certed is also mentaly tough as well. But I think my friends in BB companies are also fighting to be the best.

Hope you can answer these questions:
1) Will semicon move their engineers to China and if so will engineers be prompted?
2) What is system integrator? Is it some role with paper work and book meeting rooms?

Thanks.
Yes, they will move their engineers to China and they will be prompted.

A webmaster need to do paperwork and writing minutes. This sounds exactly like a junior marketing executive job. Hello, please change the image on this website. Then you click click click on the CMS. You can look up systems integrator on wikipedia, but really, being a systems integrator or working in a systems integrator company in Singapore is the lowest end job.
18-04-2016 05:36 PM
Unregistered What's all this talk about making >$10k after 5 years when you haven't even start work?

Focus on the job you like and just go in and learn. Keep talking about big picture like semicon industry, banking or some obscure goal of wanting to make $X after X years is simply unproductive and not going to help you in anyway.

Focus on learning and networking and take all the salaries quoted here with a pinch of salt. They are like top 5% and definitely not a good way to look at things when you haven't even got 1 day of work experience.
18-04-2016 05:27 PM
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It depends, say if you are 22 years old now and you join in a BB in a MAP program, in 3 years you will be associate and 2 years later you will be senior associate (some banks call associate II). I think by age 28 you will be a kind of middle between associate II and AVP.

Paywise, local bank low salary but with bonus and insentive plan. That can stack quite a lot! Foreign banks giant pay but not much bonus. I worked in BB so I can safely estimate if you will get S$ 10,000 to S$12,000 per month when you turn 30 and fortunately you are not sacked.

I think bank people may have the pride that they are bankers and I agree that they are reluctant to work for 50% less(nobody is willing to work for 50% less, right?)
But don't worry for them, they are definitely best of the best. Even if they are sacked, there will be numerous headhunters chasing them to offer them another big bucks.

A little sharing from a fresh grad. haha
Thanks for sharing. But what I was getting at is the banker earning $10k - $13k when he's late 20's AND got sacked. Say market forces, one massive bad trade.

Then finance in the doldrums, like Asian equities just aren't traded, this guy could probably NOT find a job that paid that much in the next year plus. How long are market cycles right?

They also won't take a 50% cut for his next job which probably isn't banking. If he does, he unhappy everyday.

Compare this with someone say making $7k, got fired, but then took a job for $6k. It's psychological but this guy won't be affected that badly because he isn't taking that big of a discount.
18-04-2016 05:19 PM
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Interesting story. Were you one of those guys flying high earning $13k / month by age 28 but had to settled for a job that pays less when you lost your job? I only say because you said "banks dump you"?

Don't mind me asking? How you cope? I heard of stories that once you earn that much, you probable will NEVER work at 50% of what you were paid before, even if that means remaining jobless.
It depends, say if you are 22 years old now and you join in a BB in a MAP program, in 3 years you will be associate and 2 years later you will be senior associate (some banks call associate II). I think by age 28 you will be a kind of middle between associate II and AVP.

Paywise, local bank low salary but with bonus and insentive plan. That can stack quite a lot! Foreign banks giant pay but not much bonus. I worked in BB so I can safely estimate if you will get S$ 10,000 to S$12,000 per month when you turn 30 and fortunately you are not sacked.

I think bank people may have the pride that they are bankers and I agree that they are reluctant to work for 50% less(nobody is willing to work for 50% less, right?)
But don't worry for them, they are definitely best of the best. Even if they are sacked, there will be numerous headhunters chasing them to offer them another big bucks.

A little sharing from a fresh grad. haha
18-04-2016 05:04 PM
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Thanks!

Well , I apologize to that dude also as I lost my temper...

I was once the so called high flyer among my peers, interned at Buldge Bracket companies, with all the fancy CCA stuff. But that was years ago..

But when banks dumps you, when you CCA title ends, it's time for me to think about my career. After all not everyone can be high flyers forever. Even if u inside bb such as JPM or Goldman, you still have a chance of being sacked.

I think it's best to have a prospect job in a prospect company.
But I think right now I can only choose one of it.
Interesting story. Were you one of those guys flying high earning $13k / month by age 28 but had to settled for a job that pays less when you lost your job? I only say because you said "banks dump you"?

Don't mind me asking? How you cope? I heard of stories that once you earn that much, you probable will NEVER work at 50% of what you were paid before, even if that means remaining jobless.
18-04-2016 05:02 PM
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Very possible with bonuses - Just focus on being very competent in cyber security issues. I think it's a niche industry that is booming. Good luck!
Thanks! I will try my best in this field.

Wish you the best of your life as well!
18-04-2016 04:49 PM
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i can see that you did think through on your choices.


Do avoid semi conductor companies. The jobs are going to China.

As for Level 3 engineer, this sounds like a systems integrator offering you a job rather than the bank directly hire you. Where got fresh grad (even an FCH) go direct to level 3 one? As a level 3, there is no guidance from anyone. You are supposed to be the highest level of support liao. If you dunno how to fix, means cannot fix. There is nobody to teach you. Only those systems integrator will hire you as level 3 straight. And our SIs are really low standard one.

As for cyber security the field is very hot now and will explode in the future. Security is hard. If you have taken any security modules before, you will know just how much you dunno. With the Internet of Things industry exploding due to enablers such as the Raspberry Pi, a lot more security experts are needed but the supply is very low as it is too intellectually difficult and tedious. Trawling through thousands of lines of log records is not fun. But your company is very important. If it is yet another Systems Integrator such as Cisco, you have to run as far as you can.
I did some thinking in my career. Thank you!

For semicon, yes they are moving back to China but do they also shift their engineers to China as well?
I have a Malay friend got transfer to.China and got prompted. Please kindly verify it.

For the contractor, may I know what is system integrator? The manager told.me I will be a web master which deal with paper work and minutes of meeting which I thought no progression.

Cyber wise, yes it's gonna be tough and tough as hell. I tool related courses in my degree and I did cyber project also.Exammine thousands of lines of code is not funny. Get certed is also mentaly tough as well. But I think my friends in BB companies are also fighting to be the best.

Hope you can answer these questions:
1) Will semicon move their engineers to China and if so will engineers be prompted?
2) What is system integrator? Is it some role with paper work and book meeting rooms?

Thanks.
18-04-2016 04:43 PM
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As all these ppl suggest, I should go to cyber offer.

I start as a pentester and I will definitely work hard. Plus I will get a master degree in three to four years time.

My goal is in 5-6 years time, I want to make S$10,000 per month everything included.
Is that possible?
Very possible with bonuses - Just focus on being very competent in cyber security issues. I think it's a niche industry that is booming. Good luck!
18-04-2016 04:33 PM
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dun anyhow spread fear if u dunno the industry. many cyber security experts are being paid in excess 20k after they get the relevant exp. this is a booming industry better than most others.
As all these ppl suggest, I should go to cyber offer.

I start as a pentester and I will definitely work hard. Plus I will get a master degree in three to four years time.

My goal is in 5-6 years time, I want to make S$10,000 per month everything included.
Is that possible?
18-04-2016 04:28 PM
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I think one should be cautious and not make career decisions based on generalizations of the hottest hype. Semicon, IT, e-commerce, bio science were all hot for a period of time as well, but reality is most people in these industries are suffering a few years later.

In fact certain areas of cybersecurity like vulnerability assessment, system requirements planning and network management are already cooling down due to too much competition and VC pump and dump into non-profitable markets. 2016 is gonna get worse as enterprises pull back and corporate budgets get cut. The only sustaining part left is in public infrastructure now.
I will be a pentester and I probably plan to pursue a master in three or four years time. My degree doesnt cover much in cyber.
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